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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-03-29 14:35:47
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> From: Jon Maber > Can frame sizes be specified in units of em? No. Percentage of total space, number of pixels, or ratio of this frame to other frames. Ems are only relevant once you know what font you're dealing with, and framesets are unaware of this. However, it might be possible to devise a piece of Javascript that hacked at the size of the frame after the top bar had loaded... You'd get a nasty resize effect if you weren't careful, and it wouldn't work on downlevel browsers, but those are the prices one pays for trying to use frames in a page design with variable-sized elements. - Peter |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-03-29 14:42:56
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> From: Peter Crowther > the prices one pays for trying to > use frames in a page design with variable-sized elements. Thinking on (and thinking aloud, beware half-baked ideas in this email)... If the main page were to be redesigned as a standard HTML page with a div containing an iframe, it could look (and behave) very similarly, but the iframe could be sized based on the remaining space on the page after the top border had taken space. So: <html> ... <body> <div id=3D"top"> ... Contents of current top frame... </div> <div id=3D"main"> <iframe width=3D"100%" height=3D"100%" src=3D"..."/> </div> </body> </html> Then standard CSS - or tables - could be used to size the top and main divs. - Peter |
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From: Owen D. <owe...@ou...> - 2006-03-29 15:02:31
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i think this idea has been banded around here, seem to remember matthew suggesting something along these lines. certainly makes sense as there is no good reason for the top section to be a frame. owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Crowther" <Pet...@me...> To: <bod...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] frame query > From: Peter Crowther > the prices one pays for trying to > use frames in a page design with variable-sized elements. Thinking on (and thinking aloud, beware half-baked ideas in this email)... If the main page were to be redesigned as a standard HTML page with a div containing an iframe, it could look (and behave) very similarly, but the iframe could be sized based on the remaining space on the page after the top border had taken space. So: <html> ... <body> <div id="top"> ... Contents of current top frame... </div> <div id="main"> <iframe width="100%" height="100%" src="..."/> </div> </body> </html> Then standard CSS - or tables - could be used to size the top and main divs. - Peter ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-03-29 15:58:47
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Regarding ctrl+ that's what I was refering to when I mentioned users setting large fonts. In the old design it didn't matter much because the title frame was much simpler - icons on left, icons on right, title of resource in the middle. The frame was sized to fit the icons and for average size text the height of the frame was 3 times the height of the text. Therefore the font could be increased to 300% and still fit the title into one line. Now the frame is more cramped and there is stuff below the title and icons which can get pushed down. I think this can be improved a lot on the present design with better use of CSS styling. For example, there seems to be a top margin or padding that for big text gets very very big so not even the first line of the title remains visible. So, set the top margin and padding to zero or fixed measure in pixels. Also the grey bpx needs to be set to a fixed height so that large text is clipped rather than push the white area down. By the way having the top as a frame does have some uses for accessibility (as long as the user knows how to properly configure their browser). Also, does it matter that IFRAME is only available in the loose DTD, not strict? Jon Owen Davies wrote: > i think this idea has been banded around here, seem to remember > matthew suggesting something along these lines. certainly makes sense > as there is no good reason for the top section to be a frame. > > owen > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Crowther" > <Pet...@me...> > To: <bod...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:42 PM > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] frame query > > >> From: Peter Crowther >> the prices one pays for trying to >> use frames in a page design with variable-sized elements. > > > Thinking on (and thinking aloud, beware half-baked ideas in this > email)... If the main page were to be redesigned as a standard HTML page > with a div containing an iframe, it could look (and behave) very > similarly, but the iframe could be sized based on the remaining space on > the page after the top border had taken space. So: > > <html> > ... > <body> > <div id="top"> > ... Contents of current top frame... > </div> > <div id="main"> > <iframe width="100%" height="100%" src="..."/> > </div> > </body> > </html> > > Then standard CSS - or tables - could be used to size the top and main > divs. > > - Peter > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-03-29 15:05:08
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> From: Owen Davies > more of an issue than fonts is the ctrl + '+' problem on=20 > firefox etc. Yep. The only way of fixing that is for the browser to be aware that the size of the container is set by the content - which means the container for the top bar cannot be a frame, it must be a table cell or a div. Hence my comments about an iframe. - Peter |
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From: Owen D. <owe...@ou...> - 2006-03-29 14:44:23
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more of an issue than fonts is the ctrl + '+' problem on firefox etc. the login information disappears after a couple of taps. if users have their browsers set to enlarge text before they view a page they won't know that content is missing... owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Crowther" <Pet...@me...> To: <bod...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] frame query > From: Jon Maber > Can frame sizes be specified in units of em? No. Percentage of total space, number of pixels, or ratio of this frame to other frames. Ems are only relevant once you know what font you're dealing with, and framesets are unaware of this. However, it might be possible to devise a piece of Javascript that hacked at the size of the frame after the top bar had loaded... You'd get a nasty resize effect if you weren't careful, and it wouldn't work on downlevel browsers, but those are the prices one pays for trying to use frames in a page design with variable-sized elements. - Peter ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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