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[Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

1)
Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll repost 
next week.

I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual 
English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly bilingual. 
They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. but 
will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc. 
So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features 
for Bodington?

2)
Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily 
set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present 
creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing 
Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to 
make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a 
shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of 
adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the 
zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington 
installation code but doing it at runtime.

So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be 
to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain 
rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone 
template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then 
create the zone and create group structures at the location where the 
user invoked the functionality.

Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar?

Jon

Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

Jon Maber wrote:
> 
> So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features 
> for Bodington?
> 

I wouldn't exactly describe it as an idiots guide ;-) , but there are 
various entries in Mr Young's blog on this topic, e.g.:

http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=26

Have a search on 'i18n' for others.

Alexis

RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
| Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
| 
| 1)
| Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll repost
| next week.
| 
| I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual
| English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly bilingual.
| They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. but
| will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc.
| So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features
| for Bodington?

You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates!

| 
| 2)
| Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily
| set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present
| creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
| Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to
| make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a
| shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of
| adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the
| zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
| installation code but doing it at runtime.

See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really use
zones. 

You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in head
yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones. 

The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one user'
page; so that would be warmly received! 

Adam

| 
| So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be
| to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain
| rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
| template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then
| create the zone and create group structures at the location where the
| user invoked the functionality.
| 
| Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar?
| 
| Jon
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Paul T. <pau...@ou...>]

On 27/04/2006 16:13, Adam Marshall wrote:
> | 2)
> | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily
> | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present
> | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
> | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to
> | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a
> | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of
> | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the
> | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
> | installation code but doing it at runtime.
>
> See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really use
> zones. 
>   
Or, rather, we don't really know how to use zones.  So anything to 
clarify the role of zones in user account management, especially account 
creation, would be useful.

We should be making use of at least two zones here - one for Oxford 
users and another for external users: so we ought to have created users 
belonging to allstaff, but not campus.staff, which can be done through 
the user account creation tool within the System Admin zone that's set 
up in a default install, but that zone is really for sys admin 
accounts.  In practice, I've just created all accounts using the same 
tool (within the campus zone).
> | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be
> | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain
> | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
> | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then
> | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the
> | user invoked the functionality.
> | 
> | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar?
>   
Seems OK to me.  In any case, I'd appreciate some nice documentation on 
zones, covering e.g.its rationale and a use case.

- Paul

----------------------------
Paul Trafford
WebLearn Administrator
Computing Services
13 Banbury Road
Oxford OX2 6NN
pau...@ou...
x. 83429
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RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a =
nuisance
and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix
when creating users.  That's certainly the case locally, but I don't =
know if
it got onto HEAD.

I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back.

So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote =
before
anything more about zones goes into HEAD.

Aggie

-----Original Message-----
From: bod...@li...
[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of =
Adam
Marshall
Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14
To: bod...@li...
Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?



| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... =
[mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
| Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
|=20
| 1)
| Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll =
repost
| next week.
|=20
| I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual
| English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly =
bilingual.
| They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. =
but
| will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc.
| So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features
| for Bodington?

You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates!

|=20
| 2)
| Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily
| set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present
| creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
| Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, =
to
| make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a
| shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of
| adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the
| zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
| installation code but doing it at runtime.

See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really =
use
zones.=20

You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in =
head
yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones.=20

The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one =
user'
page; so that would be warmly received!=20

Adam

|=20
| So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be
| to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain
| rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
| template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would =
then
| create the zone and create group structures at the location where the
| user invoked the functionality.
|=20
| Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something =
similar?
|=20
| Jon
|=20
|=20
|=20
|=20
|=20
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable 
option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. I 
would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time 
would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be 
switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones.

Explanation of zones....

The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief 
was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium could 
create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We 
wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for colleges 
to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names. 
Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is 
responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user 
management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from 
messing up another college's accounts.  (However, non-standard user 
management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.)

A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside that 
resource inherit the zone id.  The user management tools then operate in 
that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set its 
zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that 
admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their own 
admin zone when they create users.

The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and 
staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth to 
allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each 
college could run its own identity management server to allow users to 
log into a single shared VLE.  However, my clients are planning to host 
on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and 
possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for them.

In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation at 
Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can 
distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need to 
create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to 
create log-ins for themselves.

Andrew Booth wrote:
> Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a nuisance
> and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix
> when creating users.  That's certainly the case locally, but I don't know if
> it got onto HEAD.
>
> I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back.
>
> So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote before
> anything more about zones goes into HEAD.
>
> Aggie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bod...@li...
> [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Adam
> Marshall
> Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14
> To: bod...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
>
>
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
> | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
> | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22
> | To: bod...@li...
> | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | 
> | 1)
> | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll repost
> | next week.
> | 
> | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual
> | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly bilingual.
> | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. but
> | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc.
> | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features
> | for Bodington?
>
> You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates!
>
> | 
> | 2)
> | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily
> | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present
> | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
> | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to
> | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a
> | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of
> | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the
> | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
> | installation code but doing it at runtime.
>
> See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really use
> zones. 
>
> You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in head
> yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones. 
>
> The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one user'
> page; so that would be warmly received! 
>
> Adam
>
> | 
> | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be
> | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain
> | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
> | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then
> | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the
> | user invoked the functionality.
> | 
> | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar?
> | 
> | Jon
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | -------------------------------------------------------
> | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> | easier
> | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
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>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
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>
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>   

RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki?

adam

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... =
[mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
| Sent: 27 April 2006 18:20
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
|=20
| The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable
| option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. =
I
| would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time
| would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be
| switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones.
|=20
| Explanation of zones....
|=20
| The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief
| was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium =
could
| create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We
| wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for =
colleges
| to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names.
| Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is
| responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user
| management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from
| messing up another college's accounts.  (However, non-standard user
| management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.)
|=20
| A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside =
that
| resource inherit the zone id.  The user management tools then operate =
in
| that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set =
its
| zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that
| admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their =
own
| admin zone when they create users.
|=20
| The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and
| staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth =
to
| allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each
| college could run its own identity management server to allow users to
| log into a single shared VLE.  However, my clients are planning to =
host
| on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and
| possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for =
them.
|=20
| In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation =
at
| Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can
| distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need =
to
| create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to
| create log-ins for themselves.
|=20
| Andrew Booth wrote:
| > Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a
| nuisance
| > and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username =
prefix
| > when creating users.  That's certainly the case locally, but I don't
| know if
| > it got onto HEAD.
| >
| > I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back.
| >
| > So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a =
vote
| before
| > anything more about zones goes into HEAD.
| >
| > Aggie
| >
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: bod...@li...
| > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf =
Of
| Adam
| > Marshall
| > Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14
| > To: bod...@li...
| > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
| >
| >
| >
| > | -----Original Message-----
| > | From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bodington-
| > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
| > | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22
| > | To: bod...@li...
| > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
| > |
| > | 1)
| > | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll
| repost
| > | next week.
| > |
| > | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual
| > | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly
| bilingual.
| > | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files =
etc.
| but
| > | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology =
etc.
| > | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation =
features
| > | for Bodington?
| >
| > You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised =
templates!
| >
| > |
| > | 2)
| > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and =
easily
| > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At =
present
| > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
| > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. =
So,
| to
| > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host =
a
| > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking =
of
| > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create =
the
| > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
| > | installation code but doing it at runtime.
| >
| > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't =
really
| use
| > zones.
| >
| > You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is =
in
| head
| > yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones.
| >
| > The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one
| user'
| > page; so that would be warmly received!
| >
| > Adam
| >
| > |
| > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea =
would be
| > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, =
plain
| > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
| > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and =
would
| then
| > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where =
the
| > | user invoked the functionality.
| > |
| > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something
| similar?
| > |
| > | Jon
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | -------------------------------------------------------
| > | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
| security?
| > | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your =
job
| > | easier
| > | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
| Geronimo
| > | http://sel.as-
| us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D121642
| > | _______________________________________________
| > | Bodington-developers mailing list
| > | Bod...@li...
| > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > -------------------------------------------------------
| > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
| security?
| > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your =
job
| > easier
| > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
| Geronimo
| > =
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D=
121642
| > _______________________________________________
| > Bodington-developers mailing list
| > Bod...@li...
| > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
| >
| >
| >
| > -------------------------------------------------------
| > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
| security?
| > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your =
job
| easier
| > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
| Geronimo
| > =
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642
| > _______________________________________________
| > Bodington-developers mailing list
| > Bod...@li...
| > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
| >
| >
|=20
|=20
|=20
| -------------------------------------------------------
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security?
| Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
| easier
| Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache =
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

Adam Marshall wrote:
> Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki?
> 
> adam

Digest it first then put it into the wiki ;-).

Alexis

RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

You don't expect me to actually read it do you?

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alexis O'Connor
| Sent: 28 April 2006 09:14
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
| 
| Adam Marshall wrote:
| > Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki?
| >
| > adam
| 
| Digest it first then put it into the wiki ;-).
| 
| Alexis
| 
| 
| 
| -------------------------------------------------------
| Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
| Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

Adam Marshall wrote:
> You don't expect me to actually read it do you?
> 

Yes. That way other people might actually read what you put in!

Alexis

Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

Paste away!

Adam Marshall wrote:
> Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki?
>
> adam
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
> | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
> | Sent: 27 April 2006 18:20
> | To: bod...@li...
> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | 
> | The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable
> | option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. I
> | would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time
> | would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be
> | switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones.
> | 
> | Explanation of zones....
> | 
> | The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief
> | was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium could
> | create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We
> | wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for colleges
> | to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names.
> | Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is
> | responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user
> | management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from
> | messing up another college's accounts.  (However, non-standard user
> | management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.)
> | 
> | A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside that
> | resource inherit the zone id.  The user management tools then operate in
> | that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set its
> | zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that
> | admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their own
> | admin zone when they create users.
> | 
> | The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and
> | staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth to
> | allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each
> | college could run its own identity management server to allow users to
> | log into a single shared VLE.  However, my clients are planning to host
> | on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and
> | possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for them.
> | 
> | In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation at
> | Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can
> | distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need to
> | create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to
> | create log-ins for themselves.
> | 
> | Andrew Booth wrote:
> | > Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a
> | nuisance
> | > and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix
> | > when creating users.  That's certainly the case locally, but I don't
> | know if
> | > it got onto HEAD.
> | >
> | > I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back.
> | >
> | > So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote
> | before
> | > anything more about zones goes into HEAD.
> | >
> | > Aggie
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: bod...@li...
> | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
> | Adam
> | > Marshall
> | > Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14
> | > To: bod...@li...
> | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > | -----Original Message-----
> | > | From: bod...@li...
> | [mailto:bodington-
> | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber
> | > | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22
> | > | To: bod...@li...
> | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?
> | > |
> | > | 1)
> | > | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll
> | repost
> | > | next week.
> | > |
> | > | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual
> | > | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly
> | bilingual.
> | > | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc.
> | but
> | > | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc.
> | > | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features
> | > | for Bodington?
> | >
> | > You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates!
> | >
> | > |
> | > | 2)
> | > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily
> | > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present
> | > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing
> | > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So,
> | to
> | > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a
> | > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of
> | > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the
> | > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington
> | > | installation code but doing it at runtime.
> | >
> | > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really
> | use
> | > zones.
> | >
> | > You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in
> | head
> | > yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones.
> | >
> | > The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one
> | user'
> | > page; so that would be warmly received!
> | >
> | > Adam
> | >
> | > |
> | > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be
> | > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain
> | > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone
> | > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would
> | then
> | > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the
> | > | user invoked the functionality.
> | > |
> | > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something
> | similar?
> | > |
> | > | Jon
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
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> | 
> | 
> | 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

Jon Maber wrote:
> Paste away!
> 

Don't give him bad ideas ;-).

Alexis

Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

Jon - in case you haven't see it yet:

http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90

how to localise templates.

Alistair

On 27 Apr 2006, at 13:22, Jon Maber wrote:

> 1)
> Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll  
> repost next week.
>
> I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual  
> English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly  
> bilingual. They probably lack technical expertise in things like  
> XML files etc. but will be more than capable of translating  
> educational terminology etc. So, is there a idiot's guide to using  
> Alistair's localisation features for Bodington?
>
> 2)
> Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and  
> easily set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone.  
> At present creating administrative zones is something that involves  
> bringing Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the  
> database. So, to make life easier for my client (and anyone else  
> who wants to host a shared Bodington installation for multiple  
> clients) I'm thinking of adding zone management functionality.  
> Adding a zone would create the zone itself and a set of groups in  
> the same way as the Bodington installation code but doing it at  
> runtime.
>
> So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would  
> be to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites,  
> plain rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create  
> zone template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and  
> would then create the zone and create group structures at the  
> location where the user invoked the functionality.
>
> Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something  
> similar?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your  
> job easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache  
> Geronimo
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

wot! no bank holiday in scotland?

(Ta for URL.)

Jon

Alistair Young wrote:
> Jon - in case you haven't see it yet:
>
> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90
>
> how to localise templates.
>
> Alistair
>
> On 27 Apr 2006, at 13:22, Jon Maber wrote:
>
>> 1)
>> Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll 
>> repost next week.
>>
>> I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual 
>> English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly 
>> bilingual. They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML 
>> files etc. but will be more than capable of translating educational 
>> terminology etc. So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's 
>> localisation features for Bodington?
>>
>> 2)
>> Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and 
>> easily set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At 
>> present creating administrative zones is something that involves 
>> bringing Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the 
>> database. So, to make life easier for my client (and anyone else who 
>> wants to host a shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) 
>> I'm thinking of adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone 
>> would create the zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as 
>> the Bodington installation code but doing it at runtime.
>>
>> So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would 
>> be to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, 
>> plain rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create 
>> zone template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and 
>> would then create the zone and create group structures at the 
>> location where the user invoked the functionality.
>>
>> Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, 
>> security?
>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your 
>> job easier
>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache 
>> Geronimo
>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Bod...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
>
>
>
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> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones?

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

Alistair Young wrote:
> Jon - in case you haven't see it yet:
> 
> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90
> 
> how to localise templates.
> 
> Alistair
> 

Ah yes, that's the page I meant too. I thought the one I suggested 
didn't bear much resemblance to the one I remembered ;-).

Alexis