Re[4]: [Dev-C++] [q] Does C++ promote bad programming?

[Zodiaq <zo...@ac...>]

Hello iad929 and all Dev-C++ users,

Saturday, April 5, 2003, 11:18:48 PM, iad929 wrote as follows:

i> I little disagree with you here. C++ can be used for an introductory course
i> with avoiding pointers. Java is simple but it is web directed.

Avoiding pointers with C++ is hard thing, without dynamic storage and
dynamic object generation (long lasting) programs are not so
interesting... and what is more important C++ is hard becouse it mades
not boundary checking - it's because it aims for speed... and using
std::vector at an introductory course is neither good thing... at very
beginning you might be foced to answer what is std, namespace, vector,
template etc... this is all very confusing at the begining, and
without that people have many problems with programs in C++/C crushing
because some memory was written where it shouldn't - Java at first
such attempt stops! Which, for beginners to OOP is very important!
This forces good habbits as cerufully checking where last iterations
of loops will be writing to and many others... I'm talking here from
my point of view - my road to OOP was like this:
Basic (not even on PC class)
C
C++ and Java (at studies teachers somehow decided to combine these two)

and now I stick to C++ (with every aspect it offers - OOP, exceptions,
multithreading [this is more OS dependent, I know]) but I must say
that (for me) learning Java was a very good thing - at the time I
thought I shouldn't be doing that! I thought on high level programming
language is more than enough! But from this point of view, from
current time, I must say it was very usefull experience... All right,
stop chatting, last thing - Java is not JUST simple, it also makes
things simple... it is not only web directed, you can make web applets
in it very easly, but you can make programs that have NOTHING to do
with web... I don't use it because it is interpreted so not nearly as
fast as C++... Java is good for small programs that have to be run on
many platforms, but for big projects that need to be very fast...

That's what I thing - IMO Java is very good start...

i> Mohammed

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regards, Zodiaq