Re: [cream] Cream/Vim One-click Installer Has Less Flexibility...

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First, thanks for the reply. I understand that many programmers don't have
enough time to reply to users.

 > Because I am a Korean, I need some automatic language
> > configurations, which are automated by default.
>
> I'm curious what these are, how does it know what to do? Do you have
> to select the language from the list or does it detect language
> somehow from the environment?


I believe the Cream OCI (AKA one-click installer) already does some of the
configuration (e.g. Automatic language detect and selecting appropriate
translation of the menu--or is it done by Vim itself?). However, it does not
configure the Vim Tutor's language, too. When I install Vim, the tutor
automatically chooses the Korean version of the tutor file. Since I
understand English a bit (which is quite obvious in the first place), I
could do with the English tutor. However, I would still prefer the Korean
tutor file, thank you.



> > Also, the installation is missing vim (because it works only on
> > gVim, obviously) plus many batch file configurations.
>
> Our gvim installer without Cream has both. But we don't include it
> with the Cream one since they are not compatible. (Besides, vim in a
> Windows Command Prompt is flakey at best according to the help.)


It is? I didn't know that. I thought that Vim in Command Prompt was just as
powerful, and perhaps a bit more stylish, than gVim.


> Am I asking too much by wanting both flexibility and ease of use?
>
> Not at all, although I'm not certain all the utility of the binary
> installer can be reproduced in NSIS.


I wouldn't worry about that. Except for the fact that it is rather hard to
learn, the NSIS language is quite powerful, able to create installers that
"doesn't suck and isn't huge." I am quite sure that whatever the binary
installer does, NSIS would be able to emulate--with a few tricks and the
right plugins. I wonder if it would be possible to just reuse or hack the
binary installer part. I mean, it's the part of the open-source Vim's code.



> If you can help me pinpoint exactly what is missing, we may be able to
> fix things. We don't ever want to leave users out in the cold, but
> sometimes there are a lot of dependencies to make something work.


Well, here goes...

The first thing I found is a need for a  README file at the base of the
source installation tarball ( cream-0.39.tar.gz as of current). I wandered
around for a few minutes before finding the INSTALL.BAT file. It wasn't
really pleasant to wander there.

Another thing: cream-0.39.tar.gz/docs/WINDOWS.txt is out of date, and
creamopen.vbs and all its subsidaries don't work (at least, not for me). How
about just distributing them as script files in an additional directory
called "WINDOWS"? It will be redundant, of course, but make installation
easier for us.

Last question: can I run the one-click Vim/Cream installer on top of an
existing full installation of Vim?