Re: [Bluemusic-users] fsig signals and automation editing (just thinking aloud!)
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From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2007-06-13 15:53:38
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Hi Peiman, The jar is meant to be put into an existing blue installation's lib folder, not to be executed on it's own. I had wanted to build an installer jar but the computer I'm using currently isn't quite setup yet to do that, so this will have to do for the moment. Thanks! steven On 6/13/07, peiman <pei...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi Steven, > Thanks very much indeed. That sounds very exciting :-) > I have downloaded the new jar file but when double clicking on it I get this > error: The jar file "blue.jar" couldn't be launched. Check the Console for > possible error messages. > I am not sure how to run the file from terminal to check for possible > errors. > Many Thanks > Peiman > > > Steven Yi wrote: > > > > Hi Peiman, > > > > I've uploaded a blue.jar to: > > > > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue.jar > > > > This has a basic BPF export/import feature. If you switch to single > > line mode, then right-click on a panel and look at the popup to import > > or export. Right now it does not check if values are all within the > > min/max of the parameter, so it is best to be careful in using. > > > > Any feedback on this is very much appreciated! > > > > steven > > > > > > On 6/5/07, peiman <pei...@gm...> wrote: > >> > >> Hello > >> Thanks for your reply. Good to know things are going well :-) > >> Single bft is basically a plain text file with two columns, one for the > >> time-line (left column) and the other for the parameter (just like the > >> table > >> points on the automation track in blue). Here is an example I made in > >> audioscult (there are no headers or extra information in the file and no > >> extensions requires in the file name, as long as it's a plain text-file): > >> > >> 0.0 0.006 > >> 0.01 0.009 > >> 0.02 0.012 > >> 0.03 0.021 > >> 0.04 0.025 > >> 0.05 0.03 > >> 0.06 0.039 > >> 0.07 0.044 > >> 0.08 0.049 > >> 0.09 0.053 > >> 0.1 0.057 > >> 0.11 0.061 > >> 0.12 0.064 > >> 0.13 0.066 > >> 0.14 0.068 > >> 0.15 0.069 > >> 0.16 0.07 > >> 0.17 0.068 > >> 0.18 0.062 > >> 0.19 0.054 > >> 0.2 0.039 > >> 0.21 0.023 > >> 0.22 -0.008 > >> 0.23 -0.032 > >> 0.24 -0.033 > >> 0.25 -0.031 > >> 0.26 -0.025 > >> 0.27 -0.022 > >> 0.28 -0.019 > >> 0.29 -0.014 > >> 0.3 -0.01 > >> 0.31 -0.007 > >> 0.32 -0.003 > >> 0.33 0.0 > >> 0.34 0.005 > >> 0.35 0.01 > >> 0.36 0.015 > >> 0.37 0.021 > >> 0.38 0.031 > >> 0.39 0.036 > >> 0.4 0.041 > >> 0.41 0.047 > >> 0.42 0.051 > >> 0.43 0.046 > >> 0.44 0.023 > >> 0.45 -0.004 > >> 0.46 -0.015 > >> 0.47 -0.025 > >> 0.48 -0.039 > >> 0.49 -0.043 > >> 0.5 -0.041 > >> 0.51 -0.038 > >> 0.52 -0.036 > >> 0.53 -0.031 > >> 0.54 -0.026 > >> 0.55 -0.019 > >> 0.56 -0.013 > >> 0.57 -0.004 > >> 0.58 0.004 > >> 0.59 0.013 > >> 0.6 0.022 > >> 0.61 0.039 > >> 0.62 0.052 > >> 0.63 0.058 > >> 0.64 0.05 > >> 0.65 0.037 > >> 0.66 0.021 > >> 0.67 -0.012 > >> 0.68 -0.03 > >> 0.69 -0.036 > >> 0.7 -0.033 > >> 0.71 -0.031 > >> 0.72 -0.024 > >> 0.73 -0.017 > >> 0.74 -0.011 > >> 0.75 -0.004 > >> 0.76 0.002 > >> 0.77 0.009 > >> 0.78 0.016 > >> 0.79 0.023 > >> 0.8 0.041 > >> 0.81 0.052 > >> 0.82 0.01 > >> 0.83 -0.022 > >> 0.84 -0.023 > >> 0.85 -0.019 > >> 0.86 -0.011 > >> 0.87 -0.006 > >> 0.88 -0.001 > >> 0.89 0.003 > >> 0.9 0.008 > >> 0.91 0.012 > >> 0.92 0.019 > >> 0.93 0.027 > >> 0.94 0.034 > >> 0.95 0.041 > >> 0.96 -0.006 > >> 0.97 0.004 > >> 0.98 0.018 > >> 0.99 0.039 > >> > >> CDP and IRCAM use this format to create dynamic parameter files, because > >> it's so simple and is a readable text file it can also be created in max > >> or > >> openmusic (and I am sure pd and supercollider) or just manually. For > >> instance one can have an envelope or pitch follower in max/msp that > >> writes > >> it's analysis results into a bpf file (it would be so nice to use this as > >> an > >> automation line in blue!). In fact openmusic already has a function to > >> automatically convert bpf to csound GEN 7 table functions (the points can > >> also be scaled, randomized and so on) but this would be far easier and > >> visually more interesting if blue could import breakpoint functions as > >> automation lines because it would also mean that automations and > >> envelopes > >> can be saved as snapshots in blue and imported into different sessions or > >> tracks. > >> > >> Best > >> Peiman > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Steven Yi wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Peiman, > >> > > >> > Things are well though still a bit hectic! Just moved into an > >> > apartment a few days ago and starting a new job tomorrow, but that > >> > actually feels nice compared to the past couple weeks. :P I am > >> > looking forward to getting back to working and with blue! > >> > > >> > As for plugins with fsig input/output, I think it would be tricky to > >> > implement them within the context of the current mixer code and > >> > interface. I imagine doing something like that would really require > >> > some kind of different interface for showing effects as the user would > >> > then have to think about signal types. Perhaps the best thing to do > >> > at this time is to make a single large effect that is very > >> > configurable to have multiple fsig handling opcodes that you can > >> > enable/disable and resynthesize at the end. > >> > > >> > As for BPF, I'm not familiar with that format. If you could send me a > >> > link to more information as well as perhaps an example file I can take > >> > a look to see what can be done. > >> > > >> > As for table points, I'll take a look at add/remove in the editor when > >> > I next have a chance to work on blue code (which may not be until next > >> > week unfortunately). I'll take a look at deselecting objects when > >> > switching to line mode too. > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > steven > >> > > >> > On 6/4/07, peiman <pei...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi Steven, > >> >> > >> >> I hope all is well. I'm really thinking aloud here. Would it be > >> possible > >> >> to > >> >> design plug-ins in blue that take fsig signals as input and output > >> >> rather > >> >> than audio signals? This would make it possible to have only one > >> >> instances > >> >> of pvs analysis and synthesis when chaining several spectral plugins > >> and > >> >> thus make the job far more efficient for real-time experimentation > >> prior > >> >> to > >> >> bouncing to disk. > >> >> > >> >> Having been using the envelope editor and automation lines on a > >> regular > >> >> basis it would be nice to have some more possibilities: > >> >> > >> >> 1- to import and export automation tracks and envelopes as bpf text > >> (this > >> >> way they can also be created/processed and used in other applications > >> >> such > >> >> as openmusic or max). This ability also makes it possible to use the > >> same > >> >> bpf for many different plugins and to save snapshots, etc... > >> >> > >> >> 2- to be able to copy, paste and add breakpoints using just the table > >> >> view > >> >> (I tend to go back and tweak the text for more precision and would be > >> >> nice > >> >> to be able to just enter the text in the first place). > >> >> > >> >> Another issue that I thought I'll mention is that when moving from > >> >> "Score" > >> >> mode to "Single Line" or "multi line" modes, the sound objects on the > >> >> tracks > >> >> remain highlighted (if they were previously selected) and this makes > >> it > >> >> very > >> >> hard to view the automation lines that are superimposed on the same > >> >> track. > >> >> > >> >> Many Thanks > >> >> Peiman > >> >> -- > >> >> View this message in context: > >> >> > >> http://www.nabble.com/fsig-signals-and-automation-editing-%28just-thinking-aloud%21%29-tf3867929.html#a10958341 > >> >> Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > >> >> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > >> >> control of your XML. 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