RE: Re[4]: [Dev-C++] [q] Does C++ promote bad programming?

[Ioannis V. <iv...@at...>]

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> Avoiding pointers with C++ is hard thing, without dynamic storage and
> dynamic object generation (long lasting) programs are not so
> interesting...


Java on the other hand uses pointers only.


> and what is more important C++ is hard becouse it mades
> not boundary checking


?


> - it's because it aims for speed... and using
> std::vector at an introductory course is neither good thing... at very
> beginning you might be foced to answer what is std, namespace, vector,
> template etc... this is all very confusing at the begining, and
> without that people have many problems with programs in C++/C crushing
> because some memory was written where it shouldn't


No, you seem to miss all the safety C++ provides. If you want range =
checked
access to vector you can use vector::at(). With C++ very safe, =
bullef-proof
code can be written, simply by using the standard library facilities and
avoiding the use of low level stuff, direct memory =
allocation/deallocation,
casts, macros, void *s.



> - Java at first
> such attempt stops!


:) Java merely is a subset of C++ possibilites. Which is not necessarily
bad.


> Which, for beginners to OOP is very important!


In C++ one can learn whatever he needs to learn.=20



> This forces good habbits as cerufully checking where last iterations
> of loops will be writing to and many others... I'm talking here from
> my point of view - my road to OOP was like this:
> Basic (not even on PC class)
> C
> C++ and Java (at studies teachers somehow decided to combine=20
> these two)
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> and now I stick to C++ (with every aspect it offers - OOP, exceptions,
> multithreading [this is more OS dependent, I know]) but I must say
> that (for me) learning Java was a very good thing - at the time I
> thought I shouldn't be doing that! I thought on high level programming
> language is more than enough! But from this point of view, from
> current time, I must say it was very usefull experience... All right,
> stop chatting, last thing - Java is not JUST simple, it also makes
> things simple... it is not only web directed, you can make web applets
> in it very easly, but you can make programs that have NOTHING to do
> with web... I don't use it because it is interpreted so not nearly as
> fast as C++... Java is good for small programs that have to be run on
> many platforms, but for big projects that need to be very fast...


Myself I do not like Java (I am using the most soft words). There are =
many
reasons, but I do not want to begin a flame now. :) An interesting URL =
to
check is:

http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html



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> That's what I thing - IMO Java is very good start...


On the other hand I believe it is one of the worst (knowing at the same =
time
that there are many that disagree with me).




Ioannis Vranos
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