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[coLinux-users] Native-Mode versus Win32

[Miller, S. <sha...@yr...>]

Good day to All,

 

coLinux is very nice.

 

I'm interested in the possibility of utilizing it in an environment
without the Win32 subsystem.  This would be an environment with little
more than the NT kernel, network, block and other NT drivers.

 

Since the various coLinux daemons and network-controlling applications
are Win32 executables, I'm wondering if there's any chance at all that
their functions could run solely in a "native" environment without the
Win32 subsystem available.  There needn't be any user interface at all;
the idea is for a "headless" Windows with coLinux facilitating a Linux
and making that Linux available on the network.

 

Does this seem remotely possible?

 

Thank you for your time, and for coLinux!

 

- Shao Miller

[coLinux-users] Where is coLinux-0.8.0?

[Hiroki H. <x1...@gm...>]

Hello.

I happened to find version 0.8.0.1370 of colinux-daemon.exe in
Portable_Ubuntu_TRES.exe but I can only find version 0.7.8.1505 of
colinux-daemon.exe in devel-coLinux-20100727.exe.

Where is coLinux-0.8.0?

Thank you.

Hiroki Horiuchi

Re: [coLinux-users] faster network connection

[Henry N. <hen...@ar...>]

  On 02.10.2010 22:59, Christopher Galm wrote:
>     Hi,
> i'm using colinux for about two months. For now I've set up colinux
> 0.7.8 (20100915) with a mandriva (spring 2010 32-bit) system with lvm
> and xfs for disk management and samba/ftp for making files available in
> windows. At first I used a tap-device as network interface. Now I'm
> using the ndis-bridge with a MS loopback interface (static IP).
> However, file transfer speed seems to be limited to 100 mbps (~11-13
> MB/s). Native disk transfer is (was) at least about 44 MB/s (tested with
> TeraCopy). My CPU is an Intel Q8200 (Quad, @2,3Ghz) and shouldn't be the
> bootleneck (although cpu-usage is about 80% on CPU0 - Samba and
> ndis-bridge?). I've tested this under Windows XP Home SP3 and Vista
> Ultimate SP2, both running colinux as user (cmd-line) and as service.
> Transfer speed stays the same. Is there a way to boost up network
> performance to 1000 mbps? (Or is there another (fast) solution for
> making files available in windows?)

Network has no limits, and ndis-bridge is the fastest way.
If you use raw partition of your filesystem (like 
cobd0=\Device\Harddisk0\Partition3), then Windows does not cache this. 
So, it can be slower as in native Linux.

Use "setcobd=async" to enable asynchronous mode for cobd devices.
Or, use scsi devices instead cobd/hda. Scsi driver works asynchronous 
per default.

For example "scsi0=disk,\\.\PhysicalDrive0" for the first harddisk. Be 
carefully with this option! Don't mount any partition, that is mounted 
always under Windows (for example drive C:).

-- 
Henry N.

Re: [coLinux-users] coLinux 30945 seconds leap mystery solved

[Ron A. <ra...@ho...>]

Hello Henry,

Thanks a lot for fix. 
I installed it, and will let it run for some time. On average, the glitch occurs every 4-5 days.

I'll update you on results.

Thanks again,
Ron

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:26:49 +0200
Subject: Re: [coLinux-users] coLinux 30945 seconds leap mystery solved



  


    
  
  
    Hello Ron,

    

    many thanks for your work!

    

    A skip for negative glitches coded now. We simple ignore this time
    and wait for next call of this function.

    Please see SVN r1539:

http://colinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/colinux?view=revision&revision=1539

    

    This should fix the Bug#1780633.

    

    Binaries for devel version 0.7.9 have here:

http://www.henrynestler.com/colinux/testing/devel-0.7.9/20101019-jiffies/

    

    An update for released version 0.7.8 have here:

http://www.henrynestler.com/colinux/testing/stable-0.7.8/20101019-jiffies/linux-stable-svn1528-jiffies-fix.zip

    

    Henry

    

    Am 10.10.2010 16:50, schrieb Ron Avriel:
    
      
      Hi,

      

      After analyzing several +30945 seconds leaps, using the coLinux
      debug version, I managed to solved the mystery.

      

      The root cause of the problem is a timer read hardware glitch.

      The glitch occurs when the 24th bit of the counter should
      overflow, but it doesn't.

      For example:

      Instead of reading 0x16242A000004, a value of 0x162429000004 was
      read.

      Instead of reading 0x13510E000005, a value of 0x13510D000005 was
      read.

      

      This causes an error of  -4.68 seconds (for a 3579545 frequency).

      The code in callback_return_jiffies(), together with an inaccuracy
      in co_div64() causes some interesting results:

      

      The first time the glitch occurs the time leaps forward by 24
      seconds.

      When subsequent glitches occur, time will leap forward by 30945
      and 30956 seconds alternatively.

      

      The results can be verified with the simulation below.

      

      Problem resolution:

      It seems this clock reading problem is well known and there are
      several workaroun ds for it.

      For example see the the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/fre...@fr.../msg34826.html
      and http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274323
      .

      In any case, I think that a simple check to verify that clock did
      not shift backward from previous read is a must.

      In addition, if the clock changed more than a threshold, then the
      clock should be read again in loop until below threshold.
    
 		 	   		  

Re: [coLinux-users] debootstrap + squeeze + totem == problem

[Hiroki H. <x1...@gm...>]

Very sorry. The subject was bad.

Regards,

Hiroki Horiuchi.

Re: [coLinux-users] debootstrap + lenny + totem == problem

[Hiroki H. <x1...@gm...>]

mkcoimage command is usable only on Debian GNU/Linux host.

The usage is
mkcoimage lenny|squeeze|sid TARGET-HOSTNAME.

It supposes, if TARGET-HOSTNAME is cx,
that the host's /etc/hosts (or NIS hosts map) looks like
...
255.255.255.0   netmask
10.0.0.254      gw
10.0.0.33       ns0
10.0.0.34       ns1
10.0.0.28       cx
10.64.0.1       co-host
10.64.0.2       co-guest
...

co-host has nothing to do with the host.

It also supposes an http server is running on the host and
its document root is /var/www.

My coLinux config file is like
kernel=vmlinux
cobd0=../ext3/lenny.i386.ext3
cofs0=/opt/cofs
root=/dev/cobd0
ro
mem=1024
eth0=pcap-bridge
eth1=tuntap

Regards,

Hiroki Horiuchi

[coLinux-users] debootstrap + lenny + totem == problem

[Hiroki H. <x1...@gm...>]

Hello.

I am using coLinux-0.7.8(.exe).

I have Xming with no access control and pulseaudio with a proper access
control running on Windows Vista Home Basic.

I made ext3 images of Debian lenny and squeeze using debootstrap.
More precisely, I prepared the images with programs written by me.
These are downloadable from http://19290.net/mkcoimage.tar

With lenny image, I can play C:\Windows\media\notify.wav with totem
without problem but with squeeze image, the sound was clipped.
With both lenny and squeeze image, I can play the .wav file with paplay
without problem.

What is wrong?

Hiroki Horiuchi

Re: [coLinux-users] coLinux 30945 seconds leap mystery solved

[Henry N. <hen...@ar...>]

  Hello Ron,

many thanks for your work!

A skip for negative glitches coded now. We simple ignore this time and 
wait for next call of this function.
Please see SVN r1539:
http://colinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/colinux?view=revision&revision=1539

This should fix the Bug#1780633.

Binaries for devel version 0.7.9 have here:
http://www.henrynestler.com/colinux/testing/devel-0.7.9/20101019-jiffies/

An update for released version 0.7.8 have here:
http://www.henrynestler.com/colinux/testing/stable-0.7.8/20101019-jiffies/linux-stable-svn1528-jiffies-fix.zip

Henry

Am 10.10.2010 16:50, schrieb Ron Avriel:
> Hi,
>
> After analyzing several +30945 seconds leaps, using the coLinux debug 
> version, I managed to solved the mystery.
>
> The root cause of the problem is a timer read hardware glitch.
> The glitch occurs when the 24th bit of the counter should overflow, 
> but it doesn't.
> For example:
> Instead of reading 0x16242A000004, a value of 0x162429000004 was read.
> Instead of reading 0x13510E000005, a value of 0x13510D000005 was read.
>
> This causes an error of  -4.68 seconds (for a 3579545 frequency).
> The code in callback_return_jiffies(), together with an inaccuracy in 
> co_div64() causes some interesting results:
>
> The first time the glitch occurs the time leaps forward by 24 seconds.
> When subsequent glitches occur, time will leap forward by 30945 and 
> 30956 seconds alternatively.
>
> The results can be verified with the simulation below.
>
> Problem resolution:
> It seems this clock reading problem is well known and there are 
> several workaroun ds for it.
> For example see the the thread 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/fre...@fr.../msg34826.html 
> and http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274323 .
> In any case, I think that a simple check to verify that clock did not 
> shift backward from previous read is a must.
> In addition, if the clock changed more than a threshold, then the 
> clock should be read again in loop until below threshold.

Re: [coLinux-users] Can I access coLinux service's shell without network

[Hiroki H. <x1...@gm...>]

Josep Maria Antolín Segura wrote:
> Simply execute the colinux-console-fltk or colinux-console-nt.
Thank you very much!

--
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Re: [coLinux-users] Can I access coLinux service's shell without network

[Josep M. A. S. <ja...@pa...>]

Yes there is.

Simply execute the colinux-console-fltk or colinux-console-nt. These consoles
connect automatically to the running colinux.


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Quoting Hiroki Horiuchi <x1...@gm...>:

> Hello.
>
> I asked this question to the IRC yesterday, but before I see an answer,
> my machine was shut down by accident.
>
> So please let me repeat the same question here.
>
> QUESTION:
> Is there any way to access coLinux service's shell even if its network
> setting is broken?
>
> I mean I want to access coLinux service's shell without relying on ssh.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hiroki Horiuchi
>
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[coLinux-users] Can I access coLinux service's shell without network

[Hiroki H. <x1...@gm...>]

Hello.

I asked this question to the IRC yesterday, but before I see an answer,
my machine was shut down by accident.

So please let me repeat the same question here.

QUESTION:
Is there any way to access coLinux service's shell even if its network
setting is broken?

I mean I want to access coLinux service's shell without relying on ssh.

Regards,

Hiroki Horiuchi

[coLinux-users] Colinux software isolation

[Eol_Hotline <eol...@ho...>]

  hi

i found a very strange bug that take me 15 days to be isolated and 
reproduced.

  It was so strange that i was thinking it was  a spyware or virus. but 
the bug still occure with a fresh windows XP fully scanned with 
antivirus and antispyware and antirootkit.

well let me explain how it starts

i use Colinux with usual servers running (Http, proftp, postfix, 
mySQL)... and i use firefox in my windowsXP


Every time i start colinux, i notice that firefox hangs (menus and icons 
not displaying correctly, tabs in firefox not reacting when you click to 
change from a tab to another)

After many many tests, i notice that this bug only occurs when i m 
running webmin 1.5.2 in my Fedora 10 Colinux VM.

I have tested with other version of webmin (the 1.51 for example) and i 
never notice troubles.

And if i start my Fedora10-Colinux with all services without starting 
webmin 1.52, firefox never hangs.

And if i start my colinux with webmin-1.52 and use firefox 4.0B6 or 
firefox 3.52 , nothing happens.

Ever  most strange,is that this behaviour still happening when i start 
my colinux without any network config (no tuntap, no slirp... in colinux 
config file) and webmin1.52 running inside.

it s a really strange interaction

any suggestion ?

thx

[coLinux-users] coLinux 30945 seconds leap mystery solved

[Ron A. <ra...@ho...>]

Hi,

After analyzing several +30945 seconds leaps, using the coLinux debug version, I managed to solved the mystery.

The root cause of the problem is a timer read hardware glitch.
The glitch occurs when the 24th bit of the counter should overflow, but it doesn't.
For example:
Instead of reading 0x16242A000004, a value of 0x162429000004 was read.
Instead of reading 0x13510E000005, a value of 0x13510D000005 was read.

This causes an error of  -4.68 seconds (for a 3579545 frequency).
The code in callback_return_jiffies(), together with an inaccuracy in co_div64() causes some interesting results:

The first time the glitch occurs the time leaps forward by 24 seconds.
When subsequent glitches occur, time will leap forward by 30945 and 30956 seconds alternatively.

The results can be verified with the simulation below.

Problem resolution:
It seems this clock reading problem is well known and there are several workarounds for it.
For example see the the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/fre...@fr.../msg34826.html and http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274323 .
In any case, I think that a simple check to verify that clock did not shift backward from previous read is a must.
In addition, if the clock changed more than a threshold, then the clock should be read again in loop until below threshold.

Code to simulate the time leap:

void simulate()
{
    unsigned long long correct_cur_timestamp, prev_timestamp;
    unsigned long long timestamp, freq, timestamp_diff, remainder;
    unsigned long jiffies;
    int loops = 0;

    freq = 3579545;

    /*
     * dummy initial value
     */
    correct_cur_timestamp = 0x12345678;
    prev_timestamp = correct_cur_timestamp - (freq/100);

    remainder = 0;

    while(1)
    {
        if ((++loops % 100000) == 0)
        {
            printf("Simulating glitch. loops: %ld\n", loops);
            timestamp = correct_cur_timestamp - 0x01000000;
        }
        else
        {
            timestamp = correct_cur_timestamp;
        }
        timestamp_diff = remainder;
        timestamp_diff += 100 * (timestamp - prev_timestamp);  /* HZ value */
        jiffies = co_div64(timestamp_diff, freq);

        if (jiffies > 1)
        {
            printf("timestamp new=%lu %lx%08lxh old=%lu %lx%08lxh rem=%lu %lx%08lxh\n",
                (unsigned long)timestamp, (unsigned long)(timestamp>>32), (unsigned long)timestamp,
                (unsigned long)prev_timestamp, (unsigned long)(prev_timestamp>>32), (unsigned long)prev_timestamp,
                (unsigned long)remainder, (unsigned long)(remainder>>32), (unsigned long)remainder);

            printf("jiffies=%ld, diff=%ld %lx%08lxh freq=%ld %lx%08lxh\n",
                jiffies,
                (unsigned long)timestamp_diff, (unsigned long)(timestamp_diff>>32), (unsigned long)timestamp_diff,
                (unsigned long)freq, (unsigned long)(freq>>32), (unsigned long)freq);

        }

        remainder = timestamp_diff - (jiffies * freq);
        prev_timestamp = timestamp;

        /*
         * Advance clock
         */
        correct_cur_timestamp += (freq/100);
    }
}


Thanks,
Ron

 		 	   		  

Re: [coLinux-users] Boot a real linux

[Mike M. <mme...@na...>]

On 01/-10/-28163 01:59 PM, Pavel Shirov wrote:
>> How to dit it
>> I meen how should the config file looks like?
>
> Do you mean booting colinux kernel under windows with real partition as root?
> Pretty easy:
> kernel=vmlinux
> # This is the key - we mount real partition here
> cobd0=\Device\Harddisk0\Partition2
> root=/dev/cobd0
> initrd="c:\gentoo\initrd.gz"
>
> And you should also have correct fstab entries.
>
>
One thing to note is that if /dev/Xda2 has an LVM PV then you will need 
a kernel that supports LVM.

A collection of specialized kernels with a handful of different 
combinations would be nice.  Don't forget to build a Supreme Kernel with 
every thing on it.

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Re: [coLinux-users] Boot a real linux

[Pavel S. <ns...@gr...>]

> How to dit it
> I meen how should the config file looks like?

Do you mean booting colinux kernel under windows with real partition as root? 
Pretty easy:
kernel=vmlinux
# This is the key - we mount real partition here
cobd0=\Device\Harddisk0\Partition2
root=/dev/cobd0
initrd="c:\gentoo\initrd.gz"

And you should also have correct fstab entries.

[coLinux-users] Boot a real linux

[mattias <mj...@mj...>]

How to dit it
I meen how should the config file looks like?

[coLinux-users] faster network connection

[Christopher G. <ch...@gm...>]

   Hi,
i'm using colinux for about two months. For now I've set up colinux 
0.7.8 (20100915) with a mandriva (spring 2010 32-bit) system with lvm 
and xfs for disk management and samba/ftp for making files available in 
windows. At first I used a tap-device as network interface. Now I'm 
using the ndis-bridge with a MS loopback interface (static IP).
However, file transfer speed seems to be limited to 100 mbps (~11-13 
MB/s). Native disk transfer is (was) at least about 44 MB/s (tested with 
TeraCopy). My CPU is an Intel Q8200 (Quad, @2,3Ghz) and shouldn't be the 
bootleneck (although cpu-usage is about 80% on CPU0 - Samba and 
ndis-bridge?). I've tested this under Windows XP Home SP3 and Vista 
Ultimate SP2, both running colinux as user (cmd-line) and as service. 
Transfer speed stays the same. Is there a way to boost up network 
performance to 1000 mbps? (Or is there another (fast) solution for 
making files available in windows?)

[coLinux-users] Installation of guest

[mattias <mj...@mj...>]

I rred in the litle manual colinux-daemon.txt i can mount cdroms
But meens that i can install guests?
If not way mount a cd
Sorry my english

Re: [coLinux-users] Modern Linux kernel as coLinux host

[H. N. <hen...@ar...>]

Last tested kernel was 2.6.18. Kernel 2.6.19 is known as broken.
For more recent kernels needs to change something. Mostly on the function prototypes and on the memory mapping.
The very critical function is do_mmap_pgoff in the file  
http://colinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/colinux/branches/devel/src/colinux/os/linux/kernel/module/alloc.c?view=markup

64 bit host is not supported.

Henry

Paolo Minazzi wrote:
> Some time ago (2 years ?) I was able to do it.
> Remember that colinux on linux host is not tested very well.
> I think it is only useful to do some test.
> Paolo
> 
> ????? ??????? wrote:
> > I saw the mentions about running coLinux on Linux host in "RUNNING" 
> > and "/doc/building" files in coLinux distro. But when i start 
> > compiling coLinux for Linux Host i always got compiling errors.
> >  
> > Any one run coLinux on Linux on modern distros virtualy?


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Re: [coLinux-users] tuntap

[H. N. <hen...@ar...>]

mattias wrote:
> If i have mor an one tuntap how to use the other one?

Syntax is:
ethX=tuntap,<network connection name>,<MAC> 

Rename the tap-win32 into name without spaces and use the second option for the eth0=tuntap,"NameOfYourTap"

Please read more in the text colinux-daemon.txt in your installations directory, or this file here:
http://colinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/colinux/branches/stable/doc/colinux-daemon


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Re: [coLinux-users] UBUNTU 10

[H. N. <hen...@ar...>]

mattias wrote:
> NOW I RUN COLINUX I LIKE IT
> BUT WHERE TO FIND A UBUNTU 10 IMAGE WITHOUT X

I think, it does not exist.

You can build it your self from a WUBI installation. Please read the step guide in wiki:
http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/Wubi


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[coLinux-users] tuntap

[mattias <mj...@mj...>]

If i have mor an one tuntap how to use the other one?

[coLinux-users] UBUNTU 10

[mattias <mj...@mj...>]

NOW I RUN COLINUX I LIKE IT
BUT WHERE TO FIND A UBUNTU 10 IMAGE WITHOUT X

Re: [coLinux-users] Modern Linux kernel as coLinux host

[Paolo M. <pao...@gm...>]

Some time ago (2 years ?) I was able to do it.
Remember that colinux on linux host is not tested very well.
I think it is only useful to do some test.
Paolo

Борис Морозов wrote:
> I saw the mentions about running coLinux on Linux host in "RUNNING" 
> and "/doc/building" files in coLinux distro. But when i start 
> compiling coLinux for Linux Host i always got compiling errors.
>  
> Any one run coLinux on Linux on modern distros virtualy?
>  
> Best Regards
>
> Boris Morozov
>  
> 23.09.10, 01:23, "yin sun" <sun...@gm...>:
>
>     I believe it is possible, at least I can see there are
>     code/configure in svn that handles that.
>      
>     /Yin
>
>     On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Борис Морозов <um...@ya...
>     <mailto:um...@ya...>> wrote:
>
>         Hello. It is posible to run coLinux on modern Linux distros
>         with kernel version >= 2.6.26 ?
>
>         Best Regards
>
>         Boris Morozov
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Re: [coLinux-users] Modern Linux kernel as coLinux host

[Борис М. <um...@ya...>]

<div><div>I saw the mentions about running coLinux on Linux host in "RUNNING"  and "/doc/building" files in coLinux distro. But  when i start compiling coLinux for Linux Host i always got compiling errors.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Any one run coLinux on Linux on modern distros virtualy?</div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Best Regards<br /><br />Boris Morozov</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>23.09.10, 01:23, "yin sun" &lt;sun...@gm...&gt;:</div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #CCCCCC;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1em;">I believe it is possible, at least I can see there are code/configure in svn that handles that.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>/Yin<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Борис Морозов <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:um...@ya...">um...@ya...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello. It is posible to run coLinux on modern Linux distros with kernel version &gt;= 2.6.26 ?<br /><br />Best Regards<br /><br />Boris Morozov<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances<br />and start using them to simplify application deployment and<br />accelerate your shift to cloud computing.<br /><a href="http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev" target="_blank">http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev</a><br />_______________________________________________<br />coLinux-users mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:coL...@li...">coL...@li...</a><br /><a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-users" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-users</a><br /></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br /><br />-- <br />Здесь спама нет http://mail.yandex.ru/nospam/sign</div>