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[Dev-C++] Keep cool...

[Pierre R. <pie...@wa...>]

Hello,

> From: "Santiago" <sa...@ho...>
> To: "Khalid El-Kary" <kha...@ho...>,
> 	<Dev...@li...>
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:33:06 -0500
>
[...]=20
>So you could say that Americans have the best
> access to WORLD information, better than any other country (I=20
> know you might hate that, it's REALITY).

Already answered.

> Again, i don't know where you are but if in your
> country 2+2=3D5,=20

Oh, oh, not very kind, whatever country it may be.

> then I'll understabd why you say Saddam is peaceful.=20

And the conclusion is de facto weak and unfair.

> It all
> comes down to the USA being the best and powerful country in the=20
> world where
> lots of things you enjoy were invented, including computers,computer
> programming, and C++.=20

Some facts about computer:
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) and the calculating machine
- Charles Babbage (1792-1871) and the analytical engine (George and =
Edward Scheutz, 1853)=20
- Konrad Zuse (1910-1995) and the Z1 (1936), Z2 (1939)  and Z3 (1941) =
machines

Some facts about computer programming, think about:
- Abu Ja'far Mohammed ibn M=FBs=E2 al-Khow=E2rizm (IXth)
- Ada Byron (1815-1852)
- Alan Turing (1912-1954)
- etc.

Some facts about C++:=20
- Bjarne Stroustrup isn't an American native, even if he lives in USA =
and works for an Amercican company (I don't know if he's an USA =
naturalized), cf. http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bio.html
- it's an ISO standard, with "I" for International, not "American"

What I mean is only: things are not so simple. Good ones things, =
people... on one (American ?) side, bad ones on the other. The world is =
a rainbow, and a long story. I wish it will not become a flat monochrome =
picture.

> So I also understand that it's human nature to hate
> the BEST regardless of the facts. But at the end you and everyone=20
> else will
> still want to be like the best.

BEST, bEst, besT, BEsT, be.........st, etc. I would like to know what =
you mean by "best". Have you any definition? criteria?

Anyway, how do you know what the other persons want, think, feel, =
like...? Ok, the world is a little village, but... as far as I know, not =
all the American ones think the same thing on every point. So I let you =
imagine about the world ones.

> Saddam is evil and must go very soon and any other evil county MUST =
until
> there's no more crazy fanatic regimes threating this blessed land!

So, so, so, who's the next on the list: Iran, North Korea, ... and =
Libya, Syria, Sudan, Pakistan... May be Turkey, France, Germany, Russia =
and China? Muhhh, may I know the criteria to be on the good side? We are =
"rational" people, we should be able to state these criteria, shouldn't =
we?=20
Nota: can we agree that
- name of people's God=20
- skin color
- GNP
- number of computers per person
- number and power of atomic bombs
- number and range of missiles
- etc.
are not very good criteria?

Ok, and what about Dev-Cpp?

Regards

Pierre

Re: [Dev-C++] Keep cool...

[Theo V. <bar...@ya...>]

 
 Pierre Raoul <pie...@wa...> wrote:
Hello,

> From: "Santiago" 
> To: "Khalid El-Kary" ,
> 
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:33:06 -0500
>
[...] 
>So you could say that Americans have the best
> access to WORLD information, better than any other country (I 
> know you might hate that, it's REALITY).

Already answered.

> Again, i don't know where you are but if in your
> country 2+2=5, 

Oh, oh, not very kind, whatever country it may be.

> then I'll understabd why you say Saddam is peaceful. 

And the conclusion is de facto weak and unfair.

> It all
> comes down to the USA being the best and powerful country in the 
> world where
> lots of things you enjoy were invented, including computers,computer
> programming, and C++. 

Some facts about computer:
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) and the calculating machine
- Charles Babbage (1792-1871) and the analytical engine (George and Edward Scheutz, 1853) 
- Konrad Zuse (1910-1995) and the Z1 (1936), Z2 (1939) and Z3 (1941) machines

Some facts about computer programming, think about:
- Abu Ja'far Mohammed ibn Mûsâ al-Khowârizm (IXth)
- Ada Byron (1815-1852)
- Alan Turing (1912-1954)
- etc.

Some facts about C++: 
- Bjarne Stroustrup isn't an American native, even if he lives in USA and works for an Amercican company (I don't know if he's an USA naturalized), cf. http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bio.html
- it's an ISO standard, with "I" for International, not "American"

What I mean is only: things are not so simple. Good ones things, people... on one (American ?) side, bad ones on the other. The world is a rainbow, and a long story. I wish it will not become a flat monochrome picture.

> So I also understand that it's human nature to hate
> the BEST regardless of the facts. But at the end you and everyone 
> else will
> still want to be like the best.

BEST, bEst, besT, BEsT, be.........st, etc. I would like to know what you mean by "best". Have you any definition? criteria?

Anyway, how do you know what the other persons want, think, feel, like...? Ok, the world is a little village, but... as far as I know, not all the American ones think the same thing on every point. So I let you imagine about the world ones.

> Saddam is evil and must go very soon and any other evil county MUST until
> there's no more crazy fanatic regimes threating this blessed land!

So, so, so, who's the next on the list: Iran, North Korea, ... and Libya, Syria, Sudan, Pakistan... May be Turkey, France, Germany, Russia and China? Muhhh, may I know the criteria to be on the good side? We are "rational" people, we should be able to state these criteria, shouldn't we? 
Nota: can we agree that
- name of people's God 
- skin color
- GNP
- number of computers per person
- number and power of atomic bombs
- number and range of missiles
- etc.
are not very good criteria?

Ok, and what about Dev-Cpp?

Regards

Pierre



----------------

I couldnt agree with you more man. 

Now we must remember that there are forums where everybody can talk about such things. This mailing list is about programming and dev-cpp so i think that it would be better if the next time i checked my email i didn't find 30 or so emails from people arguing about war, a thing where no side is right or wrong.

Peace,

Theo Vasiloudis



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Re: [Dev-C++] Keep cool...

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

Firstable, the US is a very young country, so please talk to me about =
the last 50 years. Then you could tell me why it all became mainstream =
here. That should be very easy. Just that question.=20
By the way no C++, then no Dev C++. i.e. Bjarne is not American, but =
where did he go for his ideas to become mainstream and why? That's my =
point.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Theo Vassiloudis=20
  To: Dev...@li...=20
  Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Keep cool...


  =20

   Pierre Raoul <pie...@wa...> wrote:=20

    Hello,

    > From: "Santiago"=20
    > To: "Khalid El-Kary" ,
    >=20
    > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!
    > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:33:06 -0500
    >
    [...]=20
    >So you could say that Americans have the best
    > access to WORLD information, better than any other country (I=20
    > know you might hate that, it's REALITY).

    Already answered.

    > Again, i don't know where you are but if in your
    > country 2+2=3D5,=20

    Oh, oh, not very kind, whatever country it may be.

    > then I'll understabd why you say Saddam is peaceful.=20

    And the conclusion is de facto weak and unfair.

    > It all
    > comes down to the USA being the best and powerful country in the=20
    > world where
    > lots of things you enjoy were invented, including =
computers,computer
    > programming, and C++.=20

    Some facts about computer:
    - Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) and the calculating machine
    - Charles Babbage (1792-1871) and the analytical engine (George and =
Edward Scheutz, 1853)=20
    - Konrad Zuse (1910-1995) and the Z1 (1936), Z2 (1939) and Z3 (1941) =
machines

    Some facts about computer programming, think about:
    - Abu Ja'far Mohammed ibn M=FBs=E2 al-Khow=E2rizm (IXth)
    - Ada Byron (1815-1852)
    - Alan Turing (1912-1954)
    - etc.

    Some facts about C++:=20
    - Bjarne Stroustrup isn't an American native, even if he lives in =
USA and works for an Amercican company (I don't know if he's an USA =
naturalized), cf. http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bio.html
    - it's an ISO standard, with "I" for International, not "American"

    What I mean is only: things are not so simple. Good ones things, =
people... on one (American ?) side, bad ones on the other. The world is =
a rainbow, and a long story. I wish it will not become a flat monochrome =
picture.

    > So I also understand that it's human nature to hate
    > the BEST regardless of the facts. But at the end you and everyone=20
    > else will
    > still want to be like the best.

    BEST, bEst, besT, BEsT, be.........st, etc. I would like to know =
what you mean by "best". Have you any definition? criteria?

    Anyway, how do you know what the other persons want, think, feel, =
like...? Ok, the world is a little village, but... as far as I know, not =
all the American ones think the same thing on every point. So I let you =
imagine about the world ones.

    > Saddam is evil and must go very soon and any other evil county =
MUST until
    > there's no more crazy fanatic regimes threating this blessed land!

    So, so, so, who's the next on the list: Iran, North Korea, ... and =
Libya, Syria, Sudan, Pakistan... May be Turkey, France, Germany, Russia =
and China? Muhhh, may I know the criteria to be on the good side? We are =
"rational" people, we should be able to state these criteria, shouldn't =
we?=20
    Nota: can we agree that
    - name of people's God=20
    - skin color
    - GNP
    - number of computers per person
    - number and power of atomic bombs
    - number and range of missiles
    - etc.
    are not very good criteria?

    Ok, and what about Dev-Cpp?

    Regards

    Pierre



    ----------------

    I couldnt agree with you more man.=20

    Now we must remember that there are forums where everybody can talk =
about such things. This mailing list is about programming and dev-cpp so =
i think that it would be better if the next time i checked my email i =
didn't find 30 or so emails from people arguing about war, a thing where =
no side is right or wrong.

    Peace,

    Theo Vasiloudis





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