From: Christiaan H. <chr...@we...> - 2006-06-26 16:40:34
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(moved from users list) I've also no idea about appcasts. It needs a blog somewhere, AFAIK sf =20= does not support this. So do we need to have a blog for bibdesk =20 somewhere to make this work? And also, does this work with the =20 redirection to mirrors that sf uses? Christiaan On 26 Jun 2006, at 6:55 PM, Julio Rojas wrote: > I would love to see it. My wife is the main user, and thou she's a =20 > great user, she still has some fears about installing stuff on her =20 > mac. This, for sure, would take away some of my support work. :D > > On 6/26/06, Adam R. Maxwell <ama...@ma...> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 06:38, Daniel K=E4smayr wrote: > >> Hello folks, >> >> would this be of interest for BibDesk? >> >> http://www.andymatuschak.org/pages/sparkle > > Yes, someone has already filed a feature request asking for this. =20 > I haven't had time to look into it in detail, other than to see =20 > that we'll have to do some different setup on the web server, aside =20= > from importing the framework. I'm not cool enough to know what an =20 > appcast is, so maybe the server setup is easy. > > There's a fork of Sparkle here <http://ironcoder.org/blog/=20 > 2006/06/14/sparkle-plus > that allows statistics collection. I'd =20 > like to use this to see if we can justify dropping Panther support =20 > in future updates. > > Anyone else want to see this? Anyone think it's a bad idea (if so, =20= > why)? > > thanks, > Adam > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, =20 > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your =20 > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache =20 > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?=20 > cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D121642 > > _______________________________________________ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bib...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users > > > > > > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------- > Julio Rojas > jcr...@gm... > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, =20 > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your =20 > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache =20 > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?=20 > cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D121642________________________= ______=20 > _________________ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bib...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users |
From: Adam M. <ama...@ma...> - 2006-06-26 18:03:25
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On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 09:40AM, Christiaan Hofman <chr...@we...> wrote: >(moved from users list) >I've also no idea about appcasts. It needs a blog somewhere, AFAIK sf does not support this. So do we >need to have a blog for bibdesk somewhere to make this work? And also, does this work with the >redirection to mirrors that sf uses? Can we just serve it from the website, as we do for the update plist now? Mike should have a clue on this, so I'm copying him to see if he's still alive :). Adam |
From: Christiaan H. <chr...@we...> - 2006-06-26 19:46:24
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On 26 Jun 2006, at 9:03 PM, Adam Maxwell wrote: > > On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 09:40AM, Christiaan Hofman > <chr...@we...> wrote: > > >> (moved from users list) > >> I've also no idea about appcasts. It needs a blog somewhere, AFAIK >> sf does not support this. So do we >need to have a blog for >> bibdesk somewhere to make this work? And also, does this work with >> the >redirection to mirrors that sf uses? > > Can we just serve it from the website, as we do for the update > plist now? Mike should have a clue on this, so I'm copying him to > see if he's still alive :). > > Adam There is in fact support for RSS feeds. I guess this is the News thingy that hasn't ben used since v0.8 or so. See http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=12834&group_id=1 http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=15483&group_id=1 It need an extra step in the release to do i, it seems that it needs to be done by hand after logging in to the sf admin site, annoying. Appcasting itself seems pretty straightforward: http://connectedflow.com/appcasting Christiaan |
From: Michael M. <mic...@ma...> - 2006-06-29 04:10:09
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I don't think it'd be simple to support this, as is, with sourceforge's mirror setup. Unless there's a way to link around it, or Sparkle includes something that'd recognize when it's being sent HTML from sourceforge and present that to the user first to pick a mirror... If we can get around the mirror redirection, we could support appcasting and hence sparkle by just creating an RSS file and updating it as part of the release process. If even some of that is being done by a script, it'd be much easier. Here's an example template RSS file we could start with: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <rss version="2.0"> <channel> <title>BibDesk Releases</title> <link>http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/</link> <language>en-us</language> <managingEditor>Adam Maxwell (Release Manager) ama...@ma...</ managingEditor> <webMaster>Adam Maxwell (Release Manager) ama...@ma...</webMaster> <ttl>1440</ttl> <description>BibDesk Releases</description> <item> <title>BibDesk 2.0 finally sees light of day</title> <link>http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/</link> <category>Release</category> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2020 12:00:00 PST</pubDate> <enclosure url="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bibdesk/ BibDesk-1.2.7.dmg?download" length="6 186 598" type="application/x-dmg" /> <description> Mike graduates and releases BibDesk 2.0 on the same day this year in 2020. His nine year old son accepts the diploma for Mike on account of his crippling carpal tunnel syndrome and developed allergy to light. </description> </item> <!-- ADD NEW ITEMS HERE --> </channel> </rss> Then you could just add a step to the release script (does one exist? I couldn't get to viewcvs/svn just now) which would do a s/<!-- ADD NEW ITEMS HERE --> /<... text of new item and release notes><!-- ADD NEW ITEMS HERE -->/ and be done with it... However, I'm not sure there's a way to get around the redirection short of using another server (not horrible, just a bookkeeping exercise similar to the nightly builds), or enhancing sparkle (?). Cheers, -mike PS, I'm still alive! :) On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Adam Maxwell wrote: > > On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 09:40AM, Christiaan Hofman > <chr...@we...> wrote: > > >> (moved from users list) > >> I've also no idea about appcasts. It needs a blog somewhere, AFAIK >> sf does not support this. So do we >need to have a blog for >> bibdesk somewhere to make this work? And also, does this work with >> the >redirection to mirrors that sf uses? > > Can we just serve it from the website, as we do for the update > plist now? Mike should have a clue on this, so I'm copying him to > see if he's still alive :). -- Michael McCracken mic...@ma... http://michael-mccracken.net/ |
From: Adam R. M. <ama...@ma...> - 2006-06-29 05:12:43
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 21:10, Michael McCracken wrote: > I don't think it'd be simple to support this, as is, with > sourceforge's mirror setup. Unless there's a way to link around it, > or Sparkle includes something that'd recognize when it's being sent > HTML from sourceforge and present that to the user first to pick a > mirror... D'oh...I forgot about the download mirror selection page; I was thinking of Sparkle mainly as a replacement for update warnings. Maybe it would work by linking directly to osdn.dl.sourceforge.net, but that's not very nice (since our download numbers are increasing). > If we can get around the mirror redirection, we could support > appcasting and hence sparkle by just creating an RSS file and > updating it as part of the release process. If even some of that is > being done by a script, it'd be much easier. > > Here's an example template RSS file we could start with: Cool. That part could just be served off of the website, right? [...] > > <description> > Mike graduates and releases BibDesk 2.0 on the same day this year > in 2020. > His nine year old son accepts the diploma for Mike on > account of his crippling carpal tunnel syndrome and developed allergy > to light. > </description> Now I feel guilty for ccing you :). This sounds like phdcomics material. > > Then you could just add a step to the release script (does one exist? > I couldn't get to viewcvs/svn just now) which would do a s/<!-- ADD > NEW ITEMS HERE --> /<... text of new item and release notes><!-- ADD > NEW ITEMS HERE -->/ and be done with it... That wouldn't be so bad. I currently use TextWrangler to edit the home page and version plist on the website over sftp; I suppose some of that could be scripted over ssh, but making a shell script to rebuild the online help from svn every night on the webserver was about the limit for me. > However, I'm not sure there's a way to get around the redirection > short of using another server (not horrible, just a bookkeeping > exercise similar to the nightly builds), or enhancing sparkle (?). It's best if we use sf.net for hosting, IIRC, since that's how downloads get counted (and they get advertising, I think). I didn't notice any other sf.net projects listed on the sparkle propaganda page, and maybe there's a reason for that. thanks, Adam (glad to see you're still alive) |
From: Michael M. <mic...@ma...> - 2006-06-29 07:33:03
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2006, at 21:10, Michael McCracken wrote: > >> I don't think it'd be simple to support this, as is, with >> sourceforge's mirror setup. Unless there's a way to link around it, >> or Sparkle includes something that'd recognize when it's being sent >> HTML from sourceforge and present that to the user first to pick a >> mirror... > > D'oh...I forgot about the download mirror selection page; I was > thinking of Sparkle mainly as a replacement for update warnings. > Maybe it would work by linking directly to osdn.dl.sourceforge.net, > but that's not very nice (since our download numbers are increasing). Yeah, it'd be nice if there was a way to link to a random download site with a url that didn't use HTTP redirect. Maybe we ought to put in a RFE for that with sf.net - they seem to actually be making changes now? >> If we can get around the mirror redirection, we could support >> appcasting and hence sparkle by just creating an RSS file and >> updating it as part of the release process. If even some of that is >> being done by a script, it'd be much easier. >> >> Here's an example template RSS file we could start with: > > Cool. That part could just be served off of the website, right? Yep. RSS is just fetched by HTTP, so no special server stuff is necessary. > [...] >> >> <description> >> Mike graduates and releases BibDesk 2.0 on the same day this year >> in 2020. >> His nine year old son accepts the diploma for Mike on >> account of his crippling carpal tunnel syndrome and developed allergy >> to light. >> </description> > > Now I feel guilty for ccing you :). This sounds like phdcomics > material. Ah, don't feel guilty - I just had a paper rejected from a second big conference today, so I feel like I'll never get to graduate. It's not really that bad. I'm actually pretty tan, and my new car has a sunroof. :) Funny, though, the PhDComics guy gave a talk at UCSD a couple months ago, and it really is truly shocking how everyone really has the same trials in grad school - seriously, everyone laughed and groaned at exactly the same time, exactly the same volume. Eerie. >> Then you could just add a step to the release script (does one exist? >> I couldn't get to viewcvs/svn just now) which would do a s/<!-- ADD >> NEW ITEMS HERE --> /<... text of new item and release notes><!-- ADD >> NEW ITEMS HERE -->/ and be done with it... > > That wouldn't be so bad. I currently use TextWrangler to edit the > home page and version plist on the website over sftp; I suppose some > of that could be scripted over ssh, but making a shell script to > rebuild the online help from svn every night on the webserver was > about the limit for me. Yeah, it'd be a quick script to write for a scripter. If we can solve the redirect problem (I'm trading emails with the Sparkle guy now), I'll hack something together. >> However, I'm not sure there's a way to get around the redirection >> short of using another server (not horrible, just a bookkeeping >> exercise similar to the nightly builds), or enhancing sparkle (?). > > It's best if we use sf.net for hosting, IIRC, since that's how > downloads get counted (and they get advertising, I think). I didn't > notice any other sf.net projects listed on the sparkle propaganda > page, and maybe there's a reason for that. Yeah, I think it's in the terms of service somewhere that we should host downloads there. -mike -- Michael McCracken mic...@ma... http://michael-mccracken.net/ |