Re: [Chategory-devl] FINALLY!!! => Plus my own update.

[Bob F <mon...@gm...>]

That's okay man, I understand.

And don't sweat it about the PSATS. They were pretty easy, just know your
rules of grammar and Math A, and you're fine. Algebra, geometry, and
probability I think were on it when I took it. Good luck mate!

On 10/9/05, Jonathan Fenocchi <jo...@sl...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, Bob, I don't have time to really think about it right now. I'm
> studying for a PSAT test that I didn't know I was supposed to take, and
> it's in less than a week!
>
> When I get a chance, I will definitely have a butt load of feedback for
> you, and once I square away some extra work, I'll spend more time
> working on Chategory (and less on other projects, like some Greasemonkey
> scripts that have been floating around).
>
> Bob F wrote:
> > 1) Yes, that makes sense. I can easily implement an error handling
> function.
> >
> > 2) Aye, yes, easily done.
> >
> > 3) Hmm. Well, with the new templating system, a user could do any of
> > those three. We can ship with a system similar to (c), but a user could
> > easily do (a) or (b) even. That was, at least it was my impression that
> > that was, the purpose of implementing a templating system. Because...
> >
> > a) It's not really that easy to just "include" something without
> > already having a UI of somesort, no matter how barebones, in place. The
> > templating system that I've prototyped allows a great, great deal of
> > configurability so that you could have the system any way you like it!
> >
> > b) A shoutbox type plugin would be capable just as easily, simply in th=
e
> > template files make the chatbox smaller with css!
> >
> > c) A full fledged system, IM-like could be our default template. Or,
> > hey, we could ship with mutliple templates! I've set it up so that
> > there's a config variable that points to the template folder.
> >
> > It might be more apparent once I implement a control panel for editing
> > the templates, but this should all be possible, methinks. Unless this
> > wasn't the intent. Then I just spent a lot of thinking for nothing, eh?
> > Ah well. Speak up Jona! Whats what?
> >
> > On 10/7/05, *Mike at GBHXonline.com* <mik...@gb...
> > <mailto:mik...@gb...>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello gang,
> >
> > Thank you, Bob. I downloaded it and started file peeping. I ran
> > across something and the next thing ya know I sort of formulated an
> > idea. Some stuff to focus on maybe.
> >
> > 1) First there needs to be consistency in things like errors. I
> > noted the varied headings mostly.
> >
> > 2) I think it's essential every bit of HTML be identified or
> > classified as styling or integrating Chategory must not conflict
> > with an existing CSS. We could ensure that everything is dished
> > out in divs, but individual element classing will almost guarantee a
> > leaner CSS. For integration, if one wants to ADD something to their
> > CSS -- let's say h3.ourclass which may or may not match
> > h3.theirclass -- it becomes their choice and either way is easy to
> > do. Construction is easy, deconstruction is difficult. Classes and
> > IDs give the "builders" more construction tools.
> > a. The classes need to be identified uniquely to avoid
> > conflicts. In other words we cannot have "#wrapper". We would need
> > "#ch2_wrapper" or something along those lines.
> >
> > 3) Chategory should be supplied in three stages of completion so to
> > speak for the three stages of use. (All with a stand-alone back-end
> > admin/mod/user, etc.)
> > a. Integration: Complete site integration (your barebones mode
> > plus). But I don't think of it as a mode, rather I think of it as a
> > bunch of module includes I can "place here" and "place there." As a
> > web developer I would need a handful of includes and a list of
> > styles (defined of course so I know what is what).
> > b. Plug-in (think Shout box): Include placed. This is a stand
> > alone unit without style choices outside of basic colors for
> > "customization." Perhaps allow width and height "choices." Maybe a
> > small set-up script or editable config to send style definitions to
> > the site-displayed module as inline styles. (Get fancy and offer
> > multiple choices and allow users to set their prefs... later lol.)
> > c. Ready-to-use, stand alone. I am thinking of something
> > entirely different employing just a wee bit of JavaScript to get it
> > done. Think instant messenger-ish versus what I have at
> > http://greenmethods.com/gm_live/. I'm thinking of something fairly
> > lightweight and portable. Not a pop-up, though (which would be great
> > actually), but a full function browser window.
> >
> > 4) This idea as a whole will be quite easy to do using nothing more
> > than CSS really. The key will be to have a CSS for each mode
> > (except "Integration" which will have no CSS, just a class and ID
> > list). Note: This does not include a global CSS for stand-alone
> > back-end admin/mod/user, etc.
> >
> > Anyway, that's about enough for one email. It's late and it was a
> > rough night. Daughter's open house at school... whole night was
> > shot, long story. But hopefully I'm lucid enough at the moment to
> > present this all in a somewhat intelligible manner.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Bob F <mailto:mon...@gm...>
> > *To:* Chategory Mailing List
> > <mailto:cha...@li...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:33 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Chategory-devl] FINALLY!!! =3D> Plus my own update.
> >
> > Apparently I'm productive today. Okay, I've got a zip you can
> > get here:
> >
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1259952&grou=
p_id=3D139994&atid=3D745215
> > <
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1259952&grou=
p_id=3D139994&atid=3D745215
> >
> >
> >
> > Just unzip it and go. But now, first there's somethings to know.
> > This is archiving and templating, and a little file
> > restructuring. This is NOT ajax friendly. And I haven't added in
> > a control panel for editing the template files, but they can be
> > found in data/templates/default. There are 5 files:
> >
> > header.php
> > footer.php
> > post.php
> > nav.php
> > styles.css
> >
> > These contain most of the UI of Chategory. By editing these
> > files, one could completely integrate the system into their
> > site. There are API changes as well, functs.php is gone,
> > replaced by a Templater class. Forgive the bugs, I know of a
> > few, and I by no means have tested this beyond basic "It works".
> > I've got this pushed out because I felt I was slowing down the
> > project by holding up something that would have such a large
> > impact on the project. This is also to get feedback. The
> > templating is basic and not user-friendly. So how can we make it
> > work better? Archiving works. Is it okay? How can we make IT
> > work better? Ect, ect.
> >
> > This is NOT commited to the CVS repository either. If it gets
> > okayed, then I'll create a chategory2 repository for it and we
> > can get to work.
> >
> > So... GET TESTING!!!! :-P
> >
> >
> > On 10/6/05, *Mike at GBHXonline.com* <mik...@gb...
> > <mailto:mik...@gb...>> wrote:
> >
> > Great job, Bob. Within a week's time I will be going through
> > the files that I have finding class and whatnot in hopes of
> > preparing an index template. I have one idea I've been
> > tossing around but I'll wait on the details until after my
> > foray into the files.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Bob F <mailto:mon...@gm...>
> > *To:* Chategory Mailing List
> > <mailto:cha...@li...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:48 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Chategory-devl] FINALLY!!!
> >
> > Alright, I've got non-saving archiving working
> > (deleting). Sorry, this should have been done earlier,
> > but I've been busy all week. My band is trying out for a
> > local "Battle of the Bands" so we've been practicing all
> > week. But I'm free tonight so I've got archiving
> > finished. But, since I've had to change the core API to
> > get it working, I'm just going to hold off and finish
> > off the templating system I've thought up instead of
> > wasting time backporting it to fit the UI (php) we plan
> > on trashing anyway. Depending on how productive I am
> > tonight, expect me finish it off for your testing and
> > reviewing by at the most end of monday (hopefully sooner).
> >
> > On 9/29/05, *Jonathan Fenocchi*
> > <jo...@sl...
> > <mailto:jo...@sl...>> wrote:
> >
> > All right! This is very cool, Bob. Let us know when
> > you've comitted it
> > to CVS so we can test it out and so forth. Thanks a
> > heap, and don't be
> > discouraged -- I'm getting back on track to help
> > work on it soon. :)
> >
> > --
> > - Da Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > - Da Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > - Da Bob
>



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- Da Bob