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From: Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...> - 2006-05-10 09:48:15
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friends, bodders and earthlings, we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a reasonable record in the LL area since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod-dev list is a good place to look for colaborators cheers sel |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-10 09:58:43
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now that sounds quite interesting Sel. Any draft info floating around? Turning binary eye-scan data into attributes to get you access to things. hmmmm..... Alistair On 10 May 2006, at 10:48, Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > friends, bodders and earthlings, > > we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... > > to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling > portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security > > we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, > but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a > reasonable record in the LL area > > since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod- > dev list is a good place to look for colaborators > > cheers > > sel > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...> - 2006-05-10 10:49:37
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Hi Alistair, No paper as such, but thats the thing here we are looking to colab and cooperate on this first. So to coin a phrase we might call it openPBS Primarily driven from disatisfaction with ims eportfolio and the endless debate regards unique id... The proposal would.. perhaps, be for a group of us to research and develop a pilot for convenient, secure and reassuring methods for students to move between organisations in the context of lifelong learning. Asserting with biometrics perhaps... - we could aim to reduce identity theft - improve data control etc Furthermore biometric identity provides us a variety of potential interoperability... more assertion... - Once registered somewhere, things speed up for the biometric user - systems can tag electronic artifcacts with biometric data - Ed I's may even issue real world objects such as a student card, passport or even a paper certifcate with embedded biometric identity biometrics aren't always that expensive, thumbprint, retinal, handwriting recognition... Personally I would be advocating simplest and cheapest first... which provides the users [admin and users] most convenience But collectively is the real point of bringing this out in the open, its not just about some folks from Phos-dev So we would like to colaborate on a draft... Any others up for this first step? Any potential lead institution out there? Sel on one occasion i did challenge for dna but that would be expensive and it may take a week or so to login :) Alistair Young wrote: > now that sounds quite interesting Sel. Any draft info floating > around? Turning binary eye-scan data into attributes to get you > access to things. hmmmm..... > > Alistair > > On 10 May 2006, at 10:48, Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > >> friends, bodders and earthlings, >> >> we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... >> >> to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling >> portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security >> >> we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, >> but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a >> reasonable record in the LL area >> >> since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod- >> dev list is a good place to look for colaborators >> >> cheers >> >> sel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-05-10 11:25:17
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I have asked around OUCS about this. I'll let you know if there's any takers or good leads. It's not really on our roadmap as such. adam | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Selwyn Lloyd | Sent: 10 May 2006 11:50 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] call for partners and leaders in a | portability and biometrics project | | Hi Alistair, | | No paper as such, but thats the thing here we are looking to colab and | cooperate on this first. | | So to coin a phrase we might call it openPBS | | Primarily driven from disatisfaction with ims eportfolio and the endless | debate regards unique id... | | The proposal would.. perhaps, be for a group of us to research and | develop a pilot for convenient, secure and reassuring methods for | students to move between organisations in the context of lifelong | learning. | | Asserting with biometrics perhaps... | - we could aim to reduce identity theft | - improve data control etc | | Furthermore biometric identity provides us a variety of potential | interoperability... | more assertion... | - Once registered somewhere, things speed up for the biometric user | - systems can tag electronic artifcacts with biometric data | - Ed I's may even issue real world objects such as a student card, | passport or even a paper certifcate with embedded biometric identity | | biometrics aren't always that expensive, thumbprint, retinal, | handwriting recognition... | | Personally I would be advocating simplest and cheapest first... which | provides the users [admin and users] most convenience | But collectively is the real point of bringing this out in the open, its | not just about some folks from Phos-dev | | So we would like to colaborate on a draft... | | Any others up for this first step? Any potential lead institution out | there? | | Sel | | | | on one occasion i did challenge for dna but that would be expensive and | it may take a week or so to login :) | | | Alistair Young wrote: | | > now that sounds quite interesting Sel. Any draft info floating | > around? Turning binary eye-scan data into attributes to get you | > access to things. hmmmm..... | > | > Alistair | > | > On 10 May 2006, at 10:48, Selwyn Lloyd wrote: | > | >> friends, bodders and earthlings, | >> | >> we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... | >> | >> to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling | >> portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security | >> | >> we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, | >> but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a | >> reasonable record in the LL area | >> | >> since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod- | >> dev list is a good place to look for colaborators | >> | >> cheers | >> | >> sel | >> | >> | >> ------------------------------------------------------- | >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | >> security? | >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your | >> job easier | >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | >> Geronimo | >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? | >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | >> _______________________________________________ | >> Bodington-developers mailing list | >> Bod...@li... | >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | security? | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | > easier | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | > Geronimo | > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-05-10 11:39:44
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Speaking as a molecular biologist working in a Faculty of Biological Sciences, I'd agree that DNA might be a bit slow, but your sequencers are obviously slow. However, we have a group here doing interesting work with biosensors, which could be relevant. I'll have a chat with them. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Selwyn Lloyd Sent: 10 May 2006 11:50 To: bod...@li... Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] call for partners and leaders in a portability and biometrics project Hi Alistair, No paper as such, but thats the thing here we are looking to colab and cooperate on this first. So to coin a phrase we might call it openPBS Primarily driven from disatisfaction with ims eportfolio and the endless debate regards unique id... The proposal would.. perhaps, be for a group of us to research and develop a pilot for convenient, secure and reassuring methods for students to move between organisations in the context of lifelong learning. Asserting with biometrics perhaps... - we could aim to reduce identity theft - improve data control etc Furthermore biometric identity provides us a variety of potential interoperability... more assertion... - Once registered somewhere, things speed up for the biometric user - systems can tag electronic artifcacts with biometric data - Ed I's may even issue real world objects such as a student card, passport or even a paper certifcate with embedded biometric identity biometrics aren't always that expensive, thumbprint, retinal, handwriting recognition... Personally I would be advocating simplest and cheapest first... which provides the users [admin and users] most convenience But collectively is the real point of bringing this out in the open, its not just about some folks from Phos-dev So we would like to colaborate on a draft... Any others up for this first step? Any potential lead institution out there? Sel on one occasion i did challenge for dna but that would be expensive and it may take a week or so to login :) Alistair Young wrote: > now that sounds quite interesting Sel. Any draft info floating > around? Turning binary eye-scan data into attributes to get you > access to things. hmmmm..... > > Alistair > > On 10 May 2006, at 10:48, Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > >> friends, bodders and earthlings, >> >> we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... >> >> to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling >> portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security >> >> we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, >> but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a >> reasonable record in the LL area >> >> since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod- >> dev list is a good place to look for colaborators >> >> cheers >> >> sel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-05-10 12:54:18
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Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > The proposal would.. perhaps, be for a group of us to research and > develop a pilot for convenient, secure and reassuring methods for > students to move between organisations in the context of lifelong > learning. If I were a student I wouldn't be reassured by having potential employers etc. scanning my eyeball. I'd be alarmed, angered and would probably walk out of the interview. I can imagine that the majority of students would not share my reaction and would actually be reassured and comforted but that wouldn't make me and the rest of the minority feel any better about it. Jon |
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From: Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...> - 2006-05-10 17:25:16
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perhaps hand writing recognition would be your preferred option. there are currently trials of pubs and clubs using thumbprint biometrics to curb violent drunks... if you don't have your thumb scanned then you can't go in the pub / club... :) Jon Maber wrote: > Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > >> The proposal would.. perhaps, be for a group of us to research and >> develop a pilot for convenient, secure and reassuring methods for >> students to move between organisations in the context of lifelong >> learning. > > If I were a student I wouldn't be reassured by having potential > employers etc. scanning my eyeball. I'd be alarmed, angered and would > probably walk out of the interview. > > I can imagine that the majority of students would not share my > reaction and would actually be reassured and comforted but that > wouldn't make me and the rest of the minority feel any better about it. > > Jon > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-05-11 12:23:38
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Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > there are currently trials of pubs and clubs using thumbprint > biometrics to curb violent drunks... if you don't have your thumb > scanned then you can't go in the pub / club... :) A depressing symptom of the surveillance society. Here's the problem: if you want your customers to stay on the premises as long as possible and spend as much money as possible then you have to deal with them up to the point where they are senseless and incapable of spending any more money. The difficulty is that people behave badly before the point when they are drunk enough to fall over unconscious and that might inhibit the sober potential customers from entering the premises. The answer is to subject the customers to intense surveillance and use highly visible security staff. The, as yet, sober customer can be persuaded that these measures are there to make them safe. They may be unaware that the greatest danger that they are subjected to is the liver damage that comes from excessive alcohol consumption. (Personally I'd rather get a broken nose from a violent drunk than cirrhosis of the liver.) The authorities are prepared to tolerate bars who encourage antisocial drinking so long as the management clamp down on the short term consequences (hence the use of biometrics). I would suggest that a better solution is to take away the bar's license if they are found selling alcohol to people who are excessively drunk or aggressive. Similarly the use of biometric 'signatures' on reports of educational outcomes etc. may be a technological sticking plaster for a problem that needs a more humane analysis. What is the perceived lack of trust that leads people to believe that this technology is required? Who is cheating or who is being negligent? Who is mistrustful? Are students fabricating reports on their educational activities? Are cleverer friends of students doing their industrial placements for them? Are students writing their own reports on themselves in place of the mentor's report? Wouldn't a little bit of communication between tutors, mentors, supervisors etc. prevent this? Any reputable college knows how to invigilate traditional examinations and keep secure records of the results - couldn't they be persuaded to use procedures of a similar standard to verify the authenticity of qualitative information about the student too? Give the examinations office a digital certificate and let them use it to sign a plain text file which the student can take away and email to whoever they like. If the file has the name, gender and age of the student what more do you need? Perhaps a simple passport style picture could be included but even without that you already have better security than the printed degree certificate which is tried and trusted over centuries. To be honest the best security is a good interview when the student applies for a job. It's fairly easy to find out if the student actually learned anything from the activities they claim to have taken part in with a few well aimed questions. Sorry to be so negative but you've hit a raw nerve. As you can tell, I am vehemently opposed to surveillance of people who are not criminals and who are not suspected of being criminals. The use of biometric information (whether encoded electronically or not) is strongly associated with repressive regimes and the acceptance of it by the majority (who have no need to fear it) is in my opinion a form of collaboration with whichever future regime chooses to use it to oppress a minority. For example mass fingerprinting and official racial classification in South Africa would not have occurred if it had been resisted by the white population who were not themselves threatened by it. Jon |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-05-10 11:33:03
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Happy to join in, but don't think we could lead. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Selwyn Lloyd Sent: 10 May 2006 10:48 To: bod...@li... Subject: [Bodington-developers] call for partners and leaders in a portability and biometrics project friends, bodders and earthlings, we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a reasonable record in the LL area since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod-dev list is a good place to look for colaborators cheers sel ------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...> - 2006-05-10 13:47:20
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I will ask the projects we work with if their is a leader amongst them... they are more academic / less r n d. but you never know... Andrew Booth wrote: >Happy to join in, but don't think we could lead. > >Aggie > >-----Original Message----- >From: bod...@li... >[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of >Selwyn Lloyd >Sent: 10 May 2006 10:48 >To: bod...@li... >Subject: [Bodington-developers] call for partners and leaders in a >portability and biometrics project > >friends, bodders and earthlings, > >we need a leader and partners for a bid to fund a pilot project... > >to develop systems and usecases suitable for coupling >portable lifelong learning artifacts with biometric security > >we can't lead bids hence our willing and openness to team up, >but we can be an active resource / partner and we do have a reasonable >record in the LL area > >since this is a somewhat disruptive technology i'm hoping the bod-dev >list is a good place to look for colaborators > >cheers > >sel > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job >easier >Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >_______________________________________________ >Bodington-developers mailing list >Bod...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier >Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >_______________________________________________ >Bodington-developers mailing list >Bod...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > |
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