Re: [Bluemusic-users] New ideas
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From: t g. <tg...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 01:13:14
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Yeah, I understand the reasoning of rendering first. I'm just not sure if having the timeline follow playback is easy enough for a quick addition. I don't know that the score window has any methods for transport or motion at all, other than with the scrollbar. I'm suggesting as an in-between to just render and playback as necessary, getting the timeline to follow could be done later. -Kevin Welsh On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > Render to disk is to ensure that the sync is good. Lag time from > instatiating Csound to the start of play is not easy to track. Any good > wav/mp3 player component will track the time. Knowing p2=3D start time an= d p3=3D > durration makes it fairly trivial. Steven already knows start and end tim= es > for notes, since they are generated for the csd. >=20 > Michael >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: blu...@li... > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of t grey > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:27 PM > To: blu...@li... > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] New ideas >=20 >=20 > I like the following timeline idea, but I'm sure that would be > considerable work. >=20 > If following on the time line isn't possible, how about an option just > to pre-render a tmp file and play it back? Sometimes projects can't > render real time (lots of pvoc, etc), especially on an older laptop > that's short on ram. It gets a little old alt-tabbing to a console > just to play a wav. ;) >=20 > -Kevin >=20 > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > I agree completely but when I get sounds in the score I cant figure out= I > > refer to the CSD, and try to follow the time line as it plays back. Not= her > > idea, follow the timeline with the screen CSD, and change colors as it > plays > > back. Probably need to render to disk, then play back for time sync. > > > > Comments in the score help a great deal. You could also consider > pre-pending > > sections with the name of the blue soundobject they come from, and what > the > > soundobject's settings are as a comment block. If it is any easier to d= o I > > can also suggest an alternative of having an editor for instruments > similar > > to the one in csedit. Each field has a description, a range, and a curr= ent > > value. All optional of course. That way the usual comment blocks can be > > auto-generated. > > > > If formating the CSD text is not an option, then I suppose then it woul= d > be > > good to turn off line wrap in the editor window and just have it > > horizontallly scroll. I tend to get parameter happy with my designs, > putting > > a LOT of control in the score. Linewrap makes it harder to do. I like > doing > > it even if it is not the best coding practice. > > > > Finally for now, Another suggestion. Generated CSDs when Solo is checke= d > > there should be an option to eliminate silence at the front of the scor= e. > > Make the start 1sec (user configable) to allow ftables to gen and so on= . > > > > I hope you dont have to refactor too much to do some of these things. > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: blu...@li... > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Steven > > Yi > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:01 PM > > To: blu...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] New ideas > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > This would actually be somewhat very tricky to implement I think. > > blue parses and strips out everything into internal notelists so that > > it's noteProcessors can work. It might be possible to do such a thing > > if I add a both a comment object as well as a comment field to the > > Note object so that note lines that have comment text as well as > > simple blocks of comment text can be handled. It's a good idea and > > might not be too bad to implement, but to be honest I don't have too > > much time to look into it at the moment. > > > > Generally, for me at least, I view the blue project itself as the > > primary entity one works with, while the CSD is a means to communicate > > to Csound. A similar view is what a sequencer's project file is to > > the midi information it generates. The MIDI is stripped of > > information compared to all of the metadata in the project file. > > Hence, blue has many places in which commenting is available > > (instruments, comment objects, internally with soundObject scores, > > etc.) while the stripped file is used to communicate to Csound. Also, > > the blue soundObjects as a system are a higher-level view of the music > > than the CSD, thus preserve musical ideas intact for later analysis by > > users, something which is not preserved in standard musical notation > > or most every other musical software. (i.e. "this musical idea in the > > soundObject library is a motive which is manipulated and used > > throughout the piece") > > > > steven > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > > A suggestion of my own. > > > > > > Can you implement an option not to reformat the text of a score, leav= ing > > in > > > the comments and not putting tabs between score elements. I like to u= se > > > headers and comments to give me an idea of where various things are > > > happening. > > > > > > I know your manipulation of p2 makes this awkward. I can live with th= at. > I > > > suppose it is reasonable to expect a tab after p2 or it will look a m= ess > > for > > > sure. > > > > > > Perhaps you already have this somewhere and I just missed it. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar > > happening > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in d= ual > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted = by > > HP, > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar > happening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. 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