Re: [Chategory-devl] FINALLY!!! => Plus my own update.

[Mike at GBHXonline.c. <mik...@gb...>]

Hello gang,

Thank you, Bob. I downloaded it and started file peeping. I ran across =
something and the next thing ya know I sort of formulated an idea. Some =
stuff to focus on maybe.

1) First there needs to be consistency in things like errors. I noted =
the varied headings mostly.=20

2) I think it's essential every bit of HTML be identified or classified =
as styling or integrating Chategory must not conflict with an existing =
CSS. We could ensure that everything is dished out in divs, but =
individual element classing will almost guarantee a leaner CSS. For =
integration, if one wants to ADD something to their CSS -- let's say =
h3.ourclass which may or may not match h3.theirclass -- it becomes their =
choice and either way is easy to do. Construction is easy, =
deconstruction is difficult. Classes and IDs give the "builders" more =
construction tools.
    a. The classes need to be identified uniquely to avoid conflicts. In =
other words we cannot have "#wrapper". We would need "#ch2_wrapper" or =
something along those lines.=20

3) Chategory should be supplied in three stages of completion so to =
speak for the three stages of use. (All with a stand-alone back-end =
admin/mod/user, etc.)
    a. Integration: Complete site integration (your barebones mode =
plus). But I don't think of it as a mode, rather I think of it as a =
bunch of module includes I can "place here" and "place there." As a web =
developer I would need a handful of includes and a list of styles =
(defined of course so I know what is what).
    b. Plug-in (think Shout box): Include placed. This is a stand alone =
unit without style choices outside of basic colors for "customization." =
Perhaps allow width and height "choices." Maybe a small set-up script or =
editable config to send style definitions to the site-displayed module =
as inline styles. (Get fancy and offer multiple choices and allow users =
to set their prefs... later lol.)=20
    c. Ready-to-use, stand alone. I am thinking of something entirely =
different employing just a wee bit of JavaScript to get it done. Think =
instant messenger-ish versus what I have at =
http://greenmethods.com/gm_live/. I'm thinking of something fairly =
lightweight and portable. Not a pop-up, though (which would be great =
actually), but a full function browser window.

4) This idea as a whole will be quite easy to do using nothing more than =
CSS really. The key will be to have a CSS for each mode (except =
"Integration" which will have no CSS, just a class and ID list). Note: =
This does not include a global CSS for stand-alone back-end =
admin/mod/user, etc.

Anyway, that's about enough for one email. It's late and it was a rough =
night. Daughter's open house at school... whole night was shot, long =
story. But hopefully I'm lucid enough at the moment to present this all =
in a somewhat intelligible manner.

Mike

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bob F=20
  To: Chategory Mailing List=20
  Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chategory-devl] FINALLY!!! =3D> Plus my own update.


  Apparently I'm productive today. Okay, I've got a zip you can get =
here:

  =
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1259952&grou=
p_id=3D139994&atid=3D745215=20

  Just unzip it and go. But now, first there's somethings to know. This =
is archiving and templating, and a little file restructuring. This is =
NOT ajax friendly. And I haven't added in a control panel for editing =
the template files, but they can be found in data/templates/default. =
There are 5 files:

  header.php
  footer.php
  post.php
  nav.php
  styles.css

  These contain most of the UI of Chategory. By editing these files, one =
could completely integrate the system into their site. There are API =
changes as well, functs.php is gone, replaced by a Templater class. =
Forgive the bugs, I know of a few, and I by no means have tested this =
beyond basic "It works". I've got this pushed out because I felt I was =
slowing down the project by holding up something that would have such a =
large impact on the project. This is also to get feedback. The =
templating is basic and not user-friendly. So how can we make it work =
better? Archiving works. Is it okay? How can we make IT work better? =
Ect, ect.=20

  This is NOT commited to the CVS repository either. If it gets okayed, =
then I'll create a chategory2 repository for it and we can get to work.=20

  So... GET TESTING!!!! :-P



  On 10/6/05, Mike at GBHXonline.com <mik...@gb...> wrote:
    Great job, Bob. Within a week's time I will be going through the =
files that I have finding class and whatnot in hopes of preparing an =
index template. I have one idea I've been tossing around but I'll wait =
on the details until after my foray into the files.

    Mike
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Bob F=20
      To: Chategory Mailing List=20
      Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [Chategory-devl] FINALLY!!!


      Alright, I've got non-saving archiving working (deleting). Sorry, =
this should have been done earlier, but I've been busy all week. My band =
is trying out for a local "Battle of the Bands" so we've been practicing =
all week. But I'm free tonight so I've got archiving finished. But, =
since I've had to change the core API to get it working, I'm just going =
to hold off and finish off the templating system I've thought up instead =
of wasting time backporting it to fit the UI (php) we plan on trashing =
anyway. Depending on how productive I am tonight, expect me finish it =
off for your testing and reviewing by at the most end of monday =
(hopefully sooner).


      On 9/29/05, Jonathan Fenocchi <jo...@sl...> wrote: =

        All right! This is very cool, Bob. Let us know when you've =
comitted it
        to CVS so we can test it out and so forth. Thanks a heap, and =
don't be=20
        discouraged -- I'm getting back on track to help work on it =
soon. :)


      --=20
      - Da Bob=20



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  - Da Bob