Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for mentioning it's on closing. I'll take a look and see what's
going on, but can't give any estimates on time until I can reproduce
the error (I'm sure it would be easy to fix once reproducing it).

As for blue and capturing events, in Java it is possible to add a high
level generic event capturer I think, but I think it'd be somewhat of
a hack to do it that way, and there's already enough code in blue that
needs cleaning up that I'd rather not add more. =3Do  I've added it to
my list of todo's and will try to schedule sometime in the next week
or two to take a look at this.

Thanks,
steven


On 7/11/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote:
> It is when closing. I dont know java well enough to advise you, but in
> general windows coding it is fairly trivial to capture mouse and keyboard
> events. I would also look at the inheritance structure of stuff that gets
> windows focus and see if you can plug into a universal method somewhere. =
I
> do a lot of coding in Delphi, which makes this problem trivial, but Java =
may
> not be so straight forward.
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> Michael
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blu...@li...
> [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Steven
> Yi
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:43 PM
> To: blu...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
>=20
>=20
> Hi Michael,
>=20
> I'm sorry but I think I wasn't clear in the previous email, I was
> talking about if two copies of the same file were opened, such that
> there are two entries in the window menu of open projects.
>=20
> For blue, the reason that closing the default empty file is not
> possible is that blue does not know if a file has been changed since
> it was opened or not.  This not exactly easy to implement with a
> simple flag, as the flag part is easy, but going through all of the
> code to make sure that all changes to the data structure are marked
> with a flag change is not easy.  The correct way to do it would be if
> everything was encapsulated as an undoable action and for the
> UndoManager to be checked for if any changes have happened, but not
> all of blue's actions are 1)Encapsulated in an action or are
> 2)Undoable.  That's also the reason why blue asks on exiting if the
> user wants to save the project for every project open, because it does
> not know if a file has changed or not.  (BTW: When you say blue asks
> you to save two times, does this count the first save you do when
> inititating save yourself and then also when closing, or is it when
> closing out the program you get asked twice for every file?)
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> steven
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote:
> > I can confirm that there were two documents open. I could switch to the
> > blank project from the window menu. This is not standard Windows
> behaviour.
> > Most applications will close the default empty file when opening a save=
d
> > file. This is easy to implement with a flag.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blu...@li...
> > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of t grey
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:19 PM
> > To: blu...@li...
> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
> >
> >
> > I think the second save dialog you're seeing is because blue has 2
> > documents open at once.  First is the default project opened with
> > blue, second is the existing file you opened.
> >
> >   -Kevin
> >
> > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote:
> > > One more note. I was saving blue projects in my own directory structu=
re,
> > not
> > > in the blue home folder. When I exit the program it asks me twice if =
I
> > want
> > > to save when I am not saving to the blue home folder. I wonder if thi=
s
> > could
> > > have something to do with the problems I am having.
> > >
> > > also try this: add an instrument to the orchestra. Give it instrument
> > number
> > > 3. Then add another instrument. It will come up with instrument numbe=
r
> 2.
> > > Double click on the second instrument to edit it, and your first
> > instrument
> > > is now 2, and your edited instrument is 3.
> > >
> > > I think you may have a few wild indexes. I hope all your arrays have =
a
> > > [0..n-1] range and not a [1..n] range. The latter are a programer's
> > > nightmare, only made worse if you mix the two.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: blu...@li...
> > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Mich=
ael
> > > Rempel
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:46 AM
> > > To: blu...@li...
> > > Subject: RE: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
> > >
> > >
> > > Oops, happened again. Sorry I sent you the CSD not the blue file.
> > >
> > > Another clue that may have bearing, I did a File/Save and then exited=
 by
> > > saying no to the do you want to save dialog. I will investigate this
> > myself
> > > a bit further.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: blu...@li...
> > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Mich=
ael
> > > Rempel
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:10 AM
> > > To: blu...@li...
> > > Subject: RE: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
> > >
> > >
> > > I think some of the temp files space got corrupted. Between Microsoft=
,
> sun
> > > and my hard drive there is probably a lot of caching going on, and
> > something
> > > got corrupted. I saw an error message in the console window. A wipe o=
f
> > temp
> > > space and a reboot seems to have cleared some of the problem for now.=
 I
> > will
> > > let you know if it kills another one. In the meantime i am versioning=
 my
> > > saves.
> > >
> > > I did notice for instance when I changed instrument numbers in the
> > orchestra
> > > section, that they reverted to other values, not even the old ones. I
> > > changed them again, and it was fine, the changes took. In another pla=
ce
> > > (Generic phrase 2) I was sure I had done a cut and paste. I went back=
 to
> > it,
> > > and nothing was there. I did the cut and paste again, and it stuck. M=
y
> > > pattern is change, save, build CSD. I usually open the csd in csedit =
to
> > see
> > > what happened to my revisions, build from there and listen to the wav
> > file.
> > > I will probably eventually change this to work just in Blue. At the
> moment
> > I
> > > want to use a familiar environment to cross check my work.
> > >
> > > I have enclosed the blue files. The instruments are copies but I dont
> > > remember where from. I seem to recall the piece was called back side =
of
> > the
> > > moon. I am just starting to work on messing it up. :-)
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: blu...@li...
> > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Stev=
en
> > > Yi
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:04 AM
> > > To: blu...@li...
> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > Just to clarify, are you still having the problem or was it something
> > > that is now gone?  I would just like to make sure everything is
> > > working for you, and if not or if so, how to diagnose for future
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > As for the macros, that is very interesting that you shared this.  I
> > > have been debating lately to write a score language myself, but I hav=
e
> > > not yet explored in depth all of the other ones around.  One of the
> > > things I had thought was to do a short hand system like your macros
> > > where notation names are used.  I have explored the lilypond
> > > typesetting program in the past and I was thinking the score language
> > > it uses might be a good candidate to model on.
> > >
> > > Oh, but also, blue is not very Csound macro friendly! =3D(  Mostly I
> > > never got around to it as I rarely use Csound macros.  Using them in
> > > pfields other than p1, p2, or p3 of a score may possibly work, but if
> > > in the first three, may cause errors.  This is because blue parses al=
l
> > > score texts to read in note start and durations so that it can
> > > translate and multiply those for when moving blocks around.  I'm
> > > guessing if there is any space in your macro invocation, blue might
> > > split the macro and then reassemble but with a tab in between, which
> > > could cause a problem (not sure). Just something to be careful about.
> > > If you do run into any problems using macros, please let me know.  I'=
d
> > > be more than happy to take a look and see what can be done in blue's
> > > score parser then.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > steven
> > >
> > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote:
> > > > I think I had problems in the temporary file area.
> > > >
> > > > I was just doing the the usual simple score stuff.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I use a macro I am enclosing. It is easier than remembering
> > numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to use it.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: blu...@li...
> > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of
> Steven
> > > > Yi
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:09 AM
> > > > To: blu...@li...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > The project seems to be a pretty empty project file (the project fi=
les
> > > > are XML btw, and can be viewed with a text editor).  I opened it,
> > > > added a soundObject, saved it, closed the file, and reopened it
> > > > without problems.  I'm on Linux, Java 1.5.0_02, PIII-M Laptop.
> > > >
> > > > Could you explain perhaps what kind of things you were doing in blu=
e?
> > > > One possibility I can think of is if there is an exception being
> > > > thrown in the underlying blue code that isn't being caught somewher=
e,
> > > > it could mess up blue such that blue would seem to be continuing to
> > > > operate correctly but not really.  This is a possibility, and if it
> > > > was to happen, the command line prompt that opens up before blue's =
UI
> > > > opens up should have a flurry of messages pass by with a java stack
> > > > trace.
> > > >
> > > > steven
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: blu...@li...
> > > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of
> > Steven
> > > > > Yi
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:35 AM
> > > > > To: blu...@li...
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the info regarding SHARC.  It's not been around for a
> long
> > > > > while now but zip's or tar's of the SHARC project can be found
> online
> > > > > through google.  I had to use google a few months ago to find it
> > > > > myself; I'll try to update my csounds site with a new link shortl=
y.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the file saving feature, I've never experienced such a thi=
ng
> or
> > > > > have had any reports to me about this happening.  Are there any
> > > > > strange file permissions going on for either file you're trying t=
o
> > > > > save or the directory you are saving to?  I think blue would give=
 an
> > > > > error message though if it couldn't save the file... hmm.  Could =
you
> > > > > maybe send me a copy of the file you were working on when this
> > > > > happened?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > steven
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Steven
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was poking around on your csounds site. The link to SHARC is
> dead
> > > from
> > > > > > here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also I was using version .98 of blue. I am quite impressed, ver=
y
> > well
> > > > > > thought out program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have trouble saving. Things that I change revert to former
> states,
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > just lost an entire project. Now it could be I am not familiar
> with
> > > this
> > > > > > thing yet. But I did a save and exited the program only to
> discover
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > only thing that was saved is the instrument library. All my sco=
re
> > > stuff
> > > > is
> > > > > > missing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can do an edit, and save, then go back to that item and find
> that
> > > some
> > > > > or
> > > > > > all of my edits have reverted to their former state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just downloaded the .99 version which I hope will help solve
> these
> > > > > issues,
> > > > > > but I did not see this discussed in the changes so I thought I
> > better
> > > > send
> > > > > a
> > > > > > note.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA for your help
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Rempel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Intel 4 2.53Ghz 512 Meg ram
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Running Windows 2000 pro with SP 4
> > > > > >
> > > > > > C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1>java -version >ver.txt
> > > > > > java version "1.5.0_02"
> > > > > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
> > 1.5.0_02-b09)
> > > > > > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_02-b09, mixed mode,
> sharing)
> > > > > >
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