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From: David M. <dem...@uw...> - 2003-05-08 03:14:42
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I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least. The bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered this graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384MB of RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't exactly call that a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why does having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the screen aid my computing experiance? :\ At 09:20 AM 07/05/2003 -0400, David Matthews wrote: >Zodiaq wrote: >> IMO these infos about upcoming new windows are very useful... I know >> what to suspect (generally) from next windows, and (if necessary) take >> some steps in my programming... > >Microsoft's "fishnet" is working well indeed... > >-- >Greets, > Bal=E1zs > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara >The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions >www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > |
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From: Samuel K. <ib...@ly...> - 2003-05-09 00:40:05
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So what does all this mean to open source? If they are making a new windows sdk that has special license restrictions, will that phase minGW and other's ability to make compilers that can compile code for the next OS generation? ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@at...> - 2003-05-09 14:36:19
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li... > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > Of Samuel Keding > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:42 PM > To: dev...@li... > Subject: [Dev-C++] Re: Longhorn > > > So what does all this mean to open source? If they are making > a new windows sdk that has special license restrictions, will > that phase minGW and other's ability to make compilers that > can compile code for the next OS generation? I do not know about license stuff, but what I do know is that the main .NET engine (CLI) which is the virtual machine mechanism, together with its assemby language are standardised by ECMA. This had as a result the open source Mono: http://www.go-mono.org/ Microsoft had the intention recently to apply for patents for its library. If the library is not available in the terms that Win32 is, one can create his own library. But I wouldn't understand why the .NET SDK would not be available in the terms that Win32 API is. Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net |
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From: iad929 <ia...@jo...> - 2003-05-08 03:40:12
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To add something, This new version of Windows will be called Trusted Windows. Mohammed ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Matthews" <dem...@uw...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least. The bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered this graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384MB of RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't exactly call that a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why does having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the screen aid my computing experiance? :\ At 09:20 AM 07/05/2003 -0400, David Matthews wrote: >Zodiaq wrote: >> IMO these infos about upcoming new windows are very useful... I know >> what to suspect (generally) from next windows, and (if necessary) take >> some steps in my programming... > >Microsoft's "fishnet" is working well indeed... > >-- >Greets, > Balázs > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara >The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions >www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@at...> - 2003-05-08 11:01:08
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li...=20 > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of iad929 > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:12 AM > To: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn >=20 >=20 > To add something, This new version of Windows will be called Trusted > Windows. That's Palladium (Trustworthy Computing) , not Longhorn (which will be included in Longhorn). Palladium is a safe execution environment. The software will run in safe and unsafe mode. "But future Windows versions promise to be even more exciting. The next major desktop Windows release, code-named Longhorn, is due in 2005 and = will include Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing (Palladium) architectural = changes, as well as a new 3D video-driven user interface and a SQL Server-based = file system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS). The next Windows Server release, code-named Blackcomb, will likely ship a few years after = Longhorn." Ioannis Vranos =20 * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net |
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From: Per W. <pw...@ia...> - 2003-05-08 11:35:54
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I don't think too many end users thinks of Palladium as exciting. A lot of smaller software developers will also get in trouble because of Palladium. If they can't afford to run Safe then they can't deliver software. If M$ on the other hand gives away Palladium SDK for free, all virus developers will then support Palladium too, completely negating any use of Palladium. /Per W On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dev...@li... > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of iad929 > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:12 AM > > To: dev...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn > > > > > > To add something, This new version of Windows will be called Trusted > > Windows. > > > > That's Palladium (Trustworthy Computing) , not Longhorn (which will be > included in Longhorn). Palladium is a safe execution environment. The > software will run in safe and unsafe mode. > > > "But future Windows versions promise to be even more exciting. The next > major desktop Windows release, code-named Longhorn, is due in 2005 and will > include Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing (Palladium) architectural changes, > as well as a new 3D video-driven user interface and a SQL Server-based file > system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS). The next Windows Server > release, code-named Blackcomb, will likely ship a few years after Longhorn." > > > > > > Ioannis Vranos > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com > * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys > * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@at...> - 2003-05-08 12:11:22
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"Q: What's with this Palladium stuff I keep hearing about?
A: One of the most exciting aspects of Longhorn is its optional =
integration
with Palladium, Microsoft's technology for realizing its Trustworthy
Computing vision. Palladium is basically a secure run-time environment =
for
Windows and other operating systems that allows a coming generation of
software applications and services to protect the end user from privacy
invasion, outside hacking, spam, and other electronic attacks. Palladium
requires special hardware security chips and microprocessors (which will =
be
made by Intel and AMD) and doesn't interfere with the normal operation =
of
the PC. That is, Palladium-based PCs will still operate normally, =
working
with legacy operating systems and applications. But specially-made =
Palladium
applications and services will offer a range of features of =
functionality
not found in the non-Palladium world, and if the initiative is =
successful,
we'll one day be running only Palladium-based software.
If you're familiar with the .NET model, you might be aware of the notion =
of
"managed" and "non-managed" (or legacy) code. Palladium will institute a
similar model for PC software, where a trusted execution mode is used =
for
Palladium applications and services and the old, "untrusted" mode is =
used
for legacy code.
Microsoft designed Palladium around the following ideals:=20
Palladium will tell you who you're dealing with online, and what they're
doing. It will uniquely identify you to your PC and can limit what =
arrives
(and runs on) that computer. Information that comes in from the Internet
will be verified before you can access it.=20
Palladium protects information using encryption to seal data so that =
"snoops
and thieves are thwarted." The system can maintain document integrity so
that documents can't be altered without your knowledge.=20
Palladium stops viruses and worms. The system won't run unauthorized
programs, preventing viruses from trashing your system.=20
Palladium stops spam. Spam will be stopped before it even hits your =
email
inbox. Unsolicited mail that you might actually want to receive will be
allowed through if it has credentials that meet your user-defined =
standards.
Palladium safeguards privacy. In addition to the system's ability to =
seal
data on your PC, Palladium can also seal data sent across the Internet =
using
software agents that ensure the data reaches only the proper people.
Newsweek reports that the agent has been nicknamed "My Man," a goof on =
".NET
My Services," "My Documents," and other similar names at Microsoft.=20
Palladium controls information after it's sent from your PC. Using =
Digital
Rights Management (DRM) technology, Palladium can be used to securely
distribute music, movies, and other intellectual property securely over =
the
Internet. Movie studios and the recording industry could use this =
technology
to let their customers exercise their fair use rights to copy audio CDs =
and
movies, for example. "It's a funny thing," says Bill Gates. "We came at =
this
thinking about music, but then we realized that e-mail and documents =
were
far more interesting domains." Gates says that Palladium could ensure =
that
email designated as private could not be forwarded or copied to other
people, for example. Or, the Newsweek reports reads, "you could create =
Word
documents that could be read only in the next week. In all cases, it =
would
be the user, not Microsoft, who sets these policies."=20
You can find out more about Palladium in my WinInfo article, Microsoft's
Secret Plan to Secure the PC, which was written when this initiative was
first revealed. But I will add this now: There is a ton of =
misinformation
about Palladium out there on the Net ("It will require proprietary =
Microsoft
changes to TCP/IP," "It won't run on Linux," and other similar =
claptrap),
but most of that is completely untrue. People fear what they don't
understand, but Palladium is about securing the PC, plain and simple."
Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
* Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Per Westermark [mailto:pw...@ia...]=20
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:35 PM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Cc: dev...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
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>=20
> I don't think too many end users thinks of Palladium as=20
> exciting. A lot of
> smaller software developers will also get in trouble because=20
> of Palladium.
> If they can't afford to run Safe then they can't deliver=20
> software. If M$
> on the other hand gives away Palladium SDK for free, all=20
> virus developers
> will then support Palladium too, completely negating any use=20
> of Palladium.
>=20
> /Per W
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>=20
> On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dev...@li...
> > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On=20
> Behalf Of iad929
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:12 AM
> > > To: dev...@li...
> > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> > >
> > >
> > > To add something, This new version of Windows will be=20
> called Trusted
> > > Windows.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's Palladium (Trustworthy Computing) , not Longhorn=20
> (which will be
> > included in Longhorn). Palladium is a safe execution=20
> environment. The
> > software will run in safe and unsafe mode.
> >
> >
> > "But future Windows versions promise to be even more=20
> exciting. The next
> > major desktop Windows release, code-named Longhorn, is due=20
> in 2005 and will
> > include Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing (Palladium)=20
> architectural changes,
> > as well as a new 3D video-driven user interface and a SQL=20
> Server-based file
> > system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS). The next=20
> Windows Server
> > release, code-named Blackcomb, will likely ship a few years=20
> after Longhorn."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ioannis Vranos
> >
> > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
> > * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
> > * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003,=20
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> > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux=20
> enterprise solutions
> > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com
> >
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From: Per W. <pw...@ia...> - 2003-05-08 12:40:09
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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> first revealed. But I will add this now: There is a ton of misinformation
> about Palladium out there on the Net ("It will require proprietary Microsoft
> changes to TCP/IP," "It won't run on Linux," and other similar claptrap),
> but most of that is completely untrue. People fear what they don't
> understand, but Palladium is about securing the PC, plain and simple."
>
Often when M$ is involved, they - and writers friendly with them - put out
a lot of the above messages. However, actual facts about how the
misinformation is misinformation is usually missing, i.e. M$ seldom
informs about how the concept will work without breaking havoc. If every
software is encrypted with something similar to SSL certificates, and a
private key for a company gets stolen - how will the systems then block
the bad guy from releasing nice viruses signed as commersial utilities. If
the original certificate is revoked - will that revoke your right to run
the original utilities?
Filtering of all information received on internet before you may see it.
Sounds very hard to do without breaking all existing protocols.
M$ talks a lot about protecting our documents, but a lot less about how an
end-user might create an own video and allow everyone to download it -
since the user has the copyright, he must be allowed to create a video
which allows more than one level of copying. But at the same time, he
should not be able to take an existing - commersial - video and make a lot
of copies of it. Most of tehse teknologies, when you read the fine print,
does break the end-user and small-developer rights. The companies always
says that you just have to get package xx and then you are home-free. The
courts and poloticians never think about the price of these packages and
licenses.
/Per W
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>
>
>
> Ioannis Vranos
>
> * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
> * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
> * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Per Westermark [mailto:pw...@ia...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:35 PM
> > To: Ioannis Vranos
> > Cc: dev...@li...
> > Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> >
> >
> > I don't think too many end users thinks of Palladium as
> > exciting. A lot of
> > smaller software developers will also get in trouble because
> > of Palladium.
> > If they can't afford to run Safe then they can't deliver
> > software. If M$
> > on the other hand gives away Palladium SDK for free, all
> > virus developers
> > will then support Palladium too, completely negating any use
> > of Palladium.
> >
> > /Per W
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dev...@li...
> > > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On
> > Behalf Of iad929
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:12 AM
> > > > To: dev...@li...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To add something, This new version of Windows will be
> > called Trusted
> > > > Windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's Palladium (Trustworthy Computing) , not Longhorn
> > (which will be
> > > included in Longhorn). Palladium is a safe execution
> > environment. The
> > > software will run in safe and unsafe mode.
> > >
> > >
> > > "But future Windows versions promise to be even more
> > exciting. The next
> > > major desktop Windows release, code-named Longhorn, is due
> > in 2005 and will
> > > include Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing (Palladium)
> > architectural changes,
> > > as well as a new 3D video-driven user interface and a SQL
> > Server-based file
> > > system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS). The next
> > Windows Server
> > > release, code-named Blackcomb, will likely ship a few years
> > after Longhorn."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ioannis Vranos
> > >
> > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
> > > * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
> > > * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
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> > Santa Clara
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> > enterprise solutions
> > > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com
> > >
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@at...> - 2003-05-08 10:59:30
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li...=20 > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20 > Of David Matthews > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:31 PM > To: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn >=20 >=20 > I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in=20 > the least. The > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that=20 > powered this > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4=20 > with 384MB of > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't=20 > exactly call that > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why does > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged=20 > across the screen > aid my computing experiance? :\ Longhron will be available in the beginning of 2005. Imagine the horse = power of the machines for sale at the time (a year is a century in computer revolution). They will be about 6 Ghz according to my estimtion using = the Moore's Law, although GHz is not the only factor for speed.=20 Ioannis Vranos =20 * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net |
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From: Per W. <pw...@ia...> - 2003-05-08 11:32:08
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But now you are discussing the speed of new machines in the high-end range. Expect a lot of people with 2-3 year old machines to want the next OS too. 2005-3 = 2002. Note that the machine they demonstrated on had a ATI Radeom 9700, which a normal machine from 2002 (and 2003) do not have. I don't even think it was available other in sample quantities last year. Most people git a bit angry if the OS manufacturer forces them to change computer just because. That is a big reason why a lot of servers around the world are running Gnu/Linux or FreeBSD. Even a 486 or Pentium machine can perform important services since the OS never steals capacity. If the machine was capable of running a fax software 1995, it will still be able to run the fax software now. On a M$ machine, you might not even have time to wait for the software to start up, if you did the bad mistake of upgrading OS or software on an older machine. /Per W On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dev...@li... > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > > Of David Matthews > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:31 PM > > To: dev...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn > > > > > > I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind > > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in > > the least. The > > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that > > powered this > > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 > > with 384MB of > > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't > > exactly call that > > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my > > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why does > > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged > > across the screen > > aid my computing experiance? :\ > > > > Longhron will be available in the beginning of 2005. Imagine the horse power > of the machines for sale at the time (a year is a century in computer > revolution). They will be about 6 Ghz according to my estimtion using the > Moore's Law, although GHz is not the only factor for speed. > > > > > > Ioannis Vranos > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com > * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys > * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: <or...@vp...> - 2003-05-08 11:33:52
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David Matthews wrote: > I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least. The > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered this > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384MB of > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't exactly call that > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why does > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the screen > aid my computing experiance? :\ *You are absolutely right!* If THAT is low-level, what is this: Celeron 433MHz 256 MB RAM GeForce2 MX400 32 MB Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed. Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention. Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking... Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all the security bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in Longhorn, what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an accidental bug - they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...) I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything, then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer being watched - specially not by Microsoft... -- Greetings, Balázs |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@at...> - 2003-05-08 12:24:19
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li...=20 > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20 > Of OROSZI Balazs > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM > To: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn >=20 > *You are absolutely right!* > If THAT is low-level, what is this: > Celeron 433MHz > 256 MB RAM > GeForce2 MX400 32 MB >=20 > Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed. > Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention.=20 > Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples=20 > attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking... >=20 > Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all=20 > the security=20 > bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in=20 > Longhorn,=20 > what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an=20 > accidental bug -=20 > they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...) >=20 > I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER=20 > upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything,=20 > then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer=20 > being watched - specially not by Microsoft... You remind me the old days when I was talking with my friends that = Windows 3.x/95 had nothing new to offer, and we were already doing whatever we needed with DOS. :) Well, the truth is that indeed we are wasting a lot = of horsepower for graphics, icons etc. But then how less-technical-savvy* = could join computers and that means to get more customers? Now with the data base file system (WinFS) where you will not search = for jpgs but for "my christmas photos", or "my emails of 24/12/2003" you = will need more horse power so as the system to analyze your phrases, but that will help more less-technical-savvy* to join.=20 In a technical note, as horse power increases the abstraction will = increase too. And this in all levels, user experience, programming apis etc. * less-technical-savvy=3D Some people call them amusingly as "idiots". Ioannis Vranos =20 * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net |
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From: Per W. <pw...@ia...> - 2003-05-08 12:45:15
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With more horse-power, we don't need a database file-system. Smarter file systems should only be needed for allowing more to be done with same or less computing power. Right now we need third-party tools to scan directories and files and build separate search indices. These concepts work. All we need - and may already have with file-system plugins - is filters that hooks all updates to keep the indices updated instead of having to rebuild them every night. /Per W On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dev...@li... > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > > Of OROSZI Balazs > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM > > To: dev...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn > > > > *You are absolutely right!* > > If THAT is low-level, what is this: > > Celeron 433MHz > > 256 MB RAM > > GeForce2 MX400 32 MB > > > > Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed. > > Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention. > > Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples > > attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking... > > > > Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all > > the security > > bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in > > Longhorn, > > what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an > > accidental bug - > > they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...) > > > > I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER > > upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything, > > then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer > > being watched - specially not by Microsoft... > > > > You remind me the old days when I was talking with my friends that Windows > 3.x/95 had nothing new to offer, and we were already doing whatever we > needed with DOS. :) Well, the truth is that indeed we are wasting a lot of > horsepower for graphics, icons etc. But then how less-technical-savvy* could > join computers and that means to get more customers? > > Now with the data base file system (WinFS) where you will not search for > jpgs but for "my christmas photos", or "my emails of 24/12/2003" you will > need more horse power so as the system to analyze your phrases, but that > will help more less-technical-savvy* to join. > > > In a technical note, as horse power increases the abstraction will increase > too. And this in all levels, user experience, programming apis etc. > > > > * less-technical-savvy= Some people call them amusingly as "idiots". > > > > Ioannis Vranos > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com > * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys > * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: jose i. c. <ji...@fr...> - 2003-05-08 12:58:34
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I still have my Amiga 1000, which at 7Mhz with 8M RAM, has faster speed than most machines today. The programs were so small in size, I only have a 128M hard drive and I have 5 partitions on it. I have music software there, I have compilers, games, a ABasic program that is over 20000 lines, and word processing gallore and more. What happened? ----- Original Message ----- From: "OROSZI Balázs" <or...@vp...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn > David Matthews wrote: > > I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind > > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least. The > > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered this > > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384MB of > > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't exactly call that > > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my > > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why does > > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the screen > > aid my computing experiance? :\ > > *You are absolutely right!* > If THAT is low-level, what is this: > Celeron 433MHz > 256 MB RAM > GeForce2 MX400 32 MB > > Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed. > Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention. > Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples > attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking... > > Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all the security > bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in Longhorn, > what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an accidental bug - > they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...) > > I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER > upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything, > then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer > being watched - specially not by Microsoft... > > -- > Greetings, > Balázs > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: Paul B. <pa...@ad...> - 2003-05-08 13:37:54
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I used to use Amigas, most the programs where much smaller than the Windo= ws versions and used less memory. There was a word processing program that h= ad an Amiga version and a Windows one they were basically the same, but the Amiga version required about 2MB of memory while the Windows one needed 8MB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jose isaias cabrera" <ji...@fr...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn I still have my Amiga 1000, which at 7Mhz with 8M RAM, has faster speed t= han most machines today. The programs were so small in size, I only have a 1= 28M hard drive and I have 5 partitions on it. I have music software there, I have compilers, games, a ABasic program that is over 20000 lines, and wor= d processing gallore and more. What happened? ----- Original Message ----- From: "OROSZI Bal=E1zs" <or...@vp...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn > David Matthews wrote: > > I must say that I find these updates very interesting. I don't mind > > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least. The > > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered this > > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384= MB of > > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card." I wouldn't exactly cal= l that > > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my > > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.) And why doe= s > > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the screen > > aid my computing experiance? :\ > > *You are absolutely right!* > If THAT is low-level, what is this: > Celeron 433MHz > 256 MB RAM > GeForce2 MX400 32 MB > > Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed. > Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention. > Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples > attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking... > > Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all the securit= y > bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in Longhorn, > what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an accidental bug - > they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...) > > I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER > upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything, > then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer > being watched - specially not by Microsoft... > > -- > Greetings, > Bal=E1zs > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara > The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solution= s > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
