#1 Output File Feature

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2005-12-06
2005-11-21
Bud Nail
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An output file could be opened that would record the state of each pin in
a tab delimited text format. Recording to the file could be started and
stopped from the menu much like the tics control.
Opening a new file would close the currently open file.

This output file could then be used in a spreadsheet or other program to
analyize the circuit.

Discussion

  • Carl Burch

    Carl Burch - 2005-11-21
    • priority: 5 --> 3
    • status: open --> pending
     
  • Carl Burch

    Carl Burch - 2005-11-21

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    The idea sounds promising, but I'd like to clarify exactly
    what you're describing. Are you thinking that each time the
    user toggles a pin's value (by clicking it), the new value
    would be propagated through the circuit and after the state
    fully settled, all values of pins in that circuit layout
    would be saved into the file? I can imagine Logisim doing
    such a thing.

    And: Could you explain how you would use such a file?
    Understanding the context in which it would be used would
    make it easier for me to appreciate its importance. Right
    now, I'm a bit of a loss to think of a situation where I
    would analyze a file rather than look at the circuit
    directly. (Well, I can think of how it might help with
    grading a simple circuit, but you're surely thinking of
    something different.) Of course, you must have an idea of
    such a situation.

    Of course, it may be that I'm misunderstanding the
    suggestion completely. I'd certainly welcome correction.

    (Incidentally, you may not be aware Logisim does have a
    facility that resembles this functionality loosely: If you
    choose "Analyze Circuit" for a combinational circuit,
    Logisim will generate a truth table. You can't toggle the
    pins yourself, though, and there's currently no option for
    saving this truth table into a file.)

    (Also: an attempt to respond to a private mailing bounced.
    If you send me an e-mail directly to logisim at the
    cburch.com address, I won't let the e-mail go out.)

    ---Carl Burch

     
  • Carl Burch

    Carl Burch - 2005-11-22
    • status: pending --> open
     
  • Carl Burch

    Carl Burch - 2005-11-22

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    In a private e-mail, Bud clarified with the following. I
    plan for this feature to show up in early 2006. Any
    suggestions about associated features would be welcome.

    "This was exactly what I had in mind, but seeing it written
    down this way it occurs to me it might also be useful to
    grab a snap shot every so many tics, or by manually
    selecting to record the current state. But if recording
    every change is simpler, I would go that way. The proposed
    feature when used with some graphing software, would be
    almost like having a Logic Analyzer(the test instrument kind.)

    "I'm really thinking of two uses. One being for
    documentation. The other being for error checking...."

     
  • Carl Burch

    Carl Burch - 2005-12-06
    • status: open --> closed
     
  • Carl Burch

    Carl Burch - 2005-12-06

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    A first cut at this feature appears in version 2.0.3, via
    the Logging... option in the Simulate menu. The feature, as
    it appears, is somewhat more sophisticated than the previous
    discussion indicates, but it has a lot of potential for
    improvement, if user interest exists.

    I encourage you to send me any comments on ways that you
    think the logging module can be made more useful to your
    purposes. Also, since this is the first release of a fairly
    complex task, there are likely some bugs and other rough
    spots; as always I welcome any such reports.

    ---Carl Burch

     

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