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From: Zwicky, W. R ERDC-CERL-IL C. <Wil...@er...> - 2002-11-13 00:51:50
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Oracle has their own developer site, kinda like SourceForge. One project is RASTA, a sort of XML-based wizard generator. It's not in Java, and it's intended for writing Linux installers, but the ideas might be useful to us. http://rasta.otncast.otnxchange.oracle.com/ -Bill // William R. Zwicky // USA-CERL (217) 352-6511 x7405 // Champaign, IL |
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From: Zwicky, W. R ERDC-CERL-IL C. <Wil...@er...> - 2002-11-09 03:05:46
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30% off a book that teaches you what you already know, but you might be interested anyway. The discount is for readers of The Register, so start there: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/31/28007.html -Bill // William R. Zwicky // USA-CERL (217) 352-6511 x7405 // Champaign, IL |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-06-14 14:51:53
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Might make sense for us to look into a "Visual Rapid Application Development (RAD) tool for the Web". Jeff/wayne/mike have you looked into tools such as this for the possibility of increasing the speed of development of Criteria Manager?? http://www.codecharge.com/ http://www.flowbuilder.com/xsp -Van ____________________________________________________________ Van Woods, Research Architect U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Engineer Research and Development Center Construction Engineering Research Laboratory 206-764-3614 http://www.cecer.army.mil http://www.cecer.army.mil/td/tips/people/resumelist.cfm?ID=49&TOP=1 ____________________________________________________________ |
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From: Konstantinos P. <K_P...@lb...> - 2002-06-07 19:43:45
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Thanks for the message Van. I subscribed to the mailing lists and look forward to your response following your trip to CERL. We can certainly use NetMeeting to demo software. I have only used it for phone/video communication and would need instructions to use it for software demonstration. My experience with NetMeeting is that the .ils servers can get pretty crowded sometimes, making it hard to have an effective/efficient communication. I am running Windows XP Professional, which has a feature called Remote Desktop that allows one to view and/or control an XP system through a network connection. There are Remote Desktop clients available for free from Microsoft for Windows 98, ME, NT and 2000. I also have Timbuktu on my computer, which pretty much allows you to do the same. However, Remote Desktop appears to be doing it faster and better (i.e., uses the screen resolution of the client computer and transfers sound as well). Best regards, Kostas Kostas Konstantinos Papamichael, Ph.D., Staff Scientist Building Technologies Department Environmental Energy Technologies Division Ernest Orlando Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road, Mail Stop 90-3111, Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone: (510) 486-6854, Fax: (510) 486-4089, E-mail: K_P...@lb... -----Original Message----- From: Woods, Van NWS [mailto:Van...@nw...] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:57 AM To: K_P...@lb... Cc: Brucker, Beth A. ERDC-CERL-IL; 'Vineeta Pal'; Stephen E. Selkowitz; bld...@li... Subject: RE: Building Composer and BDA Kostas, I wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten about your response! I will be traveling to CERL next week and will be discussing the issues below with our team. One of the objectives of my trip will be to clarify our method of interacting with others who are interested in using Building Composer as a platform for development, considering your response below specifically. Again I want to keep the momentum going on this, so I will work to craft up a response to you following my trip to CERL. A couple of things I wanted to respond to directly now. On the MicroStation licensing issue, I encourage you to take a look at the Bentley Education Network site (http://www.benbentley.com/portfolio/). Bentley offers educational/research licenses for a reduced fee. Secondly, to encourage group communication I would like to encourage your group to feel free to correspond with anybody in our team via the SourceForge mailing lists or forums. I would encourage you to subscribe to the mailing lists in order to be aware of any announcements or technical issues that may come up. Mailing list: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=29600 Forum: https://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=29600 I liked your idea of taking a little time to demonstrate the systems to each other so that we can all more fully understand the capabilities and come up with a better sense of objectives. I would like to propose that we conduct a NetMeeting videoconference meeting where we could do introductions and both give demonstrations of our applications to each other. Would you like to try this? If so, could you propose a date and time when your team might be available. I believe that our team's schedule is pretty flexible. If possible, take into consideration central time zone differences. Thanks, and I look forward to discussing this further! Van Woods -----Original Message----- From: Konstantinos Papamichael [mailto:K_P...@lb...] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:55 PM To: Woods, Van NWS Cc: 'Vineeta Pal'; Stephen E. Selkowitz Subject: Building Composer and BDA Dear Van, We have looked at the Criteria Composer, but did not have a chance to explore the Layout Composer, because it needs Microstation (which we do not have). We also did not have a chance to review the Criteria Manager, because we could not find it on the website. Is it available? Based on the review of the Layout Composer we have the following, very preliminary thoughts: There are several commonalities between the conceptual and philosophical foundations of BDA and Building Composer which provide a great opportunity for collaboration. - Both projects use a high level abstraction of the building project in terms of objects described by parameters/criteria with values, units and sources. - Both projects attempt to address the data and process requirements of the entire life cycle of the building. - Both projects attempt to provide integration of multiple performance criteria and domains. - Both projects maintain libraries of alternatives (for building systems, components, or functions) in addition to specific design project libraries. There are also several opportunities where the two projects could benefit from each other's strengths or fill in each other's gaps in functionality. - BDA could benefit from Building Composer's ability to add custom criteria and from the Building Composer's model for the architectural programming stages. It could also benefit from the more sophisticated graphical interface for building layout and design, based on commercial CAD programs (Microstation, AutoCad), and from its cost-estimating modules. - Building Composer could benefit from BDA's capability of integrated energy, daylighting and electric lighting simulation using DOE2.1E, DElight and ECM tools. Building Composer could also benefit from BDA's idea and mechanism for enabling multi-criteria graphical evaluation of multiple design alternatives. - BDA and Building Composer could also add to each other's libraries of building systems and components and functions. There are some specific challenges and issues for collaboration: - Programming languages and platforms - BDA is in C++, Building Composer is in Java. We either need an interface between the two, or need to decide on a common language / programming environment. - Building model - Building Composer is IFC compliant, BDA model is not. Some of the functionality required by BDA for energy and lighting simulation is not available in IFCs. We could attempt a union of the two, where we could implement a building model that is IFC complaint, and in addition has the BDA model objects for the added functionality for simulation. - Would we have an entirely new application, or would one project serve as a base to which the other project's functionality is an add-on? Or would each project retain its basic form and exchange data with the other through an API or file-transfer? Some possible scenaria: - BDA or a BDA-derived new application can act as a simulation wizard activated from the Building Composer. - Criteria Composer could be added to the Building Browser in BDA through the definition of new parameters/criteria and space functions. We could have different views in the Building Browser with "architectural programming" as one view. SGE can be replaced with the layout composer. We would need to review the Layout Composer and Criteria manager, as well as the software architecture of Building Composer in more detail, to come up with a more comprehensive plan. Maybe this could happen in a meeting where each side can demonstrate software capabilities and features, followed by a brainstorming session on project possibilities. We also need to address funding issues, i.e., identify potential funding sources and consider their interests, needs and priorities. Best regards, Kostas Papamichael Konstantinos Papamichael, Ph.D., Staff Scientist Building Technologies Department Environmental Energy Technologies Division Ernest Orlando Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road, Mail Stop 90-3111, Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone: (510) 486-6854, Fax: (510) 486-4089, E-mail: K_P...@lb... |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-06-07 18:00:32
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Kostas, I wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten about your response! I will be traveling to CERL next week and will be discussing the issues below with our team. One of the objectives of my trip will be to clarify our method of interacting with others who are interested in using Building Composer as a platform for development, considering your response below specifically. Again I want to keep the momentum going on this, so I will work to craft up a response to you following my trip to CERL. A couple of things I wanted to respond to directly now. On the MicroStation licensing issue, I encourage you to take a look at the Bentley Education Network site ( http://www.benbentley.com/portfolio/ <http://www.benbentley.com/portfolio/> ). Bentley offers educational/research licenses for a reduced fee. Secondly, to encourage group communication I would like to encourage your group to feel free to correspond with anybody in our team via the SourceForge mailing lists or forums. I would encourage you to subscribe to the mailing lists in order to be aware of any announcements or technical issues that may come up. Mailing list: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=29600 <https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=29600> Forum: https://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=29600 <https://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=29600> I liked your idea of taking a little time to demonstrate the systems to each other so that we can all more fully understand the capabilities and come up with a better sense of objectives. I would like to propose that we conduct a NetMeeting videoconference meeting where we could do introductions and both give demonstrations of our applications to each other. Would you like to try this? If so, could you propose a date and time when your team might be available. I believe that our team's schedule is pretty flexible. If possible, take into consideration central time zone differences. Thanks, and I look forward to discussing this further! Van Woods -----Original Message----- From: Konstantinos Papamichael [mailto:K_P...@lb...] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:55 PM To: Woods, Van NWS Cc: 'Vineeta Pal'; Stephen E. Selkowitz Subject: Building Composer and BDA Dear Van, We have looked at the Criteria Composer, but did not have a chance to explore the Layout Composer, because it needs Microstation (which we do not have). We also did not have a chance to review the Criteria Manager, because we could not find it on the website. Is it available? Based on the review of the Layout Composer we have the following, very preliminary thoughts: There are several commonalities between the conceptual and philosophical foundations of BDA and Building Composer which provide a great opportunity for collaboration. - Both projects use a high level abstraction of the building project in terms of objects described by parameters/criteria with values, units and sources. - Both projects attempt to address the data and process requirements of the entire life cycle of the building. - Both projects attempt to provide integration of multiple performance criteria and domains. - Both projects maintain libraries of alternatives (for building systems, components, or functions) in addition to specific design project libraries. There are also several opportunities where the two projects could benefit from each other's strengths or fill in each other's gaps in functionality. - BDA could benefit from Building Composer's ability to add custom criteria and from the Building Composer's model for the architectural programming stages. It could also benefit from the more sophisticated graphical interface for building layout and design, based on commercial CAD programs (Microstation, AutoCad), and from its cost-estimating modules. - Building Composer could benefit from BDA's capability of integrated energy, daylighting and electric lighting simulation using DOE2.1E, DElight and ECM tools. Building Composer could also benefit from BDA's idea and mechanism for enabling multi-criteria graphical evaluation of multiple design alternatives. - BDA and Building Composer could also add to each other's libraries of building systems and components and functions. There are some specific challenges and issues for collaboration: - Programming languages and platforms - BDA is in C++, Building Composer is in Java. We either need an interface between the two, or need to decide on a common language / programming environment. - Building model - Building Composer is IFC compliant, BDA model is not. Some of the functionality required by BDA for energy and lighting simulation is not available in IFCs. We could attempt a union of the two, where we could implement a building model that is IFC complaint, and in addition has the BDA model objects for the added functionality for simulation. - Would we have an entirely new application, or would one project serve as a base to which the other project's functionality is an add-on? Or would each project retain its basic form and exchange data with the other through an API or file-transfer? Some possible scenaria: - BDA or a BDA-derived new application can act as a simulation wizard activated from the Building Composer. - Criteria Composer could be added to the Building Browser in BDA through the definition of new parameters/criteria and space functions. We could have different views in the Building Browser with "architectural programming" as one view. SGE can be replaced with the layout composer. We would need to review the Layout Composer and Criteria manager, as well as the software architecture of Building Composer in more detail, to come up with a more comprehensive plan. Maybe this could happen in a meeting where each side can demonstrate software capabilities and features, followed by a brainstorming session on project possibilities. We also need to address funding issues, i.e., identify potential funding sources and consider their interests, needs and priorities. Best regards, Kostas Papamichael Konstantinos Papamichael, Ph.D., Staff Scientist Building Technologies Department Environmental Energy Technologies Division Ernest Orlando Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road, Mail Stop 90-3111, Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone: (510) 486-6854, Fax: (510) 486-4089, E-mail: K_P...@lb... |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-05-31 21:28:21
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Weird, I didn't mean to set it up that way. I made it public, if anybody seriously objects to that I can change it back. -----Original Message----- From: Zwicky, William R ERDC-CERL-IL [mailto:Wil...@er...] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:10 PM To: bldgcomposer-research Subject: [Bldgcomposer-research] RE: [Bldgcomposer-developer] Where to get a CVS client for MS-Win dows It's in our Developer forum, which is only accessible when you're logged in. Looks like you need to log in, then cut'n'paste the link into the same browser, or surf to the Developer forum by hand. https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=687140 <https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=687140&forum_id=93138> &forum_id=93138 -Bill // William R. Zwicky // USA-CERL (217) 352-6511 x7405 // Champaign, IL -----Original Message----- From: Woods, Van NWS Subject: RE: [Bldgcomposer-developer] Where to get a CVS client for MS-Win dows [Can't see the post] |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-05-31 19:21:11
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Sorry to bother you...I changed the listserver configuration so that responses should now default to go back to the listserver, rather than the person who posted. I think this will be better because we are trying to encourage group involvement and information sharing. You are still free to make private responses to individuals if desired, but I predict that the typical response will be to the group. -Van ____________________________________________________________ Van Woods, Research Architect U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Engineer Research and Development Center Construction Engineering Research Laboratory 206-764-3614 http://www.cecer.army.mil http://www.cecer.army.mil/td/tips/people/resumelist.cfm?ID=49&TOP=1 ____________________________________________________________ |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-05-31 16:27:33
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This is all I got....anyway, on a related note I recently ran across TortiseCVS http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ <http://www.tortoisecvs.org/> which has a very interesting interface concept. I haven't tried getting it to work with SourceForge yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ERROR Forum is restricted to members of this group --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Zwicky, William R ERDC-CERL-IL [mailto:Wil...@er...] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:53 PM To: bld...@li... Subject: [Bldgcomposer-developer] Where to get a CVS client for MS-Windows At SourceForge, of course! I just posted a pointer to the forums; if you're interested, read here: https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=687140 <https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=687140&forum_id=93138> &forum_id=93138 -Bill // William R. Zwicky // USA-CERL (217) 352-6511 x7405 // Champaign, IL |
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From: Zwicky, W. R ERDC-CERL-I. <Wil...@er...> - 2002-05-31 03:52:12
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At SourceForge, of course! I just posted a pointer to the forums; if you're interested, read here: https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=687140 <https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=687140&forum_id=93138> &forum_id=93138 -Bill // William R. Zwicky // USA-CERL (217) 352-6511 x7405 // Champaign, IL |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-05-30 16:24:19
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Tim, I forgot to add your name to the list, which may have been the most important name to omit as I think you are the best suited to be the administrator of our Sourceforge project. -----Original Message----- From: Woods, Van NWS [mailto:Van...@nw...] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:22 AM To: bld...@li... Cc: Beth Brucker (E-mail) Subject: [Bldgcomposer-developer] version control comment To answer the post on the usage of CVS vs StarTeam, I don't have an answer. I would like it if Bill, JeffH and I come up with a plan for this (or anybody else that wants to take the ball with this and run!). My thought is that we are comfortable using StarTeam and it has done us well, and that we also need an external face to present our tip revisions and for them to post. I don't like that they would be separate over the long term unfortunately, but maybe we can put an acceptable process in place (Beth this needs to be coordinated with the Change Control Board process you are working on). Questions as to how to evaluate submissions, support variants, post source, post executables, etc. etc. need to be spelled out. CVS brutal??? Definitely is for me right now!! Tens of thousands of open source developers can't be all wrong though :) Question: What is a feature that is present on this project website but doesn't work the way you wish it would or could? The CVS interface seems pretty brutal. Is this supposed to replace StarTeam? -Van ____________________________________________________________ Van Woods, Research Architect U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Engineer Research and Development Center Construction Engineering Research Laboratory 206-764-3614 http://www.cecer.army.mil <http://www.cecer.army.mil> http://www.cecer.army.mil/td/tips/people/resumelist.cfm?ID=49 <http://www.cecer.army.mil/td/tips/people/resumelist.cfm?ID=49&TOP=1> &TOP=1 ____________________________________________________________ |
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From: Woods, V. N. <Van...@nw...> - 2002-05-30 16:21:52
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To answer the post on the usage of CVS vs StarTeam, I don't have an answer. I would like it if Bill, JeffH and I come up with a plan for this (or anybody else that wants to take the ball with this and run!). My thought is that we are comfortable using StarTeam and it has done us well, and that we also need an external face to present our tip revisions and for them to post. I don't like that they would be separate over the long term unfortunately, but maybe we can put an acceptable process in place (Beth this needs to be coordinated with the Change Control Board process you are working on). Questions as to how to evaluate submissions, support variants, post source, post executables, etc. etc. need to be spelled out. CVS brutal??? Definitely is for me right now!! Tens of thousands of open source developers can't be all wrong though :) Question: What is a feature that is present on this project website but doesn't work the way you wish it would or could? The CVS interface seems pretty brutal. Is this supposed to replace StarTeam? -Van ____________________________________________________________ Van Woods, Research Architect U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Engineer Research and Development Center Construction Engineering Research Laboratory 206-764-3614 http://www.cecer.army.mil http://www.cecer.army.mil/td/tips/people/resumelist.cfm?ID=49&TOP=1 ____________________________________________________________ |