From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-05-02 09:32:54
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Bodders: We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of our users have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd like to open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an installation option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. It sounds like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! How about something like the following (supported by some underlying code obviously). "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are happy to join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group will be able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email will be handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual email addresses" We also have some questions: Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that comes from the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email address is changed, does this new address get imported? Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there 2 separate emails in the system? Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned that people may 'spam colleagues'. What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? Cheers adam |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-02 09:36:56
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I can maybe answer some backend questions Adam. > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications we use the email that's against their record in the bod database. In our case, that comes from LDAP. The source of the email address will be different for different installations of bod. > Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP > feed is processed? yes, for us anyway. > What's if a user gets married and their email address is > changed, does this new address get imported? yes. We use institutional email addresses from LDAP, not personal hotmail ones. > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? I would have said - they'd be ignored. If the user can't manage their inbox that's their problem. In our case, their inbox is managed by UHI so it would be a helpdesk issue. Alistair On 2 May 2006, at 10:30, Adam Marshall wrote: > > > > Bodders: > > We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. > > In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of > our users > have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd > like to > open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK > > The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an > installation > option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. > It sounds > like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! > How about > something like the following (supported by some underlying code > obviously). > > "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are > happy to > join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group > will be > able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email > will be > handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual > email > addresses" > > We also have some questions: > > Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that > comes from > the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the > LDAP > feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email > address is > changed, does this new address get imported? > > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there 2 > separate emails in the system? > > Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned > that people > may 'spam colleagues'. > > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? > > Cheers > > adam > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-05-04 14:48:05
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Was anybody from UHI going to respond to any of my other queries (ie, those in the first half which Al didn't comment upon)? We're quite keen to be involved in the speccing out of this tool to make it as useful as possible. adam | -----Original Message----- | | On 2 May 2006, at 10:30, Adam Marshall wrote: | | > | > | > | > Bodders: | > | > We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. | > | > In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of | > our users | > have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd | > like to | > open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK | > | > The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an | > installation | > option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. | > It sounds | > like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! | > How about | > something like the following (supported by some underlying code | > obviously). | > | > "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are | > happy to | > join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group | > will be | > able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email | > will be | > handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual | > email | > addresses" | > | > We also have some questions: | > | > Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that | > comes from | > the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the | > LDAP | > feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email | > address is | > changed, does this new address get imported? | > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there 2 | > separate emails in the system? | > | > Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned | > that people | > may 'spam colleagues'. | > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? | > | > Cheers | > | > adam | > | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | Sent: 02 May 2006 10:36 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Group Emailer | | I can maybe answer some backend questions Adam. | | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications | we use the email that's against their record in the bod database. In | our case, that comes from LDAP. The source of the email address will | be different for different installations of bod. | | > Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP | > feed is processed? | yes, for us anyway. | | > What's if a user gets married and their email address is | > changed, does this new address get imported? | yes. We use institutional email addresses from LDAP, not personal | hotmail ones. | | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? | I would have said - they'd be ignored. If the user can't manage their | inbox that's their problem. In our case, their inbox is managed by | UHI so it would be a helpdesk issue. | | Alistair | |
From: Naomi M. <na...@sm...> - 2006-05-04 14:57:32
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There is no opt-in or opt-out functionality at the mo. On 4 May 2006, at 15:47, Adam Marshall wrote: > Was anybody from UHI going to respond to any of my other queries > (ie, those > in the first half which Al didn't comment upon)? > > We're quite keen to be involved in the speccing out of this tool to > make it > as useful as possible. > > adam > > | -----Original Message----- > | > | On 2 May 2006, at 10:30, Adam Marshall wrote: > | > | > > | > > | > > | > Bodders: > | > > | > We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. > | > > | > In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of > | > our users > | > have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd > | > like to > | > open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK > | > > | > The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an > | > installation > | > option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. > | > It sounds > | > like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! > | > How about > | > something like the following (supported by some underlying code > | > obviously). > | > > | > "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are > | > happy to > | > join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific > group > | > will be > | > able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email > | > will be > | > handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual > | > email > | > addresses" > | > > | > We also have some questions: > | > > | > Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that > | > comes from > | > the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time > the > | > LDAP > | > feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email > | > address is > | > changed, does this new address get imported? > | > > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are > there 2 > | > separate emails in the system? > | > > | > Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned > | > that people > | > may 'spam colleagues'. > | > > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? > | > > | > Cheers > | > > | > adam > | > > | From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young > | Sent: 02 May 2006 10:36 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Group Emailer > | > | I can maybe answer some backend questions Adam. > | > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications > | we use the email that's against their record in the bod database. In > | our case, that comes from LDAP. The source of the email address will > | be different for different installations of bod. > | > | > Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP > | > feed is processed? > | yes, for us anyway. > | > | > What's if a user gets married and their email address is > | > changed, does this new address get imported? > | yes. We use institutional email addresses from LDAP, not personal > | hotmail ones. > | > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? > | I would have said - they'd be ignored. If the user can't manage > their > | inbox that's their problem. In our case, their inbox is managed by > | UHI so it would be a helpdesk issue. > | > | Alistair > | > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Antony C. <an...@sm...> - 2006-05-04 14:58:32
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On 4 May 2006, at 15:47, Adam Marshall wrote: > Was anybody from UHI going to respond to any of my other queries (ie, > those > in the first half which Al didn't comment upon)? > > We're quite keen to be involved in the speccing out of this tool to > make it > as useful as possible. > > adam > > | -----Original Message----- > | > | On 2 May 2006, at 10:30, Adam Marshall wrote: > | > | > > | > > | > > | > Bodders: > | > > | > We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. > | > > | > In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of > | > our users > | > have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd > | > like to > | > open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK > | > > | > The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an > | > installation > | > option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. > | > It sounds > | > like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! > | > How about > | > something like the following (supported by some underlying code > | > obviously). > | > > | > "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are > | > happy to > | > join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group > | > will be > | > able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email > | > will be > | > handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual > | > email > | > addresses" Seems fine to me, think we should also have user details view where users can edit (if allowed) email address/name etc. Is this something you'd like UHI to contribute? Naomi, you listening?... > | > > | > We also have some questions: > | > > | > Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that > | > comes from > | > the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the > | > LDAP > | > feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email > | > address is > | > changed, does this new address get imported? > | > > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there > 2 > | > separate emails in the system? > | > > | > Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned > | > that people > | > may 'spam colleagues'. > | > > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? > | > > | > Cheers > | > > | > adam > | > > | From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young > | Sent: 02 May 2006 10:36 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Group Emailer > | > | I can maybe answer some backend questions Adam. > | > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications > | we use the email that's against their record in the bod database. In > | our case, that comes from LDAP. The source of the email address will > | be different for different installations of bod. > | > | > Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP > | > feed is processed? > | yes, for us anyway. > | > | > What's if a user gets married and their email address is > | > changed, does this new address get imported? > | yes. We use institutional email addresses from LDAP, not personal > | hotmail ones. > | > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? > | I would have said - they'd be ignored. If the user can't manage their > | inbox that's their problem. In our case, their inbox is managed by > | UHI so it would be a helpdesk issue. > | > | Alistair > | > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-05-04 15:16:32
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I guess we feel that if the group emailer were to go into HEAD then we'd like to see these features in the code, otherwise I think we'd have reservations as to whether the code was general enough. I suppose in the worst case we'd go along with the code so long as hooks have been left so that the addition of our desired requirements wasn't too traumatic. adam | -----Original Message----- | > | > | > | > "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are | > | > happy to | > | > join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group | > | > will be | > | > able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email | > | > will be | > | > handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual | > | > email | > | > addresses" | | Seems fine to me, think we should also have user details view where | users can edit (if allowed) email address/name etc. | Is this something you'd like UHI to contribute? Naomi, you listening?... | | | | > | > | > | > We also have some questions: | > | > | > | > Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that | > | > comes from | > | > the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the | > | > LDAP | > | > feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email | > | > address is | > | > changed, does this new address get imported? | > | > | > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there | > 2 | > | > separate emails in the system? | > | > | > | > Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned | > | > that people | > | > may 'spam colleagues'. | > | > | > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? | > | > | > | > Cheers | > | > | > | > adam | > | > | > | From: bod...@li... | > [mailto:bodington- | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | > | Sent: 02 May 2006 10:36 | > | To: bod...@li... | > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Group Emailer | > | | > | I can maybe answer some backend questions Adam. | > | | > | > Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications | > | we use the email that's against their record in the bod database. In | > | our case, that comes from LDAP. The source of the email address will | > | be different for different installations of bod. | > | | > | > Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP | > | > feed is processed? | > | yes, for us anyway. | > | | > | > What's if a user gets married and their email address is | > | > changed, does this new address get imported? | > | yes. We use institutional email addresses from LDAP, not personal | > | hotmail ones. | > | | > | > What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? | > | I would have said - they'd be ignored. If the user can't manage their | > | inbox that's their problem. In our case, their inbox is managed by | > | UHI so it would be a helpdesk issue. | > | | > | Alistair | > | | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | > security? | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | > easier | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | > Geronimo | > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? | > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...> - 2006-05-02 14:47:17
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Not that I'm a bod developer, but one other thing to consider... Those annoying out of office replys which then spam mail groups when mailing list members have set an out of office reply up... does the UHI group emailer deal with them? [the emails ... not the member :)] We are just doing some group email stuff so these kind of generic use cases / behavioural patterns are of interest. Selwyn Adam Marshall wrote: > >Bodders: > >We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. > >In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of our users >have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd like to >open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK > >The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an installation >option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. It sounds >like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! How about >something like the following (supported by some underlying code obviously). > >"You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are happy to >join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group will be >able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email will be >handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual email >addresses" > >We also have some questions: > >Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that comes from >the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the LDAP >feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email address is >changed, does this new address get imported? > >Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there 2 >separate emails in the system? > >Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned that people >may 'spam colleagues'. > >What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? > >Cheers > >adam > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier >Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >_______________________________________________ >Bodington-developers mailing list >Bod...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-02 15:00:30
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The reply-to is set to the email address of the user who's doing the emailing so they'll get the spam and not the mailer. The mailer just initiates the conversation. Of course, Naomi will put me right if the above is a load of tosh! Alistair On 2 May 2006, at 15:47, Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > Not that I'm a bod developer, but one other thing to consider... > > Those annoying out of office replys which then spam mail groups > when mailing list members have set an out of office reply up... > > does the UHI group emailer deal with them? [the emails ... not the > member :)] > > We are just doing some group email stuff so these kind of generic > use cases / behavioural patterns are of interest. > > Selwyn > > Adam Marshall wrote: > >> >> Bodders: >> >> We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. >> In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of >> our users >> have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd >> like to >> open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK >> >> The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an >> installation >> option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. >> It sounds >> like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! >> How about >> something like the following (supported by some underlying code >> obviously). >> >> "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are >> happy to >> join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific >> group will be >> able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email >> will be >> handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual >> email >> addresses" >> >> We also have some questions: >> >> Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that >> comes from >> the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time >> the LDAP >> feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email >> address is >> changed, does this new address get imported? >> >> Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there 2 >> separate emails in the system? >> >> Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned >> that people >> may 'spam colleagues'. >> >> What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? >> >> Cheers >> >> adam >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Colin T. <col...@ou...> - 2006-05-02 15:55:21
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Alistair Young wrote: > The reply-to is set to the email address of the user who's doing the > emailing so they'll get the spam and not the mailer. > > The mailer just initiates the conversation. Then there's the issue (mentioned previously) of whether the user doing the emailing is entitled to know the email address of the recipient, but dunno if that's really an issue... > Of course, Naomi will put me right if the above is a load of tosh! > > Alistair > > On 2 May 2006, at 15:47, Selwyn Lloyd wrote: > >> Not that I'm a bod developer, but one other thing to consider... >> >> Those annoying out of office replys which then spam mail groups when >> mailing list members have set an out of office reply up... >> >> does the UHI group emailer deal with them? [the emails ... not the >> member :)] >> >> We are just doing some group email stuff so these kind of generic use >> cases / behavioural patterns are of interest. >> >> Selwyn >> >> Adam Marshall wrote: >> >>> >>> Bodders: >>> >>> We've just had a bit of a gab here about the UHI group emailer. >>> In principle we're very interested in this tool as quite a few of >>> our users >>> have been badgering us for a similar sort of functionality. We'd >>> like to >>> open up discussion about this. Hope this is OK >>> >>> The main issue we have is that we feel that there should be an >>> installation >>> option as to whether the whole thing is opt-in or opt-out process. >>> It sounds >>> like UHI imagine it an opt out process, we'd like it to be opt-in! >>> How about >>> something like the following (supported by some underlying code >>> obviously). >>> >>> "You belong to these groups. Please indicate which groups you are >>> happy to >>> join for email. This will mean that any member of a specific group >>> will be >>> able to send email to the signed up members of this group. Email >>> will be >>> handled by the system, so users will not gain access to individual >>> email >>> addresses" >>> >>> We also have some questions: >>> >>> Can users change their 'default' email address, ie, the one that >>> comes from >>> the LDAP? Or is this fixed? Does this get overwritten each time the >>> LDAP >>> feed is processed? What's if a user gets married and their email >>> address is >>> changed, does this new address get imported? >>> >>> Do you use this LDAP-sourced email for notifications, or are there 2 >>> separate emails in the system? >>> >>> Is there a facility to state who can email who? We're concerned that >>> people >>> may 'spam colleagues'. >>> >>> What happens to bounces, say if the user mailbox is full? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> adam -- ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ http://bodington.org |