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RE: [bme-develop] bme-develop digest

[D. G. <A00...@it...>]

I like it a lot!!

Really nice for a muckup. I hope we can see it soon in the Bme web 
page. 
I agree with Simon about changing the section  "Advices and Reactions" 
to "Feedback", also adding the downloads section and from there get to 
the CVS.

Regards,
Daniel

> > I think we also should include a download section ;), where the 
> > packages 
> > will be available...maybe drop the cvs section for that...so we can 
> > offer 
> > packages in the download section and also explain how to download 
> > the 
> > code 
> > from cvs, for example:
> > 
> > Downloads:
> > ---------------
> > 
> > *Bme_x86_net_server.pkg
> > *Bme_x86_BONE.pkg
> > *Bme_ppc.pkg
> > 
> > CVS Instructions:
> > ----------------------
> > 
> > Bladiebla cvs login...bladiebla cvs download ;)
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> Yes, sounds like a good idea.
> 
> > I really like the advice and reactions section!!! as we surely want 
> > to make 
> > a user friendly app (with emphasis on the USER) we need that advice 
> > and 
> > reactions!  nice!
> 
> I agree we need a section like that, but "Advices and Reactions" does 
> not make a lot of sense in English. "Advice" is something we give 
> people (a better name would be "Tips and Tricks" or something), and 
> "Reactions" are things they give us - this would be better called 
> "Feedback".
> 
> About the header - we decided on the capitalisation "Bme" instead of 
> "BME", and the full name "Be-messeng-er" (but mainly for the beer 
> connection). This was only ever meant to be a temporary name though, 
> so 
> I guess it's not all that important.
> 
> Also it would be nice if the tracker windown in the header was 
> replaced 
> with a Bme window.
> 
> Looks very nice overall though.
> 
> Simon
>  
> > regards,
> > 
> > Tim
> > 

RE: [bme-develop] bme-develop digest

[Simon T. <sj...@ca...>]

> I think we also should include a download section ;), where the 
> packages 
> will be available...maybe drop the cvs section for that...so we can 
> offer 
> packages in the download section and also explain how to download the 
> code 
> from cvs, for example:
> 
> Downloads:
> ---------------
> 
> *Bme_x86_net_server.pkg
> *Bme_x86_BONE.pkg
> *Bme_ppc.pkg
> 
> CVS Instructions:
> ----------------------
> 
> Bladiebla cvs login...bladiebla cvs download ;)
> 
> What do you think?

Yes, sounds like a good idea.

> I really like the advice and reactions section!!! as we surely want 
> to make 
> a user friendly app (with emphasis on the USER) we need that advice 
> and 
> reactions!  nice!

I agree we need a section like that, but "Advices and Reactions" does 
not make a lot of sense in English. "Advice" is something we give 
people (a better name would be "Tips and Tricks" or something), and 
"Reactions" are things they give us - this would be better called 
"Feedback".

About the header - we decided on the capitalisation "Bme" instead of 
"BME", and the full name "Be-messeng-er" (but mainly for the beer 
connection). This was only ever meant to be a temporary name though, so 
I guess it's not all that important.

Also it would be nice if the tracker windown in the header was replaced 
with a Bme window.

Looks very nice overall though.

Simon
 
> regards,
> 
> Tim
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RE: [bme-develop] Is there something horribly broken in CVS?

[Simon T. <sj...@ca...>]

Maybe there are some new changes that cause problems. My personal 
project file is a bit out of sync anyway, with the work-in-progress on 
the emoticons.

Later today I'll try to get a clean CVS and see what happens.

Simon

> Very weird!
> 
> I'll try building it later...haven't got time now....I must say I 
> mainly use 
> the BONE project file...I believe Simon is the only one using the 
> net_server 
> file....but he's currently busy working on Firefox....maybe he can 
> try 
> building the net_server version, as it doesn't work on BONE 
> installations(doesn't login to msn server)
> 
> regards,
> 
> Tim
> 
> >From: Cian Duffy <my...@gm...>
> >Reply-To: bme...@li...
> >To: bme...@li...
> >Subject: [bme-develop] Is there something horribly broken in CVS?
> >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:03:20 +0100
> >
> >I compiled off a clean from CVS version a few days ago, on a clean 
> > R5,
> >with the net_server build of cryptlib, and after the initial
> >connection attempt, nothing. Dead silence.
> >
> >I was on a 2Mbit WAN connection at the time, so latencies were 
> > 'bad',
> >but still better than DSL on BT in rural areas, from my experience -
> >113msecs to Google.
> >
> >One of the devs should try building clean from CVS to see is there 
> > an
> >issue, or is my apparently clean R5 somehow dirty...
> >
> >I think the compile is broken on Dano again, btw.... I'll take a 
> > look
> >at that later on today.
> >
> >Cian/MYOB
> >
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RE: [bme-develop] Is there something horribly broken in CVS?

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Very weird!

I'll try building it later...haven't got time now....I must say I mainly use 
the BONE project file...I believe Simon is the only one using the net_server 
file....but he's currently busy working on Firefox....maybe he can try 
building the net_server version, as it doesn't work on BONE 
installations(doesn't login to msn server)

regards,

Tim

>From: Cian Duffy <my...@gm...>
>Reply-To: bme...@li...
>To: bme...@li...
>Subject: [bme-develop] Is there something horribly broken in CVS?
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:03:20 +0100
>
>I compiled off a clean from CVS version a few days ago, on a clean R5,
>with the net_server build of cryptlib, and after the initial
>connection attempt, nothing. Dead silence.
>
>I was on a 2Mbit WAN connection at the time, so latencies were 'bad',
>but still better than DSL on BT in rural areas, from my experience -
>113msecs to Google.
>
>One of the devs should try building clean from CVS to see is there an
>issue, or is my apparently clean R5 somehow dirty...
>
>I think the compile is broken on Dano again, btw.... I'll take a look
>at that later on today.
>
>Cian/MYOB
>
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RE: [bme-develop] bme-develop digest

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey Rémi,

>Cause it's hard to sleep when you get back from abroad, i have done a short
>picture of a BME website this night at 2am. So it's a 2am work, don't be to
>hard ;) It's a first shot ...
>
>You can see it here: 
>http://www.beosfrance.com/muckups/BME/BME-website01.jpg
>
wow! if this is a 2am work for you, I can't wait to see a "normal work", it 
looks fantastic! If you need any help implementing it (php/mysql) just let 
me know! I see you also thought about the available sections:

-News
-About Bme
-Screenshots
-CVS
-Links
-Advice and reactions
-Contact us

I think we also should include a download section ;), where the packages 
will be available...maybe drop the cvs section for that...so we can offer 
packages in the download section and also explain how to download the code 
from cvs, for example:

Downloads:
---------------

*Bme_x86_net_server.pkg
*Bme_x86_BONE.pkg
*Bme_ppc.pkg

CVS Instructions:
----------------------

Bladiebla cvs login...bladiebla cvs download ;)

What do you think?

I really like the advice and reactions section!!! as we surely want to make 
a user friendly app (with emphasis on the USER) we need that advice and 
reactions!  nice!

regards,

Tim

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[bme-develop] Is there something horribly broken in CVS?

[Cian D. <my...@gm...>]

I compiled off a clean from CVS version a few days ago, on a clean R5,
with the net_server build of cryptlib, and after the initial
connection attempt, nothing. Dead silence.

I was on a 2Mbit WAN connection at the time, so latencies were 'bad',
but still better than DSL on BT in rural areas, from my experience -
113msecs to Google.

One of the devs should try building clean from CVS to see is there an
issue, or is my apparently clean R5 somehow dirty...

I think the compile is broken on Dano again, btw.... I'll take a look
at that later on today.

Cian/MYOB

[bme-develop] bme-develop digest

[<re...@be...>]

> > Today's Topics:
>    1. Webpage (Sir Mik)
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > just discussed this with Rémi(from BeosFrance)...I think we desperately
> need
> > a new homepage for Bme...I want to start with this: ask a friend to do
the
> > html and work together with Rémi to program the php as he has offered to
> > help us with that. But now: what do we need on our homepage? a news
> section
> > of course....but what else?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > P.s. Rémi subscribed to this list so we can discuss it with him here!
> >



> Hi everybody :)





> Hello,
>
>   I fixed the bug you mention, also added the online sorting in the
> ContactListView and last I modified Common::getMsnBuddy to return a
> Contact rather than a ContactItem and made the necessary modifications.
> I've commited these changes.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>



> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > I committed the emoticongrid code yesterday...it also includes some
changes
> > in the contactlistview! So make sure your new code isn't overridden
> > by mine.
> > Also this code may contain some bugs...I'll try to fix these ASAP.
> > Also status changes aren't changed directly...sometimes (scroll and the
> > status changes) I'll try to fix this too. But now you can start working
on
> > the contactlistview! Hope you commit the sorting fix soon!
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >




> Nice work!
>
> I updated the emoticongrid view, committed that too...but still needs a
bit
> of work...after that I'll have a look at the contact and user
caching...and
> fix some other bugs...
>
> Btw...welcome to this list Rémi,
>
> regards,
>
> Tim




> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >   I fixed the bug you mention, also added the online sorting in the
> >ContactListView and last I modified Common::getMsnBuddy to return a
> >Contact rather than a ContactItem and made the necessary modifications.
> >I've commited these changes.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Daniel
> >
> > > Hi Daniel,
> > >
> > > I committed the emoticongrid code yesterday...it also includes some
> > > changes in the contactlistview! So make sure your new code isn't
overridden
> > > by mine.
> > > Also this code may contain some bugs...I'll try to fix these ASAP.
> > > Also status changes aren't changed directly...sometimes (scroll and
the
> > > status changes) I'll try to fix this too. But now you can start
working on
> > > the contactlistview! Hope you commit the sorting fix soon!
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Tim




Thanks Tim !

Cause it's hard to sleep when you get back from abroad, i have done a short
picture of a BME website this night at 2am. So it's a 2am work, don't be to
hard ;) It's a first shot ...

You can see it here: http://www.beosfrance.com/muckups/BME/BME-website01.jpg

Remi

RE: [bme-develop] Little changes in the ContactListView

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Nice work!

I updated the emoticongrid view, committed that too...but still needs a bit 
of work...after that I'll have a look at the contact and user caching...and 
fix some other bugs...

Btw...welcome to this list Rémi,

regards,

Tim

>From: "Héctor Daniel Guajardo" <A00...@it...>
>Reply-To: bme...@li...
>To: bme...@li...
>Subject: RE: [bme-develop] Little changes in the ContactListView
>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:56:20 -0600 CST
>
>Hello,
>
>   I fixed the bug you mention, also added the online sorting in the
>ContactListView and last I modified Common::getMsnBuddy to return a
>Contact rather than a ContactItem and made the necessary modifications.
>I've commited these changes.
>
>Regards,
>Daniel
>
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > I committed the emoticongrid code yesterday...it also includes some
> > changes
> > in the contactlistview! So make sure your new code isn't overridden
> > by mine.
> > Also this code may contain some bugs...I'll try to fix these ASAP.
> > Also
> > status changes aren't changed directly...sometimes (scroll and the
> > status
> > changes) I'll try to fix this too. But now you can start working on
> > the
> > contactlistview! Hope you commit the sorting fix soon!
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >
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RE: [bme-develop] Little changes in the ContactListView

[D. G. <A00...@it...>]

Hello,

  I fixed the bug you mention, also added the online sorting in the 
ContactListView and last I modified Common::getMsnBuddy to return a 
Contact rather than a ContactItem and made the necessary modifications. 
I've commited these changes.

Regards,
Daniel 

> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I committed the emoticongrid code yesterday...it also includes some 
> changes 
> in the contactlistview! So make sure your new code isn't overridden 
> by mine. 
> Also this code may contain some bugs...I'll try to fix these ASAP. 
> Also 
> status changes aren't changed directly...sometimes (scroll and the 
> status 
> changes) I'll try to fix this too. But now you can start working on 
> the 
> contactlistview! Hope you commit the sorting fix soon!
> 
> regards,
> 
> Tim
> 
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[bme-develop] Re: bme-develop digest, Vol 1 #88 - 1 msg

[<re...@be...>]

> Today's Topics:
   1. Webpage (Sir Mik)
>
> Hey guys,
>
> just discussed this with Rémi(from BeosFrance)...I think we desperately
need
> a new homepage for Bme...I want to start with this: ask a friend to do the
> html and work together with Rémi to program the php as he has offered to
> help us with that. But now: what do we need on our homepage? a news
section
> of course....but what else?
>
> regards,
>
> Tim
>
> P.s. Rémi subscribed to this list so we can discuss it with him here!
>


Hi everybody :)

[bme-develop] Webpage

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey guys,

just discussed this with Rémi(from BeosFrance)...I think we desperately need 
a new homepage for Bme...I want to start with this: ask a friend to do the 
html and work together with Rémi to program the php as he has offered to 
help us with that. But now: what do we need on our homepage? a news section 
of course....but what else?

regards,

Tim

P.s. Rémi subscribed to this list so we can discuss it with him here!

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RE: [bme-develop] Little changes in the ContactListView

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hi Daniel,

I committed the emoticongrid code yesterday...it also includes some changes 
in the contactlistview! So make sure your new code isn't overridden by mine. 
Also this code may contain some bugs...I'll try to fix these ASAP. Also 
status changes aren't changed directly...sometimes (scroll and the status 
changes) I'll try to fix this too. But now you can start working on the 
contactlistview! Hope you commit the sorting fix soon!

regards,

Tim

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Re: [bme-develop] Working emoticon grid!

[D. G. <hec...@so...>]

Very exciting  news, hope to see it soon.

Here is a preview of some of my work. This almost working, I have to do 
some more testing before commiting the code.

Regards,
Daniel

> Hey Guys,
> 
> Emoticon grid works now! although I have to tweak it a bit to look 
> better, 
> it shows emoticons, and you can click and insert them into the 
> SendTextView,
> 
> regards,
> 
> Tim
> 
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[bme-develop] Working emoticon grid!

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey Guys,

Emoticon grid works now! although I have to tweak it a bit to look better, 
it shows emoticons, and you can click and insert them into the SendTextView,

regards,

Tim

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RE: [bme-develop] Little changes in the ContactListView

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey Daniel!!!

>Nice work on the new GUI and contact classes, Bme it's looking good!
>
Thanks! :D

>Just to let you know of some little changes I am doing in the
>ContactListView to sort online contacts above of offline within the
>groups, and also a little bug in line 134 that cause copies of the same
>contact to appear inside the same group.
>
Nice work! I tried to sort the online contacts above the offline but didn't 
succeed...also I changed some things in the contact list(status 
changing)...but doesn't seem to work allright now...also my bme now 
sometimes crashes when closing, therefore I didn't upload my changes to cvs 
yet! line 134 does what?(I don't think my line 134 is still the same)

>Is anyone working on making available the groups view optional, so the
>user can choose between groups vs online/offline list? If not I could
>start working on this, else I will continue with the user display
>picture code...
>
No, not yet.... I talked to Simon about this, maybe a third option is to 
display groups, but group offline contacts together, what do you think? 
anyway you can continue on this....I'm also working on an 
emoticongridwindow/view and am trying to cache the user and 
contactlist....but nothing works so far :(

regards,

Tim

P.s. any news on the user picture code?

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[bme-develop] Little changes in the ContactListView

[D. G. <A00...@it...>]

Hi,

Nice work on the new GUI and contact classes, Bme it's looking good!

Just to let you know of some little changes I am doing in the 
ContactListView to sort online contacts above of offline within the 
groups, and also a little bug in line 134 that cause copies of the same 
contact to appear inside the same group. 

Is anyone working on making available the groups view optional, so the 
user can choose between groups vs online/offline list? If not I could 
start working on this, else I will continue with the user display 
picture code...


Regards,
Daniel

RE: [bme-develop] Checking in files

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey Jixt,

could be that it collides with some of the changes I made...I added a colour 
menu...what does it say error merging? You should do the following to commit 
any code:

go to terminal
export CVS_RSH=ssh;
cvs update <enter your password>
cvs commit -m "Insert update message here" <enter your password>

if this doesn't work...and you'll get merge errors, first download the new 
code...apply your changes manually and upload them once again,

anyway thanks for your work,

regards,

Tim


>From: jan...@pa...
>Reply-To: bme...@li...
>To: bme...@li...
>Subject: [bme-develop] Checking in files
>Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:39:17 +0100
>
>Hi!
>
>I've done some bugfixes in the fontmenu of the conversation menu. I did a
>cvs commit, but it gives an error that I have no permission to write. Do I
>have the permission? What commandos should I use to do it right?
>
>greets
>	Jixt
>
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[bme-develop] Checking in files

[<jan...@pa...>]

Hi!

I've done some bugfixes in the fontmenu of the conversation menu. I did a 
cvs commit, but it gives an error that I have no permission to write. Do I 
have the permission? What commandos should I use to do it right?

greets
	Jixt

Re: [bme-develop] new status icons by =?windows-1252?q?R=E9mi?= Grumeau

[Simon T. <sj...@ca...>]

> Hey!

Hi,
 
> >A few comments:
> >1) It seems odd to have the icons have 2 "people" in them, when they
> >only represent the status of a single conact. Maybe we could have 
> > just
> >one person in each icon.
> I think R=E9mi used the people program  icon, and the msn icons as 
> guideline...

Yes - but note the MSN icons for status only actually have 1 "person" 
in them - ones representing the program are fine having more than 1.
 
> >2) The gradients seem a bit over-done in small icons (obviously they
> >are designed much larger, then shrunk) - black dominates a bit too
> >much, especially in the offline icons IMHO. I think the gradients 
> > look
> >cool, but they might look better "toned down" a bit for icons as 
> > small
> >as 19x19.
> I agree on the part of the offline icons....

I think it also applies to the others, but not so much.

> >Other things:
> >1) Any chance of some 16x16 ones for the deskbar replicant :P
> >2) How about using PNG instead of GIF=3F Better quality and not so 
> > tied
> >up with patents.
> >
> R=E9mi already told me that was possible...the icons are made using 
> vector 
> graphics...that makes me think...I know you(Simon) don't like it, but 
> maybe 
> we should use SVG icons instead...size doesn't matter for them...we 
> can 
> resize them where needed and don't have to store png files of 
> different 
> sizes....

If BeOS had proper (native) support for SVG, that would be quite cool - 
especially in conversation windows, emoticons could fit text size much 
better.

However the problem I have with SVG is that the same graphic doesn't 
always look good at all sizes (look at the on-the-phone icon - when 
big, it is nice to have buttons on the phone, but when drawn small it 
would be much clearer just as an empty rectangle). Those kind of 
changes can only really be tweaked by having specific images for 
different sizes. Same with the gradients - a gradient from red to black 
over maybe 50 pixels looks cool, but shrink the (same vector graphic) 
down to just 19px, and the whole gradient has to happen in about 5 
pixels and ends up looking a little harsh.

SVG also has overhead of rendering all the time.

We can get away with 1-size emoticons (19x19, as msn does) and 2 sizes 
for status icons (19x19 for contact list and 16x16 for deskbar)...altho 
I'd like some larger status icons too.

Remi's reply to my previous email attached below...

Simon

----Remi's mail-------

> Hi Remi,
>
> Tim sent a mail to our mailing list about your new status 
> icons...great
> work, thanks!
>
> A few comments below.
>

>
> > Hey guys,
>
> Hey,
>
> > just added to CVS some emoticons and a whole bunch of new status
> > icons made
> > by R=E9mi Grumeau of BeosFrance. Personally, I think they look great, 
> > and they
> > give Bme a more professional look!

hi hi ... mum is gonna be proud of me ;)


>
> Yes, I agree...look much nicer than my awful attempts.
>
> A few comments:
> 1) It seems odd to have the icons have 2 "people" in them, when they
> only represent the status of a single conact. Maybe we could have 
> just
> one person in each icon.

right !!!! never thought about it butit's true that it'sstupid in fact 
...

> 2) The gradients seem a bit over-done in small icons (obviously they
> are designed much larger, then shrunk)

he is right ... cause they are made in vectorial / svg

 - black dominates a bit too
> much, especially in the offline icons IMHO. I think the gradients 
> look
> cool, but they might look better "toned down" a bit for icons as 
> small
> as 19x19.

probably not but i could try btw ...

> 3) The "On the phone" icon looks like it had a lot of detail on the
> phone (buttons and stuff I guess), but when shrunk to 19x19 the whole
> phone is just a muddy brown and doesn't contrast all that well with 
> the
> green of the person. If this could be brighter, I think it would help
> people to identify it.

Again, vectorial shrunk in 19x19

> 4) If you can think of a good icon for "Out to lunch" (knife and fork
> or something=3F) it might be nice to have a seperate icon for that.

ok ... will do it ! :)

>
> Other things:
> 1) Any chance of some 16x16 ones for the deskbar replicant =3F:P

vectorial ... so no problem !

> 2) ...And some bigger ones for the top view to represent the current
> user's status =3F

vectorial ... so no problem !

> 3) How about using PNG instead of GIF =3F Better quality and not so 
> tied
> up with patents.

The transparency of PNG is badly supported in BeOS. I have send those 
in PNG but
i think the BME team have translated them in GIF due of that.

>
> > Note that the block icon and signed out
> > icon aren't available yet....(as they are not available for
> > customization in
> > the icon prefs file). I think R=E9mi did a great job and can't wait 
> > to
> > see more of his icons for Bme...hope we get emoticons everywhere 
> > soon!

No emoticones in the BeOS boot screen plz ;)
Thank you guys ... feel free to ask if you need something else !!!

>
> Yup, me too.
>
> Thanks again Remi, great work!
  My pleasure ! Happy to help in a project for graphical things, cause 
i don't
know anything about coding ....
>
>
> Simon

[bme-develop] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[bme-develop]_new_status_icons_by_R=E9mi_Grumeau?=

[Cian D. <my...@gm...>]

About GIF's - BeOS, by default, cannot handle GIF images. Not everyone
has the translator installed. Haiku has it by default though.

> >1) Any chance of some 16x16 ones for the deskbar replicant :P
> >2) How about using PNG instead of GIF? Better quality and not so tied
> >up with patents.

Cian

Re: [bme-develop] new status icons by Rémi Grumeau

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey!

>A few comments:
>1) It seems odd to have the icons have 2 "people" in them, when they
>only represent the status of a single conact. Maybe we could have just
>one person in each icon.
I think Rémi used the people program  icon, and the msn icons as 
guideline...

>2) The gradients seem a bit over-done in small icons (obviously they
>are designed much larger, then shrunk) - black dominates a bit too
>much, especially in the offline icons IMHO. I think the gradients look
>cool, but they might look better "toned down" a bit for icons as small
>as 19x19.
I agree on the part of the offline icons....

>Other things:
>1) Any chance of some 16x16 ones for the deskbar replicant :P
>2) How about using PNG instead of GIF? Better quality and not so tied
>up with patents.
>
Rémi already told me that was possible...the icons are made using vector 
graphics...that makes me think...I know you(Simon) don't like it, but maybe 
we should use SVG icons instead...size doesn't matter for them...we can 
resize them where needed and don't have to store png files of different 
sizes....

regards,

Tim

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Re: [bme-develop] new status icons by =?windows-1252?q?R=E9mi?= Grumeau

[Simon T. <sj...@ca...>]

Grrr.. email didn't send, I'll try typing it all over again...

> Hey guys,

Hey,
 
> just added to CVS some emoticons and a whole bunch of new status 
> icons made 
> by R=E9mi Grumeau of BeosFrance. Personally, I think they look great, 
> and they 
> give Bme a more professional look!

Yes, I agree...look much nicer than my awful attempts.

A few comments:
1) It seems odd to have the icons have 2 "people" in them, when they 
only represent the status of a single conact. Maybe we could have just 
one person in each icon.
2) The gradients seem a bit over-done in small icons (obviously they 
are designed much larger, then shrunk) - black dominates a bit too 
much, especially in the offline icons IMHO. I think the gradients look 
cool, but they might look better "toned down" a bit for icons as small 
as 19x19.
3) The "On the phone" icon looks like it had a lot of detail on the 
phone (buttons and stuff I guess), but when shrunk to 19x19 the whole 
phone is just a muddy brown and doesn't contrast all that well with the 
green of the person. If this could be brighter, I think it would help 
people to identify it.

Other things:
1) Any chance of some 16x16 ones for the deskbar replicant :P
2) How about using PNG instead of GIF=3F Better quality and not so tied 
up with patents.

> Note that the block icon and signed out 
> icon aren't available yet....(as they are not available for 
> customization in 
> the icon prefs file). I think R=E9mi did a great job and can't wait to 
> see 
> more of his icons for Bme...hope we get emoticons everywhere soon!

Yup, me too.

Great work Remi!


Simon

[bme-develop] new status icons by Rémi Grumeau

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey guys,

just added to CVS some emoticons and a whole bunch of new status icons made 
by Rémi Grumeau of BeosFrance. Personally, I think they look great, and they 
give Bme a more professional look! Note that the block icon and signed out 
icon aren't available yet....(as they are not available for customization in 
the icon prefs file). I think Rémi did a great job and can't wait to see 
more of his icons for Bme...hope we get emoticons everywhere soon!

regards,

Tim

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RE: [bme-develop] First User Diplay Picture Received !!!

[Sir M. <obe...@ho...>]

Hey Daniel,

great news!!!! This is a giant leap forward for Bme....I've been adding lots 
of small things like viewing a contact profile, mailing a contact(currently 
only using your standard email program) and opening hotmail 
automatically....note that you need FireFox as your default browser for 
this.
>I have good news for you. I have successfully requested and received a
>user display picture (take a look, it's my brother's). This is a great
>step forward, although there is still a lot of work in perfecting this
>process. Right now some parameters of the request are hardcoded, taken
>from an example session, those will need to be calculated. There is
>also the matter merging my changes with the code in the CVS, storing
>this image with the contact information, and also showing in the
>Conversation window... I will be working on all of this issues.
>
I've been talking to Simon about this yesterday....currently the main window 
needs the following to be finished:
-group support(viewing,adding,deleting groups and changing group names)
-screennameview needs updating
-tooltips need some work
-maybe some people file support
-updating the the login view (making it a bit fancier)
after that the main window is finished....

The chat window needs more work!  Simon is implementing the messageItem 
HistoryView (emoticon and link support) and I'll move on to a colour chooser 
and improve the font chooser, after that I'll have a look at the emoticon 
code...anyway let us know of any changes you make to the chatwindow!

also I have some problems integrating groups support neatly into the 
program, so any help is appreciated...

regards,

Tim

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Re: [bme-develop] First User Diplay Picture Received !!!

[Simon T. <sim...@ga...>]

Wow! Great work!

Tim has done a lot of work on changing the way contacts are
stored, so 
now I don't think it would be very much work to get a user pic
stored 
too.

As for the coversation windows, hopefully these will be linked
much 
more closely to the contact list data, so the conv windows will
be able 
to extract the picture right out of the contact list data.

I'm working on the conversation window now (hope to have
emoticons 
going in the history view by the end of the week), so I'm happy
to do 
some work on displaying the pics in the conv window. That is,
when we 
decide where to put them so they don't waste too much space...

Big step forward though, well done!

Simon

> Hello guys, 
> 
> I have good news for you. I have successfully requested and received 
> a 
> user display picture (take a look, it's my brother's). This is a 
> great 
> step forward, although there is still a lot of work in perfecting 
> this 
> process. Right now some parameters of the request are hardcoded, 
> taken 
> from an example session, those will need to be calculated. There is 
> also the matter merging my changes with the code in the CVS, storing 
> this image with the contact information, and also showing in the 
> Conversation window... I will be working on all of this issues.
> 
> Regards,
> Héctor
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