Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

Paste away!

Adam Marshall wrote:
> Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki?
>
> adam
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
> | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
> | Sent: 27 April 2006 18:20
> | To: bod...@li...
> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | 
> | The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable
> | option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. I
> | would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time
> | would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be
> | switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones.
> | 
> | Explanation of zones....
> | 
> | The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief
> | was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium could
> | create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We
> | wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for colleges
> | to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names.
> | Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is
> | responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user
> | management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from
> | messing up another college's accounts.  (However, non-standard user
> | management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.)
> | 
> | A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside that
> | resource inherit the zone id.  The user management tools then operate in
> | that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set its
> | zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that
> | admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their own
> | admin zone when they create users.
> | 
> | The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and
> | staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth to
> | allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each
> | college could run its own identity management server to allow users to
> | log into a single shared VLE.  However, my clients are planning to host
> | on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and
> | possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for them.
> | 
> | In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation at
> | Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can
> | distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need to
> | create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to
> | create log-ins for themselves.
> | 
> | Andrew Booth wrote:
> | > Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a
> | nuisance
> | > and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix
> | > when creating users.  That's certainly the case locally, but I don't
> | know if
> | > it got onto HEAD.
> | >
> | > I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back.
> | >
> | > So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote
> | before
> | > anything more about zones goes into HEAD.
> | >
> | > Aggie
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: bod...@li...
> | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
> | Adam
> | > Marshall
> | > Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14
> | > To: bod...@li...
> | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > | -----Original Message-----
> | > | From: bod...@li...
> | [mailto:bodington-
> | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
> | > | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22
> | > | To: bod...@li...
> | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | > |
> | > | 1)
> | > | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll
> | repost
> | > | next week.
> | > |
> | > | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual
> | > | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly
> | bilingual.
> | > | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc.
> | but
> | > | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc.
> | > | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features
> | > | for Bodington?
> | >
> | > You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates!
> | >
> | > |
> | > | 2)
> | > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily
> | > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present
> | > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
> | > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So,
> | to
> | > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a
> | > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of
> | > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the
> | > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
> | > | installation code but doing it at runtime.
> | >
> | > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really
> | use
> | > zones.
> | >
> | > You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in
> | head
> | > yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones.
> | >
> | > The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one
> | user'
> | > page; so that would be warmly received!
> | >
> | > Adam
> | >
> | > |
> | > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be
> | > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain
> | > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
> | > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would
> | then
> | > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the
> | > | user invoked the functionality.
> | > |
> | > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something
> | similar?
> | > |
> | > | Jon
> | > |
> | > |
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