Re: [BitPim-user] java apps

[Josh P. <psy...@gm...>]

I Agree with Josh here=20
hes right...=20
there are Legal uses to this ...=20
ie building and testing your own apps and games....=20
btw my names josh too!

BITPIM ROCKS

On 5/17/05, Josh Farber <udg...@ya...> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I love Bitpim. I think it's really
> great that you take the time to work on it, and I'm
> impressed. Thank you for writing it in the first
> place.
>=20
> I'll try to draw an end to this thread as it is pretty
> off-topic, as well as about a month old.
>=20
> As I said, there are non-piracy uses of an uploader
> interface, for instance free-license J2ME programs.
> To be honest, I'm shocked that anyone would
> voluntarily use the BREW framework at all (well, it's
> not voluntarily, I know, it's foisted upon a user by
> the cell phone company).  That's why I made sure my
> phone supported J2ME when I got it, since the
> framework was more open. So please don't think I'm
> attempting to pirate something, because I'm not.
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> >
> > Just because it appears to work doesn't mean
> > anything.  As
> > you are no doubt discovering, the phones keep track
> > of the
> > same information in many different places and while
> > things
> > may initially appear to work, the phone can be
> > rendered
> > inoperable if it isn't eventually updated.
> >
>=20
> It's a risk I seem to have to take, since the phone
> isn't supported. In the case of my phone, I have to do
> everything manually in the filesystem (besides the
> phonebook and calendar).
>=20
> > > Is
> > > there a way I can provide research to you without
> > > damaging/erasing my phone?
> >
> > While we try not to damage phones while adding
> > support,
> > you never know what will happen.  Some are
> > incredibly fragile
> > like those from Audiovox which lockup and then fail
> > to
> > boot.  Others may hang but removing the battery
> > fixes
> > it.  And others take anything you throw at them.
>=20
> So how do I go about obtaining the information from my
> phone? What kind of things work for you? I'm afraid I
> don't have an oscilloscope to go poking the output
> ports with. Is there a piece of software which I can
> use to send raw codes (sort of a challenge-response
> brute force method) and see how the phone responds?
>=20
> I suppose I could do things and tell you how the phone
> responds, if you tell me the kinds of things you need
> to know.
>=20
> >
> > > Noone stopping me, but I've never been able to
> > > successfully work with other people's code,
> >
> > Well there are plenty of people who do work with the
> > BitPim code from CVS on all platforms just fine.
> >
> It was more like the issue of getting up to speed,
> finding the code I wish to edit, and then getting it
> submitted (I'm terrible with CVS)
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> > > Ok, this makes sense up to a point, then it
> > becomes
> > > counterproductive and makes a project less
> > attractive
> > > to casual users.
> >
> > I don't exactly see how it is counterproductive to
> > not
> > add extra user interface whose *only* purpose is to
> > make subverting the carriers control over
> > applications
> > easier for the purpose of pirating them.
> >
> I would argue that an extra user interface doesn't
> serve only a purpose of piracy. I'll use my case: I
> wanted to put some games on my phone (it uses J2ME),
> so I found some games that were posted with free
> licences. I had a bit of trouble getting them to
> appear, due to those pesky little resource files that
> seem to be required for everything.
>=20
> Hence I thought maybe an interface to make that a
> little more foolproof (for instance, by complaining
> before I spend the time uploading the program.) Maybe
> there's something already out there that validates
> programs and I just don't know where to look. I
> certainly haven't had much luck figuring out what
> exactly the requirements are for a valid Java program
> on my phone.
>=20
> >
> > If you don't agree with what the BitPim developers
> > put out
> > then make your own program with your own goals and
> > judgements.
> > You can even start with the BitPim source.
> >
>=20
> I don't disagree with everything, just the assessment
> that software piracy is the only use of a nice
> interface.  It's sort of the same logic the movie
> industry likes to use: "VCRs cause Copying."  The US
> Supreme court had a somewhat different opinion, and it
> seems fair enough to apply the same sort of logic
> here, just for the virtue that it's reasonable, all
> legal considerations aside.
>=20
> >
> > > (Situation: Someone is attacked with a
> > screwdriver. Do
> > > we go after the attacker, or ban screwdrivers?)
> >
> > Whatever is appropriate.  However I would not go out
> > and
> > ship a screwdriver sharpening kit or include poison
> > tips
> > to make them more effective when attacking with
> > them.
> >
>=20
> Perhaps a screwdriver wasn't the best example.
> Perhaps a knife would be better. They can be used to
> cut things up, including people. Does that mean that
> knives are bad?
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