Re: [Bodington-developers] Plugin interface

[Colin T. <col...@ou...>]

Colin Tatham wrote:
> If possible, I'd say Alistair holds off doing his thing (specially for 
> 2.8) and we look at what comes out of Matthew's work on the Spring stuff 
> (or Al collaborates with Matthew on it.)

Sorry, also meant to mention that what Matthew's doing doesn't involve 
switching over to JSPs wholesale -- JSPs and templates can co-exist...

Colin

>> On 23 Mar 2006, at 15:29, Jon Maber wrote:
>>
>>> I vote for 1)
>>>
>>> within 1) I would be happy for the specific method to be based on  
>>> Alistair's suggestion
>>> of an additional tag. However, if that gets voted down I would  
>>> suggest the exposure
>>> of the ServletContext object within XMLTemplateProcessor so any  
>>> named servlet
>>> can be called from a tempate.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean Mehan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi. I've been lurking on this one, as I'm sitting in a meeting in
>>>> Hannover. However, tis been an interesting debate.
>>>>
>>>> However, alistair is trying to get a method to work to start  
>>>> coupling in
>>>> stuff to bod now. This would lead to mods that Ox and Aggie said they
>>>> would be interested in at least in principle.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, we need to reach a decision:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Agree a method for code to go in supporting functionality that  
>>>> can go
>>>> into HEAD;
>>>> 2) Agree that this will be a UHI only mod.
>>>>
>>>> 1 OR 2.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <quote who="Alistair Young">
>>>>
>>>>>> so you can call getNamedDispatcher( "myModules" ).include( request,
>>>>>> response )
>>>>>>
>>>>> but that's where we differ Jon. JSPs are designed to insulate page
>>>>> developers from code like that. That's what taglibs are for. That's
>>>>> why I suggested a new tag. That's why I don't want to go down the
>>>>> servlet route. No-one else does these days to get the type of
>>>>> functionality we want.
>>>>>
>>>>> In light of what Matthew's being working on, it'll be best to wait
>>>>> and see what we can use of that to give us the functionality we  need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Mar 2006, at 14:57, Jon Maber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alistair Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You won't be going near Facility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know Jon but I'll be going somewhere I don't want to go - half
>>>>>>> hidden servlets - that's not what servlets are designed for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is one of the things that servlets were designed for see the
>>>>>> method;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ServletContext.getNamedDispatcher(String name)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/docs/api/javax/servlet/
>>>>>> ServletContext.html)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it can be done without adding any new tag types to the
>>>>>>>> template DTD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and I think it can ... just different ways of looking at the
>>>>>>> problem.  My view is influenced by JSPs/taglibs,your's by bod
>>>>>>> internals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm not thinking of Bod at all - 'including' is a standard
>>>>>> thing that servlets do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out.print( "<P>here's another 400 paragraphs of HTML</P>" );
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's how bod works though!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not how bod templates work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think I'm getting anywhere now although it's been an
>>>>>>> interesting ride getting there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just trying to help! I'm not going to say go ahead with your plugin
>>>>>> tag (which I don't personally object to) because I'm not going to
>>>>>> be affected by the consequences - that's down to the other
>>>>>> developers to comment.  I'm just suggesting a method they can't
>>>>>> easily object to because it doesn't involve more that a line or two
>>>>>> of changes to the Bodington source code - to make the
>>>>>> ServletContext available to the template so you can call
>>>>>> getNamedDispatcher( "myModules" ).include( request, response ).  I
>>>>>> don't think that's a bodge or a workaround - it's basically the
>>>>>> same as what you're proposing but compliant with the servlet spec -
>>>>>> i.e. you could use it perfectly well outside of Bodington.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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