I checked on ebay for Delphi Pro 6 and the going price seems to be slightly less than $1K. Since I have no job at present, a family to support but much free time, I was wondering if there was a way to build DEC-C++ using an FOSS compiler?
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googled Borland +Delphi +Personal. Followed a half dozen results that mentioned 'free' and 'personal' on the first two pages. The chains all ended on the Borland site where 6 and 7 are no longer available for download. (CD keys are still available.) I did see a couple places where it was being sold in the $100(6) and $110(7) price range but I'm not sure they are current offers. There was a mention of a download size of 140Mb (which I could handle).
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Thanks. Pulled it but not yet installed. Still looking for a place to get Dephi6 Personal. (I made a small mistake searching and ended up on a warz page that sent my hard drive wild. Shut the machine down QUICK and ran three different kinds of scan to make sure I didn't pick up something nasty. Only strangeness was a few odd MRU list entries. Probably paranoia...)
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hmm. I don't read japanese and do not have japanese language capabilities installed on my browser, but poking around got me to what looked like a login screen. Can / should I use my Borland USA login here?
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if you google for the file with the same name but without jp extension, this site comes up: http://www.files.lt/, try putting the filename without JP in there. It gave me some results
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THANK YOU! That got me close enough to find the file. FTP is in the process of downloading it at the moment. Now if it just doesn't time out or something...
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Hmm. I think I have done a stupid. Running the downloaded .exe produced a directory tree, not a final installation. Running the 'install' in that tree brings up a nice splash screen that offers to install Delphi6. Pushing that button ends up nowhere. I suspect the msi...whatever installer got scrambled. I looked around and found a bunch of files in directories that strongly suggested where their contents should go and did the copying by hand. The result was runnable, but I suspect that I missed more than a little in the process.
I may have to burn that directory tree into a CD and see if that works, but I'd like to see if I can skip that.
I pulled up the project file from the 'src' distribution. It complained about bunches of stuff being missing starting with TSplitter. Any suggestions?
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OK. That helps a lot. The installation was incomplete so it doesn't know where VCL is. I'll have to figure out how to tell it where the missing stuff is. That will be sort of fun -- digging into yet another IDE's internal structure. I'll probably learn something new...
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I think I did a stupid by not burning a CD from the down load. Punching the Delphi6 instalation button on the splash screen boojumed if you know what I mean, and I kludged from there. I need to either back off and start over from scratch or kludge some more... You've been a great help and I may be able to get this going without more help. If not, I'll holler. Thanks again.
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why do you want to install delphi? are you planning to work on dev-cpp?
If you're still stuck in may, I may have a little more time by then to answer questions and help in general
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Two reasons: First, it is a marketable skill and will enhance my prospects of finding a good job.
> [A]re you planning to work on dev-cpp?
Second, it will let me work on Dev-Cpp. Again this will help with finding a good job, but more importantly I think I can actually contribute to the project. However it will take some time for me to get to the point where I know enough about DCs internals to actually be useful and convince others of my usefulness. I'd like to see some specific features added but it would not be reasonable to ask for them without offering a valuable consideration in return, like help fixing bugs and adding features that other people want.
> I['m] pretty sure you don't need to burn a cd.
You may be right, but I blew two attempts. Maybe I was too impatient. I'll try again...
> [I]t should work without a cd.
From the installation notes, that is correct, but as I said I tried twice and the dialog box just disapeared after it got part way into the installation. No error messages. Nothing in the task list. It is just possible that it was grinding away in the background. I'll run the system monitor next time so I'll have a better idea of what is really going on...
> [M]aybe try ebay? ...
That's a Delphi7 with a transatlantic shipping delay. Being an impatiant and tight fisted ... I'll try to get the download to work before making a delayed gratification move...
> If you're still stuck in may, I may have a little more time by then to answer questions and help in general[.]
Thank you for the offer. I'll feel prety stupid if I haven't made significant progress by then and I'll know that I'm out of my depth, but I'm not that desperate yet. Again, thanks.
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You know Marek, it might not be a bad idea to put something together on how to get the tools (like Delphi) needed to compile Dev from source. Step by step, links and directions, then what and where to download Dev, how to compile it.
You might end up with a few more people to help out. (Which, if one of them were me, might not be such a good thing ;)
Wayne
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Tried that. When I say I tried a couple times I don't mean just run the installer once. I mean clean things back to just the original down load, unpack it into a new directory and run every variant of 'install' and 'setup' I can find. When it comes to software I'm impatiant, tight-fisted and STUBORN. I'll find a way to get this working. I've got the IDE to the point where it runs. At worst I've got to find a few pieces that I missed in my hand installation...
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Progress! Something must have been eating my CPU before because the installation proceeded to a reasonable conclusion in a reasonable amount of time. The result was the same mess I had before but doing an uninstall, cleaning out all references to Borland in the registery and installing again got something that knew about TSplitters. Unballed the source distro again to make sure I was using an unmunged project file and turned the new instalation loose on it. Still some classes undefined but not an impossible number. Syntax check squacked a little. Build - 3 'hints', 3 warnings, no errors. Normal?
I think the next step should be to pull the current state of things from CVS and see if it builds. Right?
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I checked on ebay for Delphi Pro 6 and the going price seems to be slightly less than $1K. Since I have no job at present, a family to support but much free time, I was wondering if there was a way to build DEC-C++ using an FOSS compiler?
dev-c++ can be compiled with delphi 6 personal which is available for from from borland's website
typo: s/DEC/DEV/
I looked at http://www.borland.com/ in the download section and found a key for a CD, but not the actual distribution. More help please...
googled Borland +Delphi +Personal. Followed a half dozen results that mentioned 'free' and 'personal' on the first two pages. The chains all ended on the Borland site where 6 and 7 are no longer available for download. (CD keys are still available.) I did see a couple places where it was being sold in the $100(6) and $110(7) price range but I'm not sure they are current offers. There was a mention of a download size of 140Mb (which I could handle).
http://www.borland.co.jp/delphi/personal/
Only tangentially related to your question - I ran across this some months ago:
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
Wayne
dev-c++ can't be compiled with lazarus
there are way to many differences
Thanks. Pulled it but not yet installed. Still looking for a place to get Dephi6 Personal. (I made a small mistake searching and ended up on a warz page that sent my hard drive wild. Shut the machine down QUICK and ran three different kinds of scan to make sure I didn't pick up something nasty. Only strangeness was a few odd MRU list entries. Probably paranoia...)
hmm. I don't read japanese and do not have japanese language capabilities installed on my browser, but poking around got me to what looked like a login screen. Can / should I use my Borland USA login here?
if you google for the file with the same name but without jp extension, this site comes up: http://www.files.lt/, try putting the filename without JP in there. It gave me some results
THANK YOU! That got me close enough to find the file. FTP is in the process of downloading it at the moment. Now if it just doesn't time out or something...
Hmm. I think I have done a stupid. Running the downloaded .exe produced a directory tree, not a final installation. Running the 'install' in that tree brings up a nice splash screen that offers to install Delphi6. Pushing that button ends up nowhere. I suspect the msi...whatever installer got scrambled. I looked around and found a bunch of files in directories that strongly suggested where their contents should go and did the copying by hand. The result was runnable, but I suspect that I missed more than a little in the process.
I may have to burn that directory tree into a CD and see if that works, but I'd like to see if I can skip that.
I pulled up the project file from the 'src' distribution. It complained about bunches of stuff being missing starting with TSplitter. Any suggestions?
TSplitter is part of Delphi VCL. it should come with delphi personal
OK. That helps a lot. The installation was incomplete so it doesn't know where VCL is. I'll have to figure out how to tell it where the missing stuff is. That will be sort of fun -- digging into yet another IDE's internal structure. I'll probably learn something new...
you shouldn't have that much problems. it should install without any the first time. I'm not sure how to help you
I think I did a stupid by not burning a CD from the down load. Punching the Delphi6 instalation button on the splash screen boojumed if you know what I mean, and I kludged from there. I need to either back off and start over from scratch or kludge some more... You've been a great help and I may be able to get this going without more help. If not, I'll holler. Thanks again.
I pretty sure you don't need to burn a cd. it should work without a cd. maybe try ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1251&item=7148360320&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
why do you want to install delphi? are you planning to work on dev-cpp?
If you're still stuck in may, I may have a little more time by then to answer questions and help in general
> [W]hy do you want to install delphi?
Two reasons: First, it is a marketable skill and will enhance my prospects of finding a good job.
> [A]re you planning to work on dev-cpp?
Second, it will let me work on Dev-Cpp. Again this will help with finding a good job, but more importantly I think I can actually contribute to the project. However it will take some time for me to get to the point where I know enough about DCs internals to actually be useful and convince others of my usefulness. I'd like to see some specific features added but it would not be reasonable to ask for them without offering a valuable consideration in return, like help fixing bugs and adding features that other people want.
> I['m] pretty sure you don't need to burn a cd.
You may be right, but I blew two attempts. Maybe I was too impatient. I'll try again...
> [I]t should work without a cd.
From the installation notes, that is correct, but as I said I tried twice and the dialog box just disapeared after it got part way into the installation. No error messages. Nothing in the task list. It is just possible that it was grinding away in the background. I'll run the system monitor next time so I'll have a better idea of what is really going on...
> [M]aybe try ebay? ...
That's a Delphi7 with a transatlantic shipping delay. Being an impatiant and tight fisted ... I'll try to get the download to work before making a delayed gratification move...
> If you're still stuck in may, I may have a little more time by then to answer questions and help in general[.]
Thank you for the offer. I'll feel prety stupid if I haven't made significant progress by then and I'll know that I'm out of my depth, but I'm not that desperate yet. Again, thanks.
> Two reasons: First, it is a marketable skill and will enhance my prospects of finding a good job.
You're so wrong :)
you can also try finding delphi 7 personal. dev-c++ compiles with it too - see source tree for delphi 7 notes
> You're so wrong :)
Eh. Sour grapes. I've seen at least three posting in the last 18 months that were interesting but required Delphi... (:-)
> [Y]ou can also try finding delphi 7 personal. dev-c++ compiles with it too - see source tree for delphi 7 notes
One more variable... I'd like to get things working with as few changes as possible, then jiggle and poke. For that mater there's Delphi 8...
If the splash screen does not work, why not to run install\setup.exe directly?
You know Marek, it might not be a bad idea to put something together on how to get the tools (like Delphi) needed to compile Dev from source. Step by step, links and directions, then what and where to download Dev, how to compile it.
You might end up with a few more people to help out. (Which, if one of them were me, might not be such a good thing ;)
Wayne
I believe Tony from wxdsgn project put together detailed instructions on this
Tried that. When I say I tried a couple times I don't mean just run the installer once. I mean clean things back to just the original down load, unpack it into a new directory and run every variant of 'install' and 'setup' I can find. When it comes to software I'm impatiant, tight-fisted and STUBORN. I'll find a way to get this working. I've got the IDE to the point where it runs. At worst I've got to find a few pieces that I missed in my hand installation...
Progress! Something must have been eating my CPU before because the installation proceeded to a reasonable conclusion in a reasonable amount of time. The result was the same mess I had before but doing an uninstall, cleaning out all references to Borland in the registery and installing again got something that knew about TSplitters. Unballed the source distro again to make sure I was using an unmunged project file and turned the new instalation loose on it. Still some classes undefined but not an impossible number. Syntax check squacked a little. Build - 3 'hints', 3 warnings, no errors. Normal?
I think the next step should be to pull the current state of things from CVS and see if it builds. Right?