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Fw: [Dev-C++] GCC 3.2 & Fltk libs

[Derick v. N. <der...@go...>]

I went scratching around in the DevCpp directories and I came accross a
template for fltk! If anyone is following this thread and has the same
problems, here is what I came up with. The minimum libs required to compile
FLTK applications vith DevCpp are these:
-lfltk
-lole32
-luuid
-lcomctl32
-lwsock32
-lgdi32

In the template there is also a (-lm) but the programs seem to compile fine
without it. Maybe I'll find out what it is for at a later stage...

I couldn't find anything on the web about this, so hopefully at some stage,
this (archived?) message will help someone that has the same problems.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Derick van Niekerk" <der...@go...>
To: "DevCPP" <dev...@li...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] GCC 3.2 & Fltk libs


OK. So I tried to compile a minimal FLTK program and removed any unneeded
library links. Now it doesn't work anymore.

What do I need to link for a minimal program (i.e. the hello world program
in the manual).

If someone could point me to a resource where I might find info like this it
would also be greatly appreciated.

This is what I am currently linking to my program - what am I wanting?

-lfltk
-lwsock32
-lgdi32

-d-

(sorry Per for replying directly to you last time - how do I reply to the
list? I am forwarding to the list now)

Re: [Dev-C++] GCC 3.2 & Fltk libs

[Derick v. N. <der...@go...>]

OK. So I tried to compile a minimal FLTK program and removed any unneeded
library links. Now it doesn't work anymore.

What do I need to link for a minimal program (i.e. the hello world program
in the manual).

If someone could point me to a resource where I might find info like this it
would also be greatly appreciated.

This is what I am currently linking to my program - what am I wanting?

-lfltk
-lwsock32
-lgdi32

-d-

(sorry Per for replying directly to you last time - how do I reply to the
list? I am forwarding to the list now)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Westermark" <pw...@ia...>
To: "Derick van Niekerk" <der...@go...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] GCC 3.2 & Fltk libs


It's the graphics subsystem of windows.

/Per W

On Thu, 8 May 2003, Derick van Niekerk wrote:

> Now it does!!! Thanks a lot! I couldn't find an answer in google or even
the
> fltk manuals.
>
> What is in the gdi32 library? For what else would I need it?
>
> thanks.
> -d-

[Dev-C++] libregex

[michel.weinachter <mic...@fr...>]

You could use the libregex library included in the imagelib devpack 
(vupdate or http://michel.weinachter.free.fr)

bye

[Dev-C++] Structures and Arrays and Pointers, Oh My!

[David M. <ci...@ya...>]

Ok, I am having trouble using the above 3 together. Slay_msg is a array of pointers to characters (strings)struct pc_data {  char * slay_msg[3];} //a pointer to pc_data is a member of the char_data struct.struct char_data {   ...   pc_data *  pcdata;} //A pointer is declared of type char_data and initalized to the required values.char_data * ch = new char_data; //Assume everything has been initalized. My question is: How do I access the strings in the array slay_msg? ch->pcdata->slay_msg[<index here>];seemed logical to me. however I am getting Null pointer assertion errors and nothing is done.when a '&' is placed before the ch it causes a crash. I am about to try putting a '*' before thech though I seriously doubt this will work. N.B. As is this is a pure C program. I would like to leave it that way. 

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Re: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?

[David M. <dem...@uw...>]

I recently saw my first example of a high-quality program written in
Dev-C++.  The N64 emulator Mupen64 was written entirely with Dev-C++, which
I believe is a great first step.

At 06:27 PM 08/05/2003 +0200, h.r...@gm... wrote:
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> I am new to the world of C and C++. I came to know about the Dev-C++. Is
>> Dev-C++ a tool used by beginners? Is this tool used to produce a
>> commercial
>> products also? I have this question because I was reading an article
>> called
>> "Getting Started with C++" on the http://www.cprogramming.com/begin.html
>> page that said "For beginners, Bloodshed Dev, which uses a windows
>> interface, is a free and easy-to-use compiler. ".
>>=20
>> Do you have any suggestion as which path should I take as I am learning C
>> and C++. Should I use Dev-C++ or Borland C++ 6 or Microsoft C/C++.
>>=20
>> Thanx for all the ideas.
>>=20
>> TAM
>>=20
>Hi,=20
>
>the compiler is gcc, adaption for windows is mingw and the ide is dev-cpp.
>That means, if you use dev-cpp you use gcc, one of the best compiler=
 aviable.
>It is much more compliant to the c++ standard as e.g. vc++. The ide dev-cpp
>is easy to use, just right for the beginner (and other of course).
>And dev-cpp, mingw (gcc) are free !
>
>I think it would be the best choice to start with dev-cpp
>
>greetings
>Horst
>
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RE: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?

[Ioannis V. <iv...@at...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of TAM
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:37 PM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am new to the world of C and C++. I came to know about the 
> Dev-C++. Is
> Dev-C++ a tool used by beginners? Is this tool used to 
> produce a commercial
> products also? I have this question because I was reading an 
> article called
> "Getting Started with C++" on the 
> http://www.cprogramming.com/begin.html
> page that said "For 
> beginners, Bloodshed Dev, which uses a windows
> interface, is a free and easy-to-use compiler. ".
> 
> Do you have any suggestion as which path should I take as I 
> am learning C
> and C++. Should I use Dev-C++ or Borland C++ 6 or Microsoft C/C++.
> 
> Thanx for all the ideas.


My suggestion is read an introductory book to learn the basic stuff of the
language at first. The language is defined by the ANSI/ISO C++ standard.
Then you can read the "The C++ Programming Language" 3rd Edition or Special
Edition by Bjarne Stroustrup (the creator of C++) to learn the rest of the
language and also learn an API of a platform you are going to code to (e.g.
Windows platform, .NET framework). Dev-C++ uses the MINGW compiler which
supports the ANSI/ISO C and C++ standards (C and C++ are different
languages) and currently provides support for the Win32 API. So it is OK to
use it to write ANSI/ISO C++ conformant code and C++ code that uses the
Win32 API.





Ioannis Vranos
 
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[Dev-C++] Re: Longhorn

[Samuel K. <ib...@ly...>]

So what does all this mean to open source? If they are making a new windows sdk that has special license restrictions, will that phase minGW and other's ability to make compilers that can compile code for the next OS generation? 


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Re: [Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium

[<or...@vp...>]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> Yes. But you can to not receive if you want. :)

Again, this is ridiculous...

> It took years to crack XBOX to make it feasible.

But they did it! :)

> I did not say l like MS. I am justing providing the list with some
> developments in the MS world. :) I am not an MS fanatic.

BTW, thank you for info on M$ development. Anyway, I have never even 
heard of Longhorn. I heared first from you :)
I may be considered an anti-M$ fanatic then :)

> Except of that, any API usage is non-standard. Regarding ISO conformance I
> must say although (as with other things) they were completely idiots the
> latest VC++ .NET 2003 is highly standard conformant. Btw .NET is a very easy
> API, I really hate Win32 API (which also came from MS).

*I hate both!* :)
That's why I use wxWindows!

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Re: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?

[Rodolfo O. <cod...@ya...>]

DevC++ is OpenSource...
You are the beginner...
The tools are for programmers... beginners and experts...
use any one you want...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TAM" <tmp...@sh...>
To: <dev...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:37 AM
Subject: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?


> Hi,
>
> I am new to the world of C and C++. I came to know about the Dev-C++. Is
> Dev-C++ a tool used by beginners? Is this tool used to produce a
commercial
> products also? I have this question because I was reading an article
called
> "Getting Started with C++" on the http://www.cprogramming.com/begin.html
> page that said "For beginners, Bloodshed Dev, which uses a windows
> interface, is a free and easy-to-use compiler. ".
>
> Do you have any suggestion as which path should I take as I am learning C
> and C++. Should I use Dev-C++ or Borland C++ 6 or Microsoft C/C++.
>
> Thanx for all the ideas.
>
> TAM
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?

[<h.r...@gm...>]

> Hi,
> 
> I am new to the world of C and C++. I came to know about the Dev-C++. Is
> Dev-C++ a tool used by beginners? Is this tool used to produce a
> commercial
> products also? I have this question because I was reading an article
> called
> "Getting Started with C++" on the http://www.cprogramming.com/begin.html
> page that said "For beginners, Bloodshed Dev, which uses a windows
> interface, is a free and easy-to-use compiler. ".
> 
> Do you have any suggestion as which path should I take as I am learning C
> and C++. Should I use Dev-C++ or Borland C++ 6 or Microsoft C/C++.
> 
> Thanx for all the ideas.
> 
> TAM
> 
Hi, 

the compiler is gcc, adaption for windows is mingw and the ide is dev-cpp.
That means, if you use dev-cpp you use gcc, one of the best compiler aviable.
It is much more compliant to the c++ standard as e.g. vc++. The ide dev-cpp
is easy to use, just right for the beginner (and other of course).
And dev-cpp, mingw (gcc) are free !

I think it would be the best choice to start with dev-cpp

greetings
Horst

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RE: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?

[Ken B. <ke...@al...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...
> [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of TAM
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:37 AM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new to the world of C and C++. I came to know about the Dev-C++. Is
> Dev-C++ a tool used by beginners? Is this tool used to produce a
> commercial
> products also? I have this question because I was reading an
> article called
> "Getting Started with C++" on the http://www.cprogramming.com/begin.html
> page that said "For beginners, Bloodshed Dev, which uses a windows
> interface, is a free and easy-to-use compiler. ".
>
> Do you have any suggestion as which path should I take as I am learning C
> and C++. Should I use Dev-C++ or Borland C++ 6 or Microsoft C/C++.
>
> Thanx for all the ideas.
>
> TAM

Dev-C++ is an Integrated Developement Environment (IDE) which uses the Gnu
compiler. The Gnu compiler can be (and often is) used without Dev-C++. Go
ahead and use it; it's free and non-proprietary. You'll have no trouble
adapting to M$ Visual C+ later. The opposite may not be true. If you get
hooked on wxWindows you may never want to use M$ Visual C+ ;-)

The Gnu compiler is the heart. Spend a little time using it by it's self
from a command line and editing with any old ascii text editor to get a feel
for things at first.

Ken Bradford
Alpha II Service, Inc.

[Dev-C++] Is Dev-C++ a beginners tool?

[TAM <tmp...@sh...>]

Hi,

I am new to the world of C and C++. I came to know about the Dev-C++. Is
Dev-C++ a tool used by beginners? Is this tool used to produce a commercial
products also? I have this question because I was reading an article called
"Getting Started with C++" on the http://www.cprogramming.com/begin.html
page that said "For beginners, Bloodshed Dev, which uses a windows
interface, is a free and easy-to-use compiler. ".

Do you have any suggestion as which path should I take as I am learning C
and C++. Should I use Dev-C++ or Borland C++ 6 or Microsoft C/C++.

Thanx for all the ideas.

TAM

Re: [Dev-C++] GCC 3.2 & Fltk libs

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

Does your project contain gdi32.lib?

/Per W


On Thu, 8 May 2003, Derick van Niekerk wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I want to start using the FLTK library to write some GUI programs, but I keep receiving errors when I link to the library. It is most likely a GCC 3.2 issue. Is there any way to get the libraries without having to recompile them? I am afraid I have been spoiled by the DevCpp package manager...
>
> Thanks
> -d-
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(Fl.o)(.text+0x74a):Fl.cxx: undefined reference to `DeleteObject@4'
> C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(Fl.o)(.text+0x1615):Fl.cxx: undefined reference to `DeleteObject@4'
> C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(Fl.o)(.text+0x172c):Fl.cxx: undefined reference to `CreateRectRgn@16'
>
> <snip>
> about another zillion fails go here
> <snip>
>
> C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(fl_vertex.o)(.text+0x984):fl_vertex.cxx: undefined reference to `SelectObject@8'
> C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(fl_vertex.o)(.text+0x9a5):fl_vertex.cxx: undefined reference to `Pie@36'
> C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(fl_draw_image.o)(.text+0x559):fl_draw_image.cxx: undefined reference to `SetDIBitsToDevice@48'
>
> make.exe: *** [hello.exe] Error 1
>
> Execution terminated
>
> ----------------------------------------------

[Dev-C++] GCC 3.2 & Fltk libs

[Derick v. N. <der...@go...>]

Hi guys,

I want to start using the FLTK library to write some GUI programs, but I =
keep receiving errors when I link to the library. It is most likely a =
GCC 3.2 issue. Is there any way to get the libraries without having to =
recompile them? I am afraid I have been spoiled by the DevCpp package =
manager...

Thanks
-d-

---------------------------------------

C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(Fl.o)(.text+0x74a):Fl.cxx: undefined reference =
to `DeleteObject@4'
C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(Fl.o)(.text+0x1615):Fl.cxx: undefined reference =
to `DeleteObject@4'
C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(Fl.o)(.text+0x172c):Fl.cxx: undefined reference =
to `CreateRectRgn@16'

<snip>
about another zillion fails go here
<snip>

C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(fl_vertex.o)(.text+0x984):fl_vertex.cxx: =
undefined reference to `SelectObject@8'
C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(fl_vertex.o)(.text+0x9a5):fl_vertex.cxx: =
undefined reference to `Pie@36'
C:/Dev-Cpp/lib/libfltk.a(fl_draw_image.o)(.text+0x559):fl_draw_image.cxx:=
 undefined reference to `SetDIBitsToDevice@48'

make.exe: *** [hello.exe] Error 1

Execution terminated

----------------------------------------------

Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn

[Paul B. <pa...@ad...>]

I used to use Amigas, most the programs where much smaller than the Windo=
ws
versions and used less memory. There was a word processing program that h=
ad
an Amiga version and a Windows one they were basically the same, but the
Amiga
version required about 2MB of memory while the Windows one needed 8MB.


----- Original Message -----
From: "jose isaias cabrera" <ji...@fr...>
To: <dev...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn



I still have my Amiga 1000, which at 7Mhz with 8M RAM, has faster speed t=
han
most machines today.  The programs were so small in size, I only have a 1=
28M
hard drive and I have 5 partitions on it.  I have music software there, I
have compilers, games, a ABasic program that is over 20000 lines, and wor=
d
processing gallore and more.  What happened?


----- Original Message -----
From: "OROSZI Bal=E1zs" <or...@vp...>
To: <dev...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn


> David Matthews wrote:
> > I must say that I find these updates very interesting.  I don't mind
> > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least.
The
> > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered
this
> > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384=
MB
of
> > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card."  I wouldn't exactly cal=
l
that
> > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my
> > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.)  And why doe=
s
> > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the
screen
> > aid my computing experiance? :\
>
> *You are absolutely right!*
> If THAT is low-level, what is this:
> Celeron 433MHz
> 256 MB RAM
> GeForce2 MX400 32 MB
>
> Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed.
> Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention.
> Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples
> attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking...
>
> Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all the securit=
y
> bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in Longhorn,
> what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an accidental bug -
> they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...)
>
> I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER
> upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything,
> then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer
> being watched - specially not by Microsoft...
>
> --
> Greetings,
>    Bal=E1zs
>
>
>
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RE: [Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

Was it 4-6 month it took for the first good-enough X-Box crack? Now there
exists a large number of work-arounds for getting the hands on your
lawfully purchased machine.

/Per W

On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dev...@li...
> > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf
> > Of OROSZI Balazs
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:10 PM
> > To: dev...@li...
> > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium
> >
> >
> > I see. So OTHERS can limit your freedom on YOUR OWN machine - I must
> > laugh ***.
> >
> > > In a sense, the sender and the receiver must both agree.
> > Nothing you do not
> > > agree will not happen in your PC. That in theory of course.
> >
> > But you said, that email will be deleted after 3 days. Now it
> > will, or not?
>
>
>
> Yes. But you can to not receive if you want. :)
>
>
>
> > > Even XBOX  with high security measures in hardware level
> > was cracked, and
> > > even Linux can run on it.
> >
> > Linux can run everywhere :)
>
>
> It took years to crack XBOX to make it feasible.
>
>
>
>
> > > That's all for now, I am getting to my VC++ .NET book now.
> >
> > You mean, your "How to write incompatible, non-standard
> > programs" book?
> > Sorry, it was a must :) - I simply hate M$...
>
>
>
> I did not say l like MS. I am justing providing the list with some
> developments in the MS world. :) I am not an MS fanatic.
>
> Except of that, any API usage is non-standard. Regarding ISO conformance I
> must say although (as with other things) they were completely idiots the
> latest VC++ .NET 2003 is highly standard conformant. Btw .NET is a very easy
> API, I really hate Win32 API (which also came from MS).
>
>
>
>
> Ioannis Vranos
>
> * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
> * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
> * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium

[Ioannis V. <iv...@at...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...=20
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20
> Of OROSZI Balazs
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:10 PM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium
>=20
>=20
> I see. So OTHERS can limit your freedom on YOUR OWN machine - I must=20
> laugh ***.
>=20
> > In a sense, the sender and the receiver must both agree.=20
> Nothing you do not
> > agree will not happen in your PC. That in theory of course.
>=20
> But you said, that email will be deleted after 3 days. Now it=20
> will, or not?



Yes. But you can to not receive if you want. :)


=20
> > Even XBOX  with high security measures in hardware level=20
> was cracked, and
> > even Linux can run on it.
>=20
> Linux can run everywhere :)


It took years to crack XBOX to make it feasible.



=20
> > That's all for now, I am getting to my VC++ .NET book now.
>=20
> You mean, your "How to write incompatible, non-standard=20
> programs" book?
> Sorry, it was a must :) - I simply hate M$...



I did not say l like MS. I am justing providing the list with some
developments in the MS world. :) I am not an MS fanatic.

Except of that, any API usage is non-standard. Regarding ISO conformance =
I
must say although (as with other things) they were completely idiots the
latest VC++ .NET 2003 is highly standard conformant. Btw .NET is a very =
easy
API, I really hate Win32 API (which also came from MS).




Ioannis Vranos
=20
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* Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
* Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net

Re: [Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium

[<or...@vp...>]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> Palladium will not search your mp3s so as to check them (although in a sense
> media player is currently already doing it). Palladium safeguards what
> information is sent to the internet so as to protect your privacy, or what
> software you are running according to the user's criteria. That is if the
> sender sends you an mp3 file and specifies it to not be copied to a cd or to
> be forwarded to someone else, you will not be able to do it. If you send an
> email and specify it to be erased after 3 days, it will happen.

I see. So OTHERS can limit your freedom on YOUR OWN machine - I must 
laugh ***.

> In a sense, the sender and the receiver must both agree. Nothing you do not
> agree will not happen in your PC. That in theory of course.

But you said, that email will be deleted after 3 days. Now it will, or not?

> Even XBOX  with high security measures in hardware level was cracked, and
> even Linux can run on it.

Linux can run everywhere :)

> That's all for now, I am getting to my VC++ .NET book now.

You mean, your "How to write incompatible, non-standard programs" book?
Sorry, it was a must :) - I simply hate M$...

--
Greetings,
   Balázs

Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn

[jose i. c. <ji...@fr...>]

I still have my Amiga 1000, which at 7Mhz with 8M RAM, has faster speed than
most machines today.  The programs were so small in size, I only have a 128M
hard drive and I have 5 partitions on it.  I have music software there, I
have compilers, games, a ABasic program that is over 20000 lines, and word
processing gallore and more.  What happened?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "OROSZI Balázs" <or...@vp...>
To: <dev...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn


> David Matthews wrote:
> > I must say that I find these updates very interesting.  I don't mind
> > finding out new tidbits that M$ releases about Longhorn in the least.
The
> > bit that got me though was the "The underlying hardware that powered
this
> > graphical wonder was a relatively low-level 1.5GHz Pentium 4 with 384MB
of
> > RAM and ATI's RADEON 9700 3-D graphics card."  I wouldn't exactly call
that
> > a low-level in my experiance, and if I'm wrong then I'm worried (my
> > computer being a P3 933MHz, 128MB RAM, ATI Rage128 Pro.)  And why does
> > having a window bend under the "speed" of being dragged across the
screen
> > aid my computing experiance? :\
>
> *You are absolutely right!*
> If THAT is low-level, what is this:
> Celeron 433MHz
> 256 MB RAM
> GeForce2 MX400 32 MB
>
> Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed.
> Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention.
> Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples
> attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking...
>
> Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all the security
> bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in Longhorn,
> what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an accidental bug -
> they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...)
>
> I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER
> upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything,
> then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer
> being watched - specially not by Microsoft...
>
> --
> Greetings,
>    Balázs
>
>
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RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

With more horse-power, we don't need a database file-system. Smarter file
systems should only be needed for allowing more to be done with same or
less computing power.

Right now we need third-party tools to scan directories and files and
build separate search indices. These concepts work. All we need - and may
already have with file-system plugins - is filters that hooks all updates
to keep the indices updated instead of having to rebuild them every night.


/Per W

On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dev...@li...
> > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf
> > Of OROSZI Balazs
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: dev...@li...
> > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> >
> > *You are absolutely right!*
> > If THAT is low-level, what is this:
> > Celeron 433MHz
> > 256 MB RAM
> > GeForce2 MX400 32 MB
> >
> > Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed.
> > Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention.
> > Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples
> > attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking...
> >
> > Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all
> > the security
> > bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in
> > Longhorn,
> > what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an
> > accidental bug -
> > they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...)
> >
> > I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER
> > upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything,
> > then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer
> > being watched - specially not by Microsoft...
>
>
>
> You remind me the old days when I was talking with my friends that Windows
> 3.x/95 had nothing new to offer, and we were already doing whatever we
> needed with DOS. :) Well, the truth is that indeed we are wasting a lot of
> horsepower for graphics, icons etc. But then how less-technical-savvy* could
> join computers and that means to get more customers?
>
> Now with the data base file system (WinFS)  where you will not search for
> jpgs but for "my christmas photos", or "my emails of 24/12/2003" you will
> need more horse power so as the system to analyze your phrases, but that
> will help more less-technical-savvy* to join.
>
>
> In a technical note, as horse power increases the abstraction will increase
> too. And this in all levels, user experience, programming apis etc.
>
>
>
> * less-technical-savvy= Some people call them amusingly as "idiots".
>
>
>
> Ioannis Vranos
>
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RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:

> first revealed. But I will add this now: There is a ton of misinformation
> about Palladium out there on the Net ("It will require proprietary Microsoft
> changes to TCP/IP," "It won't run on Linux," and other similar claptrap),
> but most of that is completely untrue. People fear what they don't
> understand, but Palladium is about securing the PC, plain and simple."
>

Often when M$ is involved, they - and writers friendly with them - put out
a lot of the above messages. However, actual facts about how the
misinformation is misinformation is usually missing, i.e. M$ seldom
informs about how the concept will work without breaking havoc. If every
software is encrypted with something similar to SSL certificates, and a
private key for a company gets stolen - how will the systems then block
the bad guy from releasing nice viruses signed as commersial utilities. If
the original certificate is revoked - will that revoke your right to run
the original utilities?

Filtering of all information received on internet before you may see it.
Sounds very hard to do without breaking all existing protocols.

M$ talks a lot about protecting our documents, but a lot less about how an
end-user might create an own video and allow everyone to download it -
since the user has the copyright, he must be allowed to create a video
which allows more than one level of copying. But at the same time, he
should not be able to take an existing - commersial - video and make a lot
of copies of it. Most of tehse teknologies, when you read the fine print,
does break the end-user and small-developer rights. The companies always
says that you just have to get package xx and then you are home-free. The
courts and poloticians never think about the price of these packages and
licenses.

/Per W

>
>
>
>
> Ioannis Vranos
>
> * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
> * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
> * Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Per Westermark [mailto:pw...@ia...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:35 PM
> > To: Ioannis Vranos
> > Cc: dev...@li...
> > Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> >
> >
> > I don't think too many end users thinks of Palladium as
> > exciting. A lot of
> > smaller software developers will also get in trouble because
> > of Palladium.
> > If they can't afford to run Safe then they can't deliver
> > software. If M$
> > on the other hand gives away Palladium SDK for free, all
> > virus developers
> > will then support Palladium too, completely negating any use
> > of Palladium.
> >
> > /Per W
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dev...@li...
> > > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On
> > Behalf Of iad929
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:12 AM
> > > > To: dev...@li...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To add something, This new version of Windows will be
> > called Trusted
> > > > Windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's Palladium (Trustworthy Computing) , not Longhorn
> > (which will be
> > > included in Longhorn). Palladium is a safe execution
> > environment. The
> > > software will run in safe and unsafe mode.
> > >
> > >
> > > "But future Windows versions promise to be even more
> > exciting. The next
> > > major desktop Windows release, code-named Longhorn, is due
> > in 2005 and will
> > > include Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing (Palladium)
> > architectural changes,
> > > as well as a new 3D video-driven user interface and a SQL
> > Server-based file
> > > system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS). The next
> > Windows Server
> > > release, code-named Blackcomb, will likely ship a few years
> > after Longhorn."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ioannis Vranos
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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[Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

According with the current preliminary info Longhorn will have 3 GUI
options. Full use experience, medium user experience, and the current 2D
style GUI stuff for older machines.

Palladium will not search your mp3s so as to check them (although in a =
sense
media player is currently already doing it). Palladium safeguards what
information is sent to the internet so as to protect your privacy, or =
what
software you are running according to the user's criteria. That is if =
the
sender sends you an mp3 file and specifies it to not be copied to a cd =
or to
be forwarded to someone else, you will not be able to do it. If you send =
an
email and specify it to be erased after 3 days, it will happen.

In a sense, the sender and the receiver must both agree. Nothing you do =
not
agree will not happen in your PC. That in theory of course.


I find it difficult that someone out there will not have modified =
hardware,
but it will be more difficult to do  bad things than what it is now. =
That
said, I think that the cat and mouse run will keep going, that is new
security measures will be added while the old ones will be getting
circumvented.

Even XBOX  with high security measures in hardware level was cracked, =
and
even Linux can run on it.


That's all for now, I am getting to my VC++ .NET book now.



Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
* Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net

[Dev-C++] Some more notes about Longhron/Palladium

[Ioannis V. <iv...@em...>]

According with the current preliminary info Longhorn will have 3 GUI
options. Full use experience, medium user experience, and the current 2D
style GUI stuff for older machines.

Palladium will not search your mp3s so as to check them (although in a =
sense
media player is currently already doing it). Palladium safeguards what
information is sent to the internet so as to protect your privacy, or =
what
software you are running according to the user's criteria. That is if =
the
sender sends you an mp3 file and specifies it to not be copied to a cd =
or to
be forwarded to someone else, you will not be able to do it. If you send =
an
email and specify it to be erased after 3 days, it will happen.

In a sense, the sender and the receiver must both agree. Nothing you do =
not
agree will not happen in your PC. That in theory of course.


I find it difficult that someone out there will not have modified =
hardware,
but it will be more difficult to do  bad things than what it is now. =
That
said, I think that the cat and mouse run will keep going, that is new
security measures will be added while the old ones will be getting
circumvented.

Even XBOX  with high security measures in hardware level was cracked, =
and
even Linux can run on it.


That's all for now, I am getting to my VC++ .NET book now.



Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
* Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net

RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn

[Ioannis V. <iv...@at...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...=20
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20
> Of OROSZI Balazs
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
>=20
> *You are absolutely right!*
> If THAT is low-level, what is this:
> Celeron 433MHz
> 256 MB RAM
> GeForce2 MX400 32 MB
>=20
> Is this already junk then? I can play UT2003 with decent speed.
> Probably M$ adds this all eye-candy stuff to get people's attention.=20
> Through the time of history, it was *ALWAYS* easier to get peoples=20
> attention with *visual* beauty, rather than rational thinking...
>=20
> Of course, this "bending" and other nonsense will cover all=20
> the security=20
> bugs, and will drive off the attention from the backdoors in=20
> Longhorn,=20
> what M$ leaves behind for himself. (Nimda not used an=20
> accidental bug -=20
> they just found the backdoor what M$ left behind for itself...)
>=20
> I'm still using Win98, but mostly for playing. I think I will NEVER=20
> upgrade any higher. If Win98 will no longer be supported by anything,=20
> then I will move to Linux and KDE. I don't like my personal computer=20
> being watched - specially not by Microsoft...



You remind me the old days when I was talking with my friends that =
Windows
3.x/95 had nothing new to offer, and we were already doing whatever we
needed with DOS. :) Well, the truth is that indeed we are wasting a lot =
of
horsepower for graphics, icons etc. But then how less-technical-savvy* =
could
join computers and that means to get more customers?

Now with the data base file system (WinFS)  where you will not search =
for
jpgs but for "my christmas photos", or "my emails of 24/12/2003" you =
will
need more horse power so as the system to analyze your phrases, but that
will help more less-technical-savvy* to join.=20


In a technical note, as horse power increases the abstraction will =
increase
too. And this in all levels, user experience, programming apis etc.



* less-technical-savvy=3D Some people call them amusingly as "idiots".



Ioannis Vranos
=20
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* Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
* Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net

RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn

[Ioannis V. <iv...@at...>]

"Q: What's with this Palladium stuff I keep hearing about?

A: One of the most exciting aspects of Longhorn is its optional =
integration
with Palladium, Microsoft's technology for realizing its Trustworthy
Computing vision. Palladium is basically a secure run-time environment =
for
Windows and other operating systems that allows a coming generation of
software applications and services to protect the end user from privacy
invasion, outside hacking, spam, and other electronic attacks. Palladium
requires special hardware security chips and microprocessors (which will =
be
made by Intel and AMD) and doesn't interfere with the normal operation =
of
the PC. That is, Palladium-based PCs will still operate normally, =
working
with legacy operating systems and applications. But specially-made =
Palladium
applications and services will offer a range of features of =
functionality
not found in the non-Palladium world, and if the initiative is =
successful,
we'll one day be running only Palladium-based software.

If you're familiar with the .NET model, you might be aware of the notion =
of
"managed" and "non-managed" (or legacy) code. Palladium will institute a
similar model for PC software, where a trusted execution mode is used =
for
Palladium applications and services and the old, "untrusted" mode is =
used
for legacy code.

Microsoft designed Palladium around the following ideals:=20

Palladium will tell you who you're dealing with online, and what they're
doing. It will uniquely identify you to your PC and can limit what =
arrives
(and runs on) that computer. Information that comes in from the Internet
will be verified before you can access it.=20
Palladium protects information using encryption to seal data so that =
"snoops
and thieves are thwarted." The system can maintain document integrity so
that documents can't be altered without your knowledge.=20
Palladium stops viruses and worms. The system won't run unauthorized
programs, preventing viruses from trashing your system.=20
Palladium stops spam. Spam will be stopped before it even hits your =
email
inbox. Unsolicited mail that you might actually want to receive will be
allowed through if it has credentials that meet your user-defined =
standards.

Palladium safeguards privacy. In addition to the system's ability to =
seal
data on your PC, Palladium can also seal data sent across the Internet =
using
software agents that ensure the data reaches only the proper people.
Newsweek reports that the agent has been nicknamed "My Man," a goof on =
".NET
My Services," "My Documents," and other similar names at Microsoft.=20
Palladium controls information after it's sent from your PC. Using =
Digital
Rights Management (DRM) technology, Palladium can be used to securely
distribute music, movies, and other intellectual property securely over =
the
Internet. Movie studios and the recording industry could use this =
technology
to let their customers exercise their fair use rights to copy audio CDs =
and
movies, for example. "It's a funny thing," says Bill Gates. "We came at =
this
thinking about music, but then we realized that e-mail and documents =
were
far more interesting domains." Gates says that Palladium could ensure =
that
email designated as private could not be forwarded or copied to other
people, for example. Or, the Newsweek reports reads, "you could create =
Word
documents that could be read only in the next week. In all cases, it =
would
be the user, not Microsoft, who sets these policies."=20

You can find out more about Palladium in my WinInfo article, Microsoft's
Secret Plan to Secure the PC, which was written when this initiative was
first revealed. But I will add this now: There is a ton of =
misinformation
about Palladium out there on the Net ("It will require proprietary =
Microsoft
changes to TCP/IP," "It won't run on Linux," and other similar =
claptrap),
but most of that is completely untrue. People fear what they don't
understand, but Palladium is about securing the PC, plain and simple."





Ioannis Vranos
=20
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* Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
* Alternative URL 2: http://www.noicys.cjb.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Per Westermark [mailto:pw...@ia...]=20
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:35 PM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Cc: dev...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
>=20
>=20
> I don't think too many end users thinks of Palladium as=20
> exciting. A lot of
> smaller software developers will also get in trouble because=20
> of Palladium.
> If they can't afford to run Safe then they can't deliver=20
> software. If M$
> on the other hand gives away Palladium SDK for free, all=20
> virus developers
> will then support Palladium too, completely negating any use=20
> of Palladium.
>=20
> /Per W
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
>=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dev...@li...
> > > [mailto:dev...@li...] On=20
> Behalf Of iad929
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:12 AM
> > > To: dev...@li...
> > > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Longhorn
> > >
> > >
> > > To add something, This new version of Windows will be=20
> called Trusted
> > > Windows.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's Palladium (Trustworthy Computing) , not Longhorn=20
> (which will be
> > included in Longhorn). Palladium is a safe execution=20
> environment. The
> > software will run in safe and unsafe mode.
> >
> >
> > "But future Windows versions promise to be even more=20
> exciting. The next
> > major desktop Windows release, code-named Longhorn, is due=20
> in 2005 and will
> > include Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing (Palladium)=20
> architectural changes,
> > as well as a new 3D video-driven user interface and a SQL=20
> Server-based file
> > system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS). The next=20
> Windows Server
> > release, code-named Blackcomb, will likely ship a few years=20
> after Longhorn."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ioannis Vranos
> >
> > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
> > * Alternative URL 1: http://run.to/noicys
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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