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[Dev-C++] Re: Dev-C++ manual

[Defiant H. <he...@er...>]

andre_barros wrote:
> I am almost making some manual, but I think it exists... some guru 
> probably made it!

Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> As far as I know there isn't any manual. But is there any need for a 
> manual regarding Dev-C++? If you think there is, there is a great thing 
> you can do.
> Since it can't be large anyway, you can write one with your name always 
> in it, and provide it freely for all the rest on the web. I am sure Colin 
> will place it at his web site willingly. After all, that's what open 
> source projects are about. There is even GNU license for manuals!

> As far as I know there isn't one. However please make your own as an HTML 
> if you wish to make it open source.

If you or someone else does write a manual for Dev-C++, I'd be willing to 
do the conversion to .chm format so it could be put in Dev's help popup 
button.  It'd probably be best to keep a pure HTML version on the site too, 
since MS probably owns the rights to the .chm format. (Seeing as they use 
it for their help system)

RE: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Santiago
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:33 AM
> To: Khalid El-Kary; Dev...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!
> 
> 
> Saddam peaceful??? Ok let's see: 8 years of war with Iran out 
> of nowhere,
> then invaded Kwait for no reason. And again you WILL NOT 
> dispute the 250,000
> dead people under Saddam regime because you just can't deny 
> that, neither
> have an idea on how to explain it or justify it. I'm 
> constantly reading
> sites around the world; ther can't be no brain washing here 
> in the USA. The
> US is one of the only countries in which "internet cafes" 
> can't work as a
> business. And that's because families here have 1, 2,3, more 
> computers each,
> all with internet access. So you could say that Americans 
> have the best
> access to WORLD information, better than any other country (I 
> know you might
> hate that, it's REALITY). Again, i don't know where you are 
> but if in your
> country 2+2=5, then I'll understabd why you say Saddam is 
> peaceful. It all
> comes down to the USA being the best and powerful country in 
> the world where
> lots of things you enjoy were invented, including computers,computer
> programming, and C++. So I also understand that it's human 
> nature to hate
> the BEST regardless of the facts. But at the end you and 
> everyone else will
> still want to be like the best.
> Saddam is evil and must go very soon and any other evil 
> county MUST until
> there's no more crazy fanatic regimes threating this blessed land!


I agree with the above. Under the terms that Saddam will not be replaced by
another evil dictatorship, US would leave from the country and a democratic
regime with various parties would take its place.



Ioannis Vranos
 
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

RE: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Santiago [mailto:sa...@ho...]=20
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:20 AM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge
>=20


At first I want to say that I am just a citizen in Europe, just a coder. =
I
am not talking about politics but I decided now to talk because things =
have
got to be outrageous. I am not (even) a member of a political party. And =
i
try to be as neutral as possible. The truth is that I believe that US =
after
WWII and especially after the fall of the Eastern block has lost the =
control
of itself. And things are getting increasingly more out of control.



> Suppose you teach someone c++ and then that person uses those=20
> skills to hack
> you. Would you have expected that student to attack you?=20


I would not teach C++ to dictators nor to fanatics of any kind. I  would
teach C++ only to democratic societies and powers. And I would call it =
an
"attack of goodness".



> that's the same
> issue in a greater scale when it comes to Iraq. Regardless of=20
> any mistakes
> the US may have made in the past, believe me the US will NOT=20
> take a chance
> and WILL destroy any threat, with unprecedented minimum casualties
> (precision I know a lot of people hate), and will defend=20
> itself.=20


There were no mistakes. They created dicators and trained extremists so =
as
to use them against the others and towards their profit (like taking =
free
oil for example). They never cared about the people. in the contrary =
their
actions were always against human lives.




> There's no
> room to leave possibilities on the air  (like France before=20
> WWII).


Yet France did not create Hitler.



> there is
> no room to take a chance. It's all about survival and believe=20
> we the US WILL
> survive and WILL not concede to any oposition. You just have=20
> to get used to
> it!


Ok, now that US will take over Iraq (with the possibility of use of =
atomic
weapons) they will probably place another dictator or may be they will
remain there as an occupation army. As they said, they will not give =
Iraq to
United Nations to help to its restructuring. Face it, US troops there =
are an
occupation army. However I am not surprised that you do not know what is
going on. We are listening daily on TV what has happened and how your
channels report it (if they even report it). And i am not talking about =
my
country, I am talking about the whole Europe (except UK of course).



Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

That doesn't mean we have to take a chance in death. For whatever reasons
they exist, created or not, they must be destroy1 End of story
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ioannis Vranos" <iv...@em...>
To: <Dev...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf
> Of Khalid El-Kary
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:34 AM
> To: Dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!
>
>
> Hi again fellow,
>
> >See , I didn't say the main purpose of the US was to rescue
> those poor
> >people. However, the result of the US going in, will be
> peace, stability,
>
> so you believe that US isn't there for rescuing people ?
> did they tell you that before USA came saddam killed people
> in groups? why
> do they raise his name and his pictures in TV ? are these poor people
> kidding us in war ?
> Iraq was peaceful until you came, if it wasn't, people
> wouldn't have killed
> you fellow, people would have really put flowers for you to
> get in, but this
> is not true, Iraqi people, are currently killing US soldiers
> who are your
> brothers as i suppose. how can you explain to me that a
> civilian Iraqi woman
> kills three US soldiers ? do you think such a woman, doesn't
> love saddam ?
> Iraqi people love saddam, this is not my words, it's words of
> people who
> went to Iraq, my maths teacher was there, he told me that
> Iraqi people love
> saddam more than any thing ... so can saddam be killing them
> in streets ?
>
>
> you are poor, really poor, because you don't know the truth
> fellow, didn't
> you ask yourself why did the people attack you in 11th
> September ? would
> they attack to just die ? are they just "coward mad people" ?
> I don't think so, they attacked you because you have a hand
> in all that's
> done for palastine, you support Israel, can you hide it ?
> I don't say that the attack was justice, but the attack
> wasn't a pointless
> act, and you should (instead of pro-acting) stop supporting
> the injust power
> of Israel. oh and even more, USA attacked afhganistan and
> killed innocent
> people without bringing a proof that Usama Bin Laden is
> responsible ... one
> of the things that happened there is, destroying an Afghani
> hospital ? plz
> study the truth very well, don't just listen to your TV, it's
> edited to
> blind you, use your mind to figure the truth out, our TV may
> blind us too by
> the way, but I think deeper.
[...]


Let's not broaden the discussion. The truth is that dictator Saddam and
terrorist Bin L. were all created, trained and gained weapons of mass
destruction by US. Then suddenly when they stop doing their favors or attack
them, US discover that they are evil. They feed their citizens with lies and
begin wars to apply their moral values which apparently they lacked when
they created them in the first place.

US citizens are victims too, they are not told the truth.


Ioannis Vranos

* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys




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Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

Saddam peaceful??? Ok let's see: 8 years of war with Iran out of nowhere,
then invaded Kwait for no reason. And again you WILL NOT dispute the 250,000
dead people under Saddam regime because you just can't deny that, neither
have an idea on how to explain it or justify it. I'm constantly reading
sites around the world; ther can't be no brain washing here in the USA. The
US is one of the only countries in which "internet cafes" can't work as a
business. And that's because families here have 1, 2,3, more computers each,
all with internet access. So you could say that Americans have the best
access to WORLD information, better than any other country (I know you might
hate that, it's REALITY). Again, i don't know where you are but if in your
country 2+2=5, then I'll understabd why you say Saddam is peaceful. It all
comes down to the USA being the best and powerful country in the world where
lots of things you enjoy were invented, including computers,computer
programming, and C++. So I also understand that it's human nature to hate
the BEST regardless of the facts. But at the end you and everyone else will
still want to be like the best.
Saddam is evil and must go very soon and any other evil county MUST until
there's no more crazy fanatic regimes threating this blessed land!





----- Original Message -----
From: "Khalid El-Kary" <kha...@ho...>
To: <Dev...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!


> Hi again fellow,
>
> >See , I didn't say the main purpose of the US was to rescue those poor
> >people. However, the result of the US going in, will be peace, stability,
>
> so you believe that US isn't there for rescuing people ?
> did they tell you that before USA came saddam killed people in groups? why
> do they raise his name and his pictures in TV ? are these poor people
> kidding us in war ?
> Iraq was peaceful until you came, if it wasn't, people wouldn't have
killed
> you fellow, people would have really put flowers for you to get in, but
this
> is not true, Iraqi people, are currently killing US soldiers who are your
> brothers as i suppose. how can you explain to me that a civilian Iraqi
woman
> kills three US soldiers ? do you think such a woman, doesn't love saddam ?
> Iraqi people love saddam, this is not my words, it's words of people who
> went to Iraq, my maths teacher was there, he told me that Iraqi people
love
> saddam more than any thing ... so can saddam be killing them in streets ?
>
> >and much more lives will be saved than if saddam would stay.
> >The main purpose of us going in is our defense. Throughout the history of
> >the US and the world, all countries have REACTED to aggression.
> >Unfortunatelly,  September 11th, 2001 changed US and world history. The
US
>
> you are poor, really poor, because you don't know the truth fellow, didn't
> you ask yourself why did the people attack you in 11th September ? would
> they attack to just die ? are they just "coward mad people" ?
> I don't think so, they attacked you because you have a hand in all that's
> done for palastine, you support Israel, can you hide it ?
> I don't say that the attack was justice, but the attack wasn't a pointless
> act, and you should (instead of pro-acting) stop supporting the injust
power
> of Israel. oh and even more, USA attacked afhganistan and killed innocent
> people without bringing a proof that Usama Bin Laden is responsible ...
one
> of the things that happened there is, destroying an Afghani hospital ? plz
> study the truth very well, don't just listen to your TV, it's edited to
> blind you, use your mind to figure the truth out, our TV may blind us too
by
> the way, but I think deeper.
>
> >is no longer going to REACT, it from now on will PRO-ACT. And that's
>
> sacrastic again...and kill innocent people in its PRO-ACT ?
>
> >something the world is going to have to get used to. Before Sep11th, I
> >wou;d
>
> So you dismiss justice ? i'm worried that saddam is going to be an angel
if
> compared with you, return to justice plz.
>
> >have disagree with the war. But as you know after Sep 11th we were
attacked
>
> Killing children doesn't have special circumstances where it's allowed,
your
> hand is soiled in their blood. my hand too, because i didn't stand to
defend
> them.
>
> >with biological and weapons, which CANNOT be contained like communism. We
>
> they didn't find these weapons so far, and they weren't found before the
> war, right ? or you attack for the possibilty even ?
>
> >HAVE to take action against ANT THREAT before it can even get here. So
it's
> >all about life or dead.
>
> It's all about innocent blood shed, but our god is fair, and days will
make
> everyone responsible for innocent blood pay for it.
>
> >I hope the US continues to be PROACTIVE in the face of biological or
> >chemical threats and I hope some day the world understands that because
> >from
> >now on there is no turning back.
>
> you remind me of the matrix movie, no turning back, are they a herd of
> sheeps that you kill them with "no turning back" ? they are humans we
should
> think 1000000 times before we kill one of them. return to justice plz.
>
> your speech is no longer about justice, it's about pre-protection of
yours,
> which means killing innocent children, and you could have avoided it if
you
> didn't become our center of hatred, by what you did along the years with
our
> brothers in palastine, now you are even going further, but there's a god
> above, who sees you, and hears you.
>
> I'm really sorry for the mailing list, i promise not to post about this
> topic again, it's for Dev-C++ isn't it ? :)
>
> Regards,
> Khalid AL-Kary
>
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[Dev-C++] Peace, not war

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...=20
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20
> Of Andr? Macario Barros
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:42 AM
> To: Dev-Cpp-Users
> Subject: [Dev-C++] I declare war
>=20
>=20
> Fellows,
>=20
>    Let=B4s make our technic war!
>    I declare war against Mr. Ioannis answers and the gurus of=20
> this list
> concerning Dev-C++ downloadable manuals and other free sources.
>    He never answered directly if it exists or not. Allways=20
> indicating a
> gcwin path that I never
> found a book that we can download, print and put at the right=20
> side of the
> computer.



There isn't any manual for Dev-C++. I do not participate in the =
development
of Dev-C++ too.



>    I like to make the students independent themselves, that=20
> is, when they
> ask for this or that,
>    I  like to indicate some page of some manual.
>    For C, I have the book. Kernighan=B4s
>    For C++, I have it too. Deitel
>    For WinApi32 Windows programming, I am testing the Petzold=20
> book. I seems
> good.
>    But... for the compiler, Dev-C++... beginning for the simple
> system("PAUSE") on the screen, passing for questions like=20
> error codes and
> things like that, I allways have to answer them.
>    This is not the worst! I have to listen "But, Professor,=20
> Why can=B4t we use
> Visual C++?"...



As far as I know there isn't any manual. But is there any need for a =
manual
regarding Dev-C++? If you think there is, there is a great thing you can =
do.
Since it can't be large anyway, you can write one with your name always =
in
it, and provide it freely for all the rest on the web. I am sure Colin =
will
place it at his web site willingly. After all, that's what open source
projects are about. There is even GNU license for manuals!


>    Please, gurus, say me that in the path blah blah blah I=20
> can download some
> .PDF that I can
> indicate to the students (and for me!) how to correctly use=20
> Dev-C++! I am
> almost making some
> manual, but I think it exists... some guru probably made it!


As far as I know there isn't one. However please make your own as an =
HTML if
you wish to make it open source.



Regards,

Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

[Dev-C++] Peace, not war

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf
> Of Andrι Macαrio Barros
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:42 AM
> To: Dev-Cpp-Users
> Subject: [Dev-C++] I declare war
>
>
> Fellows,
>
>    Let´s make our technic war!
>    I declare war against Mr. Ioannis answers and the gurus of
> this list
> concerning Dev-C++ downloadable manuals and other free sources.
>    He never answered directly if it exists or not. Allways
> indicating a
> gcwin path that I never
> found a book that we can download, print and put at the right
> side of the
> computer.



There isn't any manual for Dev-C++. I do not participate in the development
of Dev-C++ too.



>    I like to make the students independent themselves, that
> is, when they
> ask for this or that,
>    I  like to indicate some page of some manual.
>    For C, I have the book. Kernighan´s
>    For C++, I have it too. Deitel
>    For WinApi32 Windows programming, I am testing the Petzold
> book. I seems
> good.
>    But... for the compiler, Dev-C++... beginning for the simple
> system("PAUSE") on the screen, passing for questions like
> error codes and
> things like that, I allways have to answer them.
>    This is not the worst! I have to listen "But, Professor,
> Why can´t we use
> Visual C++?"...



As far as I know there isn't any manual. But is there any need for a manual
regarding Dev-C++? If you think there is, there is a great thing you can do.
Since it can't be large anyway, you can write one with your name always in
it, and provide it freely for all the rest on the web. I am sure Colin will
place it at his web site willingly. After all, that's what open source
projects are about. There is even GNU license for manuals!


>    Please, gurus, say me that in the path blah blah blah I
> can download some
> .PDF that I can
> indicate to the students (and for me!) how to correctly use
> Dev-C++! I am
> almost making some
> manual, but I think it exists... some guru probably made it!


As far as I know there isn't one. However please make your own as an HTML if
you wish to make it open source.



Regards,

Ioannis Vranos

* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

[Dev-C++] I declare war

[<and...@su...>]

Fellows,

   Let´s make our technic war!
   I declare war against Mr. Ioannis answers and the gurus of this list
concerning Dev-C++ downloadable manuals and other free sources.
   He never answered directly if it exists or not. Allways indicating a
gcwin path that I never
found a book that we can download, print and put at the right side of the
computer.
   I like to make the students independent themselves, that is, when they
ask for this or that,
   I  like to indicate some page of some manual.
   For C, I have the book. Kernighan´s
   For C++, I have it too. Deitel
   For WinApi32 Windows programming, I am testing the Petzold book. I seems
good.
   But... for the compiler, Dev-C++... beginning for the simple
system("PAUSE") on the screen, passing for questions like error codes and
things like that, I allways have to answer them.
   This is not the worst! I have to listen "But, Professor, Why can´t we use
Visual C++?"...

   Please, gurus, say me that in the path blah blah blah I can download some
.PDF that I can
indicate to the students (and for me!) how to correctly use Dev-C++! I am
almost making some
manual, but I think it exists... some guru probably made it!

   Thank you
   Andre

[Dev-C++] (no subject)

[<PIB...@co...>]

confirm 778425

[Dev-C++] Re: Size of file

[Defiant H. <he...@er...>]

I'm only guessing, but is it possible that you included debugging=20
information? I hear that can dramatically increase the size of the binary.

Falcon wrote:=A0
> Why in last version dev-cpp after compiling I get file exe 94kB. In=20
> previous
> version I get only 8kB.
> =A0
> Thanks in advance.
> =A0
> Falcon

RES: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Daniel K. O. <dan...@ya...>]

 >  I'm really sorry for the mailing list, i promise not to post about this
 >  topic again, it's for Dev-C++ isn't it ? :)

Yeah, plz you guys can exchange private mail about this.
But just to get a little on-topic here...



/*
  peace.c
  Usage: compile it and run
     peace > p.xbm
  then open the image p.xbm
*/

#include <stdio.h>
int __,p,e,a,c,E,_;
main()
{
  puts("#define p_width 256");
  puts("#define p_height 256");
  puts("static unsigned char p_bits[] = {");
  do     {
     p   =(_&255)-128;
     e   =(_>>8)-128;
     a   =e*e+p*p;
     c   |=(a<16383&&(a>9409||(abs(p)<16||abs(abs(p)-e)<20)))<<E++;
     E   -8||(printf("0x%02x,%c",c,10+22*!!(++__&7)),c=E=0);
         } while(++_ < 65536);
  puts("};");
}





Daniel K. O.

RE: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

Our next big hope is European Union. However will it succeed? Unfortunately
it seems a bit injured currently.





Ioannis Vranos
 
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

RE: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...=20
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20
> Of Khalid El-Kary
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:34 AM
> To: Dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!
>=20
>=20
> Hi again fellow,
>=20
> >See , I didn't say the main purpose of the US was to rescue=20
> those poor
> >people. However, the result of the US going in, will be=20
> peace, stability,
>=20
> so you believe that US isn't there for rescuing people ?
> did they tell you that before USA came saddam killed people=20
> in groups? why=20
> do they raise his name and his pictures in TV ? are these poor people=20
> kidding us in war ?
> Iraq was peaceful until you came, if it wasn't, people=20
> wouldn't have killed=20
> you fellow, people would have really put flowers for you to=20
> get in, but this=20
> is not true, Iraqi people, are currently killing US soldiers=20
> who are your=20
> brothers as i suppose. how can you explain to me that a=20
> civilian Iraqi woman=20
> kills three US soldiers ? do you think such a woman, doesn't=20
> love saddam ?=20
> Iraqi people love saddam, this is not my words, it's words of=20
> people who=20
> went to Iraq, my maths teacher was there, he told me that=20
> Iraqi people love=20
> saddam more than any thing ... so can saddam be killing them=20
> in streets ?
>=20
>=20
> you are poor, really poor, because you don't know the truth=20
> fellow, didn't=20
> you ask yourself why did the people attack you in 11th=20
> September ? would=20
> they attack to just die ? are they just "coward mad people" ?
> I don't think so, they attacked you because you have a hand=20
> in all that's=20
> done for palastine, you support Israel, can you hide it ?
> I don't say that the attack was justice, but the attack=20
> wasn't a pointless=20
> act, and you should (instead of pro-acting) stop supporting=20
> the injust power=20
> of Israel. oh and even more, USA attacked afhganistan and=20
> killed innocent=20
> people without bringing a proof that Usama Bin Laden is=20
> responsible ... one=20
> of the things that happened there is, destroying an Afghani=20
> hospital ? plz=20
> study the truth very well, don't just listen to your TV, it's=20
> edited to=20
> blind you, use your mind to figure the truth out, our TV may=20
> blind us too by=20
> the way, but I think deeper.
[...]


Let's not broaden the discussion. The truth is that dictator Saddam and
terrorist Bin L. were all created, trained and gained weapons of mass
destruction by US. Then suddenly when they stop doing their favors or =
attack
them, US discover that they are evil. They feed their citizens with lies =
and
begin wars to apply their moral values which apparently they lacked when
they created them in the first place.

US citizens are victims too, they are not told the truth.


Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
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RE: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

I made a syntax error so I repost. :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Santiago [mailto:sa...@ho...]=20
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:14 AM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge
>=20
>=20
> Of course we did. And that was a huge mistake. However, that=20
> doesn't achange
> the fact that you don't care about those poor civilians. The US
> miscalculated that unlike all other countries with chem=20
> weapons, ie Russia,
> Saddam doesn't care about his pown people, and therefore CAN NOT be
> contained. Having said that, the US needs to survive and destroy
> uncontainable threat. But you and most of the world don't=20
> want to realize
> that the greatness of the USA is based on its freedom and=20
> values, and that's
> why you also know that the US will do its very best to avoid civilian
> casualties. And our ability to do that, believe it or not,=20
> causes more fury
> among anti US people.


So let me undestand. You create dictators and terrorits who torture =
people
of other countries with horifying deeds, provide them with deadly =
weapons
and as far as they make your favours there is no problem. If they stop =
doing
it, then you make war against them and kill many of the citizens =
yourselves
(this is the truth and not what you are told that is going on).=20

I do not say that it is your personal fault, you are just a citizen. But
this is what is going on. And all the mass media feed you with the
propaganda that is needed to make you think that your country is =
behaving
with the highest moral values.


Why the same people created this horrible dictator? They did not know =
that
Iraq people would suffer? How suddenly in the 90s they remembered that =
he is
evil?

We had dictatorship here in Greece in 1960's and lasted for years. Guess =
who
organized them, CIA. We had republic and they placed us under =
dictatorship
until 1974.


I consider all US citizens as victims. You do not know what really is =
going
on. You think that all the whole world has problem with US for not some
apparent reason, that they just envy your power. Get real, US make =
horrible
things around the world!


Well I do not know if you can ever realise that, but well, at least I =
made a
try to give you a more real perspective.


Ioannis Vranos
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[Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

[Khalid El-K. <kha...@ho...>]

Hi again fellow,

>See , I didn't say the main purpose of the US was to rescue those poor
>people. However, the result of the US going in, will be peace, stability,

so you believe that US isn't there for rescuing people ?
did they tell you that before USA came saddam killed people in groups? why 
do they raise his name and his pictures in TV ? are these poor people 
kidding us in war ?
Iraq was peaceful until you came, if it wasn't, people wouldn't have killed 
you fellow, people would have really put flowers for you to get in, but this 
is not true, Iraqi people, are currently killing US soldiers who are your 
brothers as i suppose. how can you explain to me that a civilian Iraqi woman 
kills three US soldiers ? do you think such a woman, doesn't love saddam ? 
Iraqi people love saddam, this is not my words, it's words of people who 
went to Iraq, my maths teacher was there, he told me that Iraqi people love 
saddam more than any thing ... so can saddam be killing them in streets ?

>and much more lives will be saved than if saddam would stay.
>The main purpose of us going in is our defense. Throughout the history of
>the US and the world, all countries have REACTED to aggression.
>Unfortunatelly,  September 11th, 2001 changed US and world history. The US

you are poor, really poor, because you don't know the truth fellow, didn't 
you ask yourself why did the people attack you in 11th September ? would 
they attack to just die ? are they just "coward mad people" ?
I don't think so, they attacked you because you have a hand in all that's 
done for palastine, you support Israel, can you hide it ?
I don't say that the attack was justice, but the attack wasn't a pointless 
act, and you should (instead of pro-acting) stop supporting the injust power 
of Israel. oh and even more, USA attacked afhganistan and killed innocent 
people without bringing a proof that Usama Bin Laden is responsible ... one 
of the things that happened there is, destroying an Afghani hospital ? plz 
study the truth very well, don't just listen to your TV, it's edited to 
blind you, use your mind to figure the truth out, our TV may blind us too by 
the way, but I think deeper.

>is no longer going to REACT, it from now on will PRO-ACT. And that's

sacrastic again...and kill innocent people in its PRO-ACT ?

>something the world is going to have to get used to. Before Sep11th, I 
>wou;d

So you dismiss justice ? i'm worried that saddam is going to be an angel if 
compared with you, return to justice plz.

>have disagree with the war. But as you know after Sep 11th we were attacked

Killing children doesn't have special circumstances where it's allowed, your 
hand is soiled in their blood. my hand too, because i didn't stand to defend 
them.

>with biological and weapons, which CANNOT be contained like communism. We

they didn't find these weapons so far, and they weren't found before the 
war, right ? or you attack for the possibilty even ?

>HAVE to take action against ANT THREAT before it can even get here. So it's
>all about life or dead.

It's all about innocent blood shed, but our god is fair, and days will make 
everyone responsible for innocent blood pay for it.

>I hope the US continues to be PROACTIVE in the face of biological or
>chemical threats and I hope some day the world understands that because 
>from
>now on there is no turning back.

you remind me of the matrix movie, no turning back, are they a herd of 
sheeps that you kill them with "no turning back" ? they are humans we should 
think 1000000 times before we kill one of them. return to justice plz.

your speech is no longer about justice, it's about pre-protection of yours, 
which means killing innocent children, and you could have avoided it if you 
didn't become our center of hatred, by what you did along the years with our 
brothers in palastine, now you are even going further, but there's a god 
above, who sees you, and hears you.

I'm really sorry for the mailing list, i promise not to post about this 
topic again, it's for Dev-C++ isn't it ? :)

Regards,
Khalid AL-Kary

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Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me!

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

See , I didn't say the main purpose of the US was to rescue those poor
people. However, the result of the US going in, will be peace, stability,
and much more lives will be saved than if saddam would stay.
The main purpose of us going in is our defense. Throughout the history of
the US and the world, all countries have REACTED to aggression.
Unfortunatelly,  September 11th, 2001 changed US and world history. The US
is no longer going to REACT, it from now on will PRO-ACT. And that's
something the world is going to have to get used to. Before Sep11th, I wou;d
have disagree with the war. But as you know after Sep 11th we were attacked
with biological and weapons, which CANNOT be contained like communism. We
HAVE to take action against ANT THREAT before it can even get here. So it's
all about life or dead.
I hope the US continues to be PROACTIVE in the face of biological or
chemical threats and I hope some day the world understands that because from
now on there is no turning back.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Khalid El-Kary" <kha...@ho...>
To: <Dev...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: [Dev-C++] Forgive me!


> Hi fellow,
>
> >You don't for civilians, if you did,  You you've rally to go to Iraq
since
> >the 80's when all the killing started.
>
> be percise, say exactly what happened in the 80's ?
> and our history shows that and old ruler of ours "Almo'tasem" went for
just
> one woman who called for his help ... and he beat the romans and saved her
> by the way.
>
> >250,000 innocent lives should ring
> >something somewhere.
>
> your hands are soiled in blood of innocent people and you are talking
about
> innocent lives ? http://www.ummah.org/unity/
>
> >By the way, Saddam has not only killed all those
> >people, he has killed by far more muslims than any any lider in the
> > >history
>
> who told you that i encourage saddam ? i know he is a damn one, but he
> should be removed by his own people, we don't agree that an external
someone
> comes in and sets a president for us, you won't accept that i come and
> remove bush without asking you, don't relate saddam to Islam plz, in our
> religion, saddam is supposed to be in hell in the doom. a good proof that
> saddam's people don't agree to remove him (at least in this way) that they
> all stood to you, and i think the latest 5 US soldiers who were killed are
a
> good proof for that.
>
> >of the world. You only have a problem with the US and UK going in, but
not
>
> saddam killed muslims more than any one in the world ? so sacrastic, you
> would better study history more man ... study what soviet did to muslims,
> study what serbia did to muslims in bosnia, study study study study ... oh
> study sabra and shatilla massacre ? study dier yassin massacre ? why not ?
>
> >people being killed.
>
> well, i assure you, if a US/UK soldier entered here i would kill him.
> not because he is american, but because he came to take my land, I die and
> my land lives, our grandfathers taught us that "Die with honour, but don't
> live with shame", it's justice, which we work to support, if my younger
> brother hits my younger sister, i would hit him just as he hit here,
because
> justice is the normal rule of life.
>
> >Per, I'LL STOP THIS THREAD WHEN THERE'S NO REPLY TO ISSUES THAT HIT HOME.
>
> you are not in the pentagon anyway. and plz, don't shout at me, i didn't
> reply to you with upper-case letters.
>
> Regards,
> Khaild Al-Kary
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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

So 250,00 dead civilians in the last two decades is moraly "ok" with you.
let face it Ioannis, you DON'T CARE ABOUT CIVILIANS, How many times do I
have to repeat myself. Saddam killed those 250,00 just because of what they
thought and you don't even mention that fact in your replies. YOU ONLY CARE
ABOUT the fact that that US and the UK are in another country, that's all..
Again, if you were concerned about those innocent people we are trying to
free, you would have been rallying against Saddam all your life. But you
turned a blind eye on that, and keep on doing so... talk about brain
washing! even on the face of real facts. Just turn on your TV and find out
who's shooting civilian trying to flee their town, who is using terrorists
tactics abusing our moral behavior, who is surrendering and then shooting us
taking advantage of our efforts to save lives, and who is torturing our
brave GIs when we give medical attention to Iraq's POWs. Remenber, before
cancer can kill you, doctors need to remove malign tissue, but not even the
best doctor could avoid removing some small amount of healthy tissue as
well.
Ioannis, I don't know where you are, but if you want to be like the Fresh
before WWII, go ahead. And if you think that the US government is killing
civilians in purpose, then with all due respect, you must have gone to
"Osama Bin Laden high school."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ioannis Vranos" <iv...@em...>
To: "'Santiago'" <sa...@ho...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge


To give few very recent examples.

US/UK are hitting directly citizens. For example they bombed a public market
in the day and eradicated a whole neighborhood. They were pciking human
members, like a palm with 5 fingers. A book with comics with batman in iraqi
language was the only thing that remained from a kid.
  US/UK news agencies said that Iraqis did it(!) and entioned it as a 25th
news with no video of the atrocities.

Today they bombed a central storehouse with medicines and food. People there
have got very disperate and have become kamikazes, yet US say that the "army
gets dressed as civilians"! US/UK do not capture soldiers as prisoners even
if they wave white flags, they kill them all!


US says that after the war UN will not undertake the restructuring of Iraq,
but they will keep the oil for themselves! They said to all governments that
"we do not do this war to give the resources to United Nations"!


They kill directly civilians, period. Daily we learn about unbelievable
atrocities, while at the same time we learn the crap that US feed their
citizens! US have become Nazistic!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awake!


(I am in Greece/Europe, not in Russia as you may think by my email address).


Ioannis Vranos

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[Dev-C++] Forgive me!

[Khalid El-K. <kha...@ho...>]

Hi fellow,

>You don't for civilians, if you did,  You you've rally to go to Iraq since
>the 80's when all the killing started.

be percise, say exactly what happened in the 80's ?
and our history shows that and old ruler of ours "Almo'tasem" went for just 
one woman who called for his help ... and he beat the romans and saved her 
by the way.

>250,000 innocent lives should ring
>something somewhere.

your hands are soiled in blood of innocent people and you are talking about 
innocent lives ? http://www.ummah.org/unity/

>By the way, Saddam has not only killed all those
>people, he has killed by far more muslims than any any lider in the 
> >history

who told you that i encourage saddam ? i know he is a damn one, but he 
should be removed by his own people, we don't agree that an external someone 
comes in and sets a president for us, you won't accept that i come and 
remove bush without asking you, don't relate saddam to Islam plz, in our 
religion, saddam is supposed to be in hell in the doom. a good proof that 
saddam's people don't agree to remove him (at least in this way) that they 
all stood to you, and i think the latest 5 US soldiers who were killed are a 
good proof for that.

>of the world. You only have a problem with the US and UK going in, but not

saddam killed muslims more than any one in the world ? so sacrastic, you 
would better study history more man ... study what soviet did to muslims, 
study what serbia did to muslims in bosnia, study study study study ... oh 
study sabra and shatilla massacre ? study dier yassin massacre ? why not ?

>people being killed.

well, i assure you, if a US/UK soldier entered here i would kill him.
not because he is american, but because he came to take my land, I die and 
my land lives, our grandfathers taught us that "Die with honour, but don't 
live with shame", it's justice, which we work to support, if my younger 
brother hits my younger sister, i would hit him just as he hit here, because 
justice is the normal rule of life.

>Per, I'LL STOP THIS THREAD WHEN THERE'S NO REPLY TO ISSUES THAT HIT HOME.

you are not in the pentagon anyway. and plz, don't shout at me, i didn't 
reply to you with upper-case letters.

Regards,
Khaild Al-Kary


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RE: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

Let's stop discussing in the list, my experience from people is that they do
not change easily. :) Noone can really convince the other, and in cases
where common ground could be found would need years of discussion so as
deceived people to realise what is going on.




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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Louis G. <lg...@ya...>]

Khalid: your note makes a lot of sense to me.

Bush invaded IRAQ because of Saddam's crimes against the Iraqi people. But
he didn't invade Isreal for Sharom's crimes against Palestinians. 

--- Khalid El-Kary <kha...@ho...> wrote:
> >I agree with peace in  Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to
> Iraq....
> >I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV
> peace
> >(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going
> in
> >and remove a sadistic regime.
> 
> 
> is this peace for you, http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/
> 
> it's not a place for discussing politics ... but the one who told you
> that 
> USA and UK went there for peace is kidding you ... Civilians being hit
> in 
> this war are a big proof, if i was Iraqi, i would have fought to death.
> 
> Iraq contains, mass-destruction weapons, how about Israel ?
> 
> sorry, but i had to reply, ignore if you do want to stop such a topic.
> 
> regards :)
> Khalid Al-Kary
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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

You don't for civilians, if you did,  You you've rally to go to Iraq since
the 80's when all the killing started. 250,000 innocent lives should ring
something somewhere. By the way, Saddam has not only killed all those
people, he has killed by far more muslims than any any lider in the history
of the world. You only have a problem with the US and UK going in, but not
people being killed.

Per, I'LL STOP THIS THREAD WHEN THERE'S NO REPLY TO ISSUES THAT HIT HOME.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Khalid El-Kary" <kha...@ho...>
To: <Dev...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge


> >I agree with peace in  Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq....
> >I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace
> >(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in
> >and remove a sadistic regime.
>
>
> is this peace for you, http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/
>
> it's not a place for discussing politics ... but the one who told you that
> USA and UK went there for peace is kidding you ... Civilians being hit in
> this war are a big proof, if i was Iraqi, i would have fought to death.
>
> Iraq contains, mass-destruction weapons, how about Israel ?
>
> sorry, but i had to reply, ignore if you do want to stop such a topic.
>
> regards :)
> Khalid Al-Kary
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Khalid El-K. <kha...@ho...>]

>Please let's have an immediate stop to this thread.
>
>There's a lot of different opinions among the readers of this group. Let's
>not alienate one or the other side. Let everyone decide for themself what
>they believe in and how they define piece etc...
>
>/Per W

sorry, i hadn't read your post before i sent my message *shy*
Ignore my mail :)

have a nice time ...



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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Khalid El-K. <kha...@ho...>]

>I agree with peace in  Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq....
>I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace
>(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in
>and remove a sadistic regime.


is this peace for you, http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/

it's not a place for discussing politics ... but the one who told you that 
USA and UK went there for peace is kidding you ... Civilians being hit in 
this war are a big proof, if i was Iraqi, i would have fought to death.

Iraq contains, mass-destruction weapons, how about Israel ?

sorry, but i had to reply, ignore if you do want to stop such a topic.

regards :)
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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

Please let's have an immediate stop to this thread.

There's a lot of different opinions among the readers of this group. Let's
not alienate one or the other side. Let everyone decide for themself what
they believe in and how they define piece etc...

/Per W

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Santiago wrote:

> Ioannis,
>
> I agree with peace in  Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq....
> I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace
> (perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in
> and remove a sadistic regime.
>
> Santiago
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ioannis Vranos" <iv...@em...>
> To: "Dev-C++ Mailing List" <dev...@li...>
> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge
>
>
> > I had sent this before but I never saw it arriving. So I resend:
> >
> >
> > Sorry for bothering you with this, but I think you may find it useful.
> >
> >
> > Iraq Peace Pledge official site: http://www.peacepledge.org
> >
> >
> >
> > If you do not care, my apologies for bothering you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ioannis Vranos
> >
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Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge

[Santiago <sa...@ho...>]

Ioannis,

I agree with peace in  Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq....
I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace
(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in
and remove a sadistic regime.

Santiago


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To: "Dev-C++ Mailing List" <dev...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge


> I had sent this before but I never saw it arriving. So I resend:
>
>
> Sorry for bothering you with this, but I think you may find it useful.
>
>
> Iraq Peace Pledge official site: http://www.peacepledge.org
>
>
>
> If you do not care, my apologies for bothering you.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ioannis Vranos
>
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