Re: sourceforge miseries

[Jean L. <bu...@gn...>]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 07:34:54PM +0200, Bruno Haible wrote:
> With Gitlab, on the other hand, I'm being told that they change the UI
> every couple of weeks, adding new powerful features quite frequently.
> So far they are not "closed": You can have your main repo (in git)
> elsewhere, a mirror repo at gitlab, and run your continuous integration
> tests at Gitlab.

There is no reason at all today to relay on
hosting of third party, and if to relay on them,
then why not use GNU servers.

I think with FSF there is no problem to ask them
to give you hosted server for yourself or money
for that. Installing self-hosted Gitlab is matter
of 10 minutes. Just make it how you wish it.

FSF is there to support GNU project, CLISP is part
of it. FSF are people and if money is needed I
will give money that you host it somewhere on free
software, just avoid the github, gitlab.com hosted
and sourceforge.

(gitlab.com hosted is not same as self-hosted
gitlab software)

Host it yourself with gitlab software (free
software edition) or on Gnu servers or elsewhere,
that access to it is totally free and without
non-free Javascript as well.

> 10 years ago, when GNU was under firm control of RMS, I would have
> disliked to move to savannah as well. Nowadays, the control of GNU is
> distributed across several people, who don't show a dictatorship
> behaviour.

Buahaha, was it so? I think he never maintained
any servers himself. The only dictatorship on GNU
is to host free software and support free
software, and everything else may be
discussed with staff at FSF. 

> So, my proposal is: Move the hg repository to savannah today (or ASAP),
> so that we can continue to work on 2.50 and the GSoc students will not
> be interrupted in their work.

That is great news. I welcome that.

Please also include CLISP mailing list into
http://lists.gnu.org that we can get it nicely
archived and accessible, with people and their
names and emails, and here are examples of good
team work:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/

The GNU Guix distribution issues are totally
managed by using mailing list for example.

I am sure that moving CLISP to GNU and to those
mailing lists with GNU is going to get new people
and contributors to CLISP.

I may contribute to CLISP so that we can translate
it to Swahili as well, and then the whole
documentation, and then to present it to
universities in Kenya and Tanzania.

-- 
Jean Louis