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RE: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Colin T. <col...@co...>]

Adam sed:

> > So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and then
> > distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
> then doing the
> > edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we are
> > already
> > a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!

Alistair replied:

> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
> and including
> instructions on how to localise a template:
> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90


... and I think that looks great!


The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in that have
your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text, 'manage'
link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating others.

A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they are?
We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in the
new templates, which could save a lot of work.

Colin


____________________________________
Colin Tatham
VLE Team
Oxford University Computing Services
www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
www.bodington.org



> -----Original Message-----
> From: bod...@li...
> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of
> Alistair Young
> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12
> To: bod...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean
>
>
> Adam,
> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
> and including
> instructions on how to localise a template:
> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90
> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf - perhaps
> someone may know?
> Alistair
>
>
> --
> Alistair Young
> Senior Software Engineer
> UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig
> Isle of Skye
> Scotland
>
> > So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and then
> > distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
> then doing the
> > edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we are
> > already
> > a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
> >
> > We're going to have institutional commitments soon which
> will prevent us
> > from helping out with the internationalisation.
> >
> > adam
> >
> > --
> > Adam Marshall:       OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN.
> > Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
> > Blog:                http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/
> > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Colin T. <col...@co...>]

> It was originally for i18n - if the templates are too verbose that's
> another problem entirely.

Yes, I agree. (I wasn't talking about i18n at all in my email, and I want to
know about the other UHI template improvements...)

> delay translation even more
> while the templates are updated to some other format.

I'm hoping for some fairly small and simple changes (ha! silly me!)

Colin

____________________________________
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VLE Team
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www.bodington.org



> -----Original Message-----
> From: bod...@li...
> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of
> Alistair Young
> Sent: 14 June 2005 17:49
> To: bod...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and
> sean)
>
>
> It was originally for i18n - if the templates are too verbose that's
> another problem entirely. The danger now is we delay
> translation even more
> while the templates are updated to some other format.
>
> Who was coordinating the template divvy-up and merge into sf? fc?
>
> Alistair
>
>
> --
> Alistair Young
> Senior Software Engineer
> UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig
> Isle of Skye
> Scotland
>
> >
> > Adam sed:
> >
> >> > So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into
> SF and then
> >> > distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
> >> then doing the
> >> > edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7
> june so we are
> >> > already
> >> > a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
> >
> > Alistair replied:
> >
> >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
> >> and including
> >> instructions on how to localise a template:
> >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90
> >
> >
> > ... and I think that looks great!
> >
> >
> > The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates
> are in that have
> > your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help
> text, 'manage'
> > link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start
> updating others.
> >
> > A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML
> templates as they are?
> > We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
> > slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the
> <building> tags in the
> > new templates, which could save a lot of work.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________
> > Colin Tatham
> > VLE Team
> > Oxford University Computing Services
> > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
> > www.bodington.org
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bod...@li...
> >>
> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of
> >> Alistair Young
> >> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12
> >> To: bod...@li...
> >> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean
> >>
> >>
> >> Adam,
> >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
> >> and including
> >> instructions on how to localise a template:
> >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90
> >> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf
> - perhaps
> >> someone may know?
> >> Alistair
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alistair Young
> >> Senior Software Engineer
> >> UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig
> >> Isle of Skye
> >> Scotland
> >>
> >> > So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into
> SF and then
> >> > distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
> >> then doing the
> >> > edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7
> june so we are
> >> > already
> >> > a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
> >> >
> >> > We're going to have institutional commitments soon which
> >> will prevent us
> >> > from helping out with the internationalisation.
> >> >
> >> > adam
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Adam Marshall:       OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN.
> >> > Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
> >> > Blog:                http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/
> >> > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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RE: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

>
> A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they a=
re?
> We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
> slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in t=
he
> new templates, which could save a lot of work.
>


++2!

Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates

[Matthew B. <mat...@co...>]

Sean Mehan wrote:
>>A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they are?
>>We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
>>slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in the
>>new templates, which could save a lot of work.
>
> ++2!

I've got a basic patch for building tags in new style templates in 
WebLearn HEAD but I'm not sure about the impact of this as its all a bit 
scary.

To convert an only style template to a new style you have to:

Change the DOCTYPE and add an xml header:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<!DOCTYPE template PUBLIC "xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd" 
"http://bodington.org/dtd/xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd">

Add <template> tags around the <html> tags.

Quote all attributes.

Balance all tags (eg <input> to <input/>).

While working on this I discovered that at the moment it is impossible 
to put an empty <textarea> in a new style template as it gets collapsed 
to an single textarea which is not rendered correctly by the browser. I 
also have a fix for this (which is ugly).

-- 
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| VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group               |
| Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/       |
+------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+

[Bodington-developers] messin' wi' Templates

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

You can use HTMLParser (http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/) to go from badly
formed HTML to well formed xHTML, ie, add closing tags, quoted attributes
and the like automatically.

You could almost certainly do other stuff whilst you're at it like 

	<html> -> <template><html>
 	</html> -> </html></template>

Would it be an idea to look into this as a time saving exercise?

You would also be able to make sure that <textarea/> appears as
<textarea></textarea> as well.

Adam

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| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett
| Sent: 15 June 2005 15:51
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates
| 
| Sean Mehan wrote:
| >>A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they
| are?
| >>We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
| >>slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in
| the
| >>new templates, which could save a lot of work.
| >
| > ++2!
| 
| I've got a basic patch for building tags in new style templates in
| WebLearn HEAD but I'm not sure about the impact of this as its all a bit
| scary.
| 
| To convert an only style template to a new style you have to:
| 
| Change the DOCTYPE and add an xml header:
| <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
| <!DOCTYPE template PUBLIC "xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd"
| "http://bodington.org/dtd/xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd">
| 
| Add <template> tags around the <html> tags.
| 
| Quote all attributes.
| 
| Balance all tags (eg <input> to <input/>).
| 
| While working on this I discovered that at the moment it is impossible
| to put an empty <textarea> in a new style template as it gets collapsed
| to an single textarea which is not rendered correctly by the browser. I
| also have a fix for this (which is ugly).
| 
| --
| +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+
| | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group               |
| | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/       |
| +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+
| 
| 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] messin' wi' Templates

[Matthew B. <mat...@co...>]

Adam Marshall wrote:
> You can use HTMLParser (http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/) to go from badly
> formed HTML to well formed xHTML, ie, add closing tags, quoted attributes
> and the like automatically.
> 
> You could almost certainly do other stuff whilst you're at it like 
> 
> 	<html> -> <template><html>
>  	</html> -> </html></template>
> 
> Would it be an idea to look into this as a time saving exercise?

Does it stip out things that don't conform to the DTD though? If so we 
might have to hack it to support the idea of the extra html tags allowed 
in Bodington templates.

> You would also be able to make sure that <textarea/> appears as
> <textarea></textarea> as well.

The textarea problem was that the template source contained the closing 
tag but all XML parsers collapse the opening and closing tags into one 
so when it passes through the template compilation it comes out as one.

The fix was to just ass support to the XmlTemplate compiler so it deals 
with a <textarea> tag specially.

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| Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/       |
+------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+

RE: [Bodington-developers] messin' wi' Templates

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

--
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Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett
| Sent: 15 June 2005 17:25
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] messin' wi' Templates
| 
| Adam Marshall wrote:
| > You can use HTMLParser (http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/) to go from
| badly
| > formed HTML to well formed xHTML, ie, add closing tags, quoted
| attributes
| > and the like automatically.
| >
| > You could almost certainly do other stuff whilst you're at it like
| >
| > 	<html> -> <template><html>
| >  	</html> -> </html></template>
| >
| > Would it be an idea to look into this as a time saving exercise?
| 
| Does it stip out things that don't conform to the DTD though? If so we
| might have to hack it to support the idea of the extra html tags allowed
| in Bodington templates.

HTMLParser builds up a DOM tree from the HTML so you could achieve this. But
then again - it may take longer to do this automatically than by hand. But
then again it would help people like Eton who have their own templates. But
then again Eton wont want their templates i18nalised. But then again ... 

| 
| > You would also be able to make sure that <textarea/> appears as
| > <textarea></textarea> as well.
| 
| The textarea problem was that the template source contained the closing
| tag but all XML parsers collapse the opening and closing tags into one
| so when it passes through the template compilation it comes out as one.
| 
| The fix was to just ass support to the XmlTemplate compiler so it deals
| with a <textarea> tag specially.

Indeed.

Adam

| 
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RE: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

It was originally for i18n - if the templates are too verbose that's
another problem entirely. The danger now is we delay translation even mor=
e
while the templates are updated to some other format.

Who was coordinating the template divvy-up and merge into sf? fc?

Alistair


--=20
Alistair Young
Senior Software Engineer
UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
Isle of Skye
Scotland

>
> Adam sed:
>
>> > So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and then
>> > distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
>> then doing the
>> > edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we are
>> > already
>> > a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
>
> Alistair replied:
>
>> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
>> and including
>> instructions on how to localise a template:
>> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
>
>
> ... and I think that looks great!
>
>
> The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in that h=
ave
> your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text, 'mana=
ge'
> link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating other=
s.
>
> A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they a=
re?
> We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
> slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in t=
he
> new templates, which could save a lot of work.
>
> Colin
>
>
> ____________________________________
> Colin Tatham
> VLE Team
> Oxford University Computing Services
> www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
> www.bodington.org
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bod...@li...
>> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of
>> Alistair Young
>> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12
>> To: bod...@li...
>> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean
>>
>>
>> Adam,
>> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
>> and including
>> instructions on how to localise a template:
>> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
>> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf - perhaps
>> someone may know?
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alistair Young
>> Senior Software Engineer
>> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
>> Isle of Skye
>> Scotland
>>
>> > So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and then
>> > distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
>> then doing the
>> > edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we are
>> > already
>> > a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
>> >
>> > We're going to have institutional commitments soon which
>> will prevent us
>> > from helping out with the internationalisation.
>> >
>> > adam
>> >
>> > --
>> > Adam Marshall:       OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN.
>> > Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
>> > Blog:                http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/
>> > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------
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>> far can you
>> > shotput
>> > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the
>> office luge
>> > track?
>> > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
>> > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D=
20
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Bod...@li...
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>> >
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Antony C. <an...@sm...>]

Sorry folks I am still catching up on my email...

The templates (updated interface) are ready for merging. Am I right in=20=

thinking that I do this after the other updates? Do we have a current=20
list of progress on cvs merges?

Antony

On 14 Jun 2005, at 13:00, Colin Tatham wrote:

>
> Adam sed:
>
>>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and then
>>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
>> then doing the
>>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we are
>>> already
>>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
>
> Alistair replied:
>
>> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
>> and including
>> instructions on how to localise a template:
>> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
>
>
> ... and I think that looks great!
>
>
> The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in that=20=

> have
> your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text,=20
> 'manage'
> link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating=20
> others.
>
> A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they=20=

> are?
> We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
> slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in=20=

> the
> new templates, which could save a lot of work.
>
> Colin
>
>
> ____________________________________
> Colin Tatham
> VLE Team
> Oxford University Computing Services
> www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
> www.bodington.org
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bod...@li...
>> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of
>> Alistair Young
>> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12
>> To: bod...@li...
>> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean
>>
>>
>> Adam,
>> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
>> and including
>> instructions on how to localise a template:
>> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
>> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf - perhaps
>> someone may know?
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alistair Young
>> Senior Software Engineer
>> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
>> Isle of Skye
>> Scotland
>>
>>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and then
>>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
>> then doing the
>>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we are
>>> already
>>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
>>>
>>> We're going to have institutional commitments soon which
>> will prevent us
>>> from helping out with the internationalisation.
>>>
>>> adam
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

According to our (non-interactive) whiteboard - we have done all our =
updates
and are now waiting for the new templates to go in after which we can =
add
more of our updates.

We didn=92t add exactly what we said we would - the chaps in the know =
(you
know - those three there) - say that we should wait to add facility CSS
abstraction, and img tag title att fix. I'm not too sure about template
compilation as Alexis is away - he's back tomorrow.

So do your stuff.
adam

--
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Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
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Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)=20

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li... =
[mailto:bodington-
| dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Antony Corfield
| Sent: 15 June 2005 15:50
| To: bod...@li...
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and
| sean)
|=20
| Sorry folks I am still catching up on my email...
|=20
| The templates (updated interface) are ready for merging. Am I right in
| thinking that I do this after the other updates? Do we have a current
| list of progress on cvs merges?
|=20
| Antony
|=20
| On 14 Jun 2005, at 13:00, Colin Tatham wrote:
|=20
| >
| > Adam sed:
| >
| >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and =
then
| >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
| >> then doing the
| >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we =
are
| >>> already
| >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
| >
| > Alistair replied:
| >
| >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
| >> and including
| >> instructions on how to localise a template:
| >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
| >
| >
| > ... and I think that looks great!
| >
| >
| > The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in =
that
| > have
| > your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text,
| > 'manage'
| > link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating
| > others.
| >
| > A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as =
they
| > are?
| > We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them
| > slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags =
in
| > the
| > new templates, which could save a lot of work.
| >
| > Colin
| >
| >
| > ____________________________________
| > Colin Tatham
| > VLE Team
| > Oxford University Computing Services
| > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
| > www.bodington.org
| >
| >
| >
| >> -----Original Message-----
| >> From: bod...@li...
| >> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf =
Of
| >> Alistair Young
| >> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12
| >> To: bod...@li...
| >> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean
| >>
| >>
| >> Adam,
| >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
| >> and including
| >> instructions on how to localise a template:
| >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
| >> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf - =
perhaps
| >> someone may know?
| >> Alistair
| >>
| >>
| >> --
| >> Alistair Young
| >> Senior Software Engineer
| >> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
| >> Isle of Skye
| >> Scotland
| >>
| >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and =
then
| >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
| >> then doing the
| >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we =
are
| >>> already
| >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
| >>>
| >>> We're going to have institutional commitments soon which
| >> will prevent us
| >>> from helping out with the internationalisation.
| >>>
| >>> adam
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> Adam Marshall:       OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN.
| >>> Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
| >>> Blog:                http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/
| >>> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> -------------------------------------------------------
| >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games.  How
| >> far can you
| >>> shotput
| >>> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the
| >> office luge
| >>> track?
| >>> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
| >>> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: =
http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20
| >>> _______________________________________________
| >>> Bodington-developers mailing list
| >>> Bod...@li...
| >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> -------------------------------------------------------
| >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games.  How far
| >> can you shotput
| >> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the
| >> office luge track?
| >> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
| >> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r
| >> _______________________________________________
| >> Bodington-developers mailing list
| >> Bod...@li...
| >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
| >>
| >
| >
| >
| > -------------------------------------------------------
| > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games.  How far can =
you
| > shotput
| > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office
| > luge track?
| > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
| > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: =
http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20
| > _______________________________________________
| > Bodington-developers mailing list
| > Bod...@li...
| > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
|=20
|=20
|=20
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and sean)

[Antony C. <an...@sm...>]

OK I will start on this tomorrow and will let everyone know when I have=20=

finished.
Antony

On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:09, Adam Marshall wrote:

> According to our (non-interactive) whiteboard - we have done all our=20=

> updates
> and are now waiting for the new templates to go in after which we can=20=

> add
> more of our updates.
>
> We didn=92t add exactly what we said we would - the chaps in the know=20=

> (you
> know - those three there) - say that we should wait to add facility =
CSS
> abstraction, and img tag title att fix. I'm not too sure about =
template
> compilation as Alexis is away - he's back tomorrow.
>
> So do your stuff.
> adam
>
> --
> Adam Marshall:       OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN.
> Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
> Blog:                http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/
> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li...=20
> [mailto:bodington-
> | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Antony Corfield
> | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:50
> | To: bod...@li...
> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair =
and
> | sean)
> |
> | Sorry folks I am still catching up on my email...
> |
> | The templates (updated interface) are ready for merging. Am I right=20=

> in
> | thinking that I do this after the other updates? Do we have a =
current
> | list of progress on cvs merges?
> |
> | Antony
> |
> | On 14 Jun 2005, at 13:00, Colin Tatham wrote:
> |
> | >
> | > Adam sed:
> | >
> | >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and=20=

> then
> | >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
> | >> then doing the
> | >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we=20=

> are
> | >>> already
> | >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
> | >
> | > Alistair replied:
> | >
> | >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
> | >> and including
> | >> instructions on how to localise a template:
> | >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
> | >
> | >
> | > ... and I think that looks great!
> | >
> | >
> | > The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in=20=

> that
> | > have
> | > your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text,
> | > 'manage'
> | > link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating
> | > others.
> | >
> | > A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as=20=

> they
> | > are?
> | > We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify=20
> them
> | > slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags=20=

> in
> | > the
> | > new templates, which could save a lot of work.
> | >
> | > Colin
> | >
> | >
> | > ____________________________________
> | > Colin Tatham
> | > VLE Team
> | > Oxford University Computing Services
> | > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
> | > www.bodington.org
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >> -----Original Message-----
> | >> From: bod...@li...
> | >> [mailto:bod...@li...]On=20
> Behalf Of
> | >> Alistair Young
> | >> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12
> | >> To: bod...@li...
> | >> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> Adam,
> | >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready
> | >> and including
> | >> instructions on how to localise a template:
> | >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90
> | >> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf -=20
> perhaps
> | >> someone may know?
> | >> Alistair
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> --
> | >> Alistair Young
> | >> Senior Software Engineer
> | >> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
> | >> Isle of Skye
> | >> Scotland
> | >>
> | >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and=20=

> then
> | >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and
> | >> then doing the
> | >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we=20=

> are
> | >>> already
> | >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet!
> | >>>
> | >>> We're going to have institutional commitments soon which
> | >> will prevent us
> | >>> from helping out with the internationalisation.
> | >>>
> | >>> adam
> | >>>
> | >>> --
> | >>> Adam Marshall:       OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN.
> | >>> Shameless plug:      Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org
> | >>> Blog:                http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/
> | >>> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>> -------------------------------------------------------
> | >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games.  How
> | >> far can you
> | >>> shotput
> | >>> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the
> | >> office luge
> | >>> track?
> | >>> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy.
> | >>> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display:=20
> http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20
> | >>> _______________________________________________
> | >>> Bodington-developers mailing list
> | >>> Bod...@li...
> | >>> =
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
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> | >> office luge track?
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> | >> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r
> | >> _______________________________________________
> | >> Bodington-developers mailing list
> | >> Bod...@li...
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> | >>
> | >
> | >
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> | > shotput
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