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From: Thom H. <sl...@qu...> - 2005-05-15 11:53:03
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Hi, I'm having problems running SheepShaver on Mac OS 10.4. This is the output I get: "ibook:~ thomholwerda$ /Users/thomholwerda/SheepShaver/ SheepShaver.macosx/SheepShaver.app/Contents/MacOS/SheepShaver; exit SheepShaver V2.2 by Christian Bauer and Mar"c" Hellwig Paranoia checks... FATAL: sc->regs->gpr[2] in signal handler (00000040) doesn't have expected value (affebad5) Maybe you need a different kernel? logout [Process completed]" And these are the contents of my config file: "rom /Users/thomholwerda/SheepShaver/rom disk /Users/thomholwerda/SheepShaver/emptydisk500.hfv extfs /Users/thomholwerda/SheepShaver windowmodes 3 screenmodes 0 bootdrive 0 bootdriver 0 ramsize 67108864 frameskip 6 gfxaccel true nocdrom false nonet true nosound true nogui true ignoresegv false jit false keycodes true keycodefile /Users/thomholwerda/SheepShaver/keycodes.sdl" My best guess is that this is simply a problem with the new Tiger kernel, and that its currently being worked on. I hope? :). Thom Holwerda --- Main news posting guy at http://www.expert-zone.com, bringing you the OS/Computer news that really matters --- Read my blog: http://thom-holwerda.blogspot.com |
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From: Tomek J. <to...@je...> - 2005-05-15 10:45:11
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Gwenole Beauchesne napisa=C5=82(a): > Hi, > > I have committed the slirp code from QEMU to CVS. This makes it=20 > possible to have full user mode network emulation, i.e. no need for a= =20 > specific kernel module or messing with some configuration. Simply mak= e=20 > sure you have "ether slirp" in your prefs items. It turns out to be=20 > the fastest network solution on my system, though it has some=20 > limitations. > > Tested on: Linux (x86_64, x86, ppc), NetBSD (x86), FreeBSD (x86),=20 > MacOS X. > > Note that on big endian systems, it seems Basilisk II can hang during= =20 > network transfers. I don't really know why. In Linux/ppc, I can notic= e=20 > "packet received, triggering Ethernet interrupt" without a matching=20 > "EtherIRQ" call. Surprising. > > Does it also apply to Sheepshaver? I think it doesn't, but since they=20 both share a lot of code, at least it makes sense to ask. By the way, I found muself the first "real" usage of Sheepshaver.=20 Spiderweb Software (www.spidweb.com) is developing some great games, bu= t=20 usually they are firstly releasing them for Mac. So I employed=20 Sheepshaver for Windows to run Geneforge 3. Works great, with sound and= =20 only with occasional hangs (it looks as if the mouse and the keyboard=20 stopped responding, whereas everything else, that is animations and=20 sound, still worked). Tomek |
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From: Gwenole B. <gb....@fr...> - 2005-05-14 17:49:17
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Hi, I have committed the slirp code from QEMU to CVS. This makes it=20 possible to have full user mode network emulation, i.e. no need for a=20 specific kernel module or messing with some configuration. Simply make=20= sure you have "ether slirp" in your prefs items. It turns out to be the=20= fastest network solution on my system, though it has some limitations. Tested on: Linux (x86_64, x86, ppc), NetBSD (x86), FreeBSD (x86), MacOS=20= X. Note that on big endian systems, it seems Basilisk II can hang during=20 network transfers. I don't really know why. In Linux/ppc, I can notice=20= "packet received, triggering Ethernet interrupt" without a matching=20 "EtherIRQ" call. Surprising. Bye, Gwenol=E9.= |
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From: Christian B. <Chr...@un...> - 2005-04-16 07:04:22
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Hi! On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 12:17:49AM +0200, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: > On the other hand, I wonder if it could be used for Basilisk II in some > way. Probably PDMs were not fully architectured yet and may have > embedded a full 68k ROM instead of parts like in other PowerMac ROMs? This might even work with early PCI PowerMac ROMs. Many places in the 68k portion of their ROMs actually check for the presence of a PowerPC processor before doing anything specific to that architecture. > BTW, have you determined what's that extra 1 MB is useful for in the > 660 and 840 AV ROMs? Could it be just additionnal code for the on-board > DSPs? I'm not sure. The DSP stuff doesn't appear to be that much. But there seem to be more slot declarations/drivers than usual in the 2MB ROMs. Bye, Christian -- / Physics is an algorithm \/ http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bauec002/ |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-15 19:07:07
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OK, but I'm not speak English, sorry. Tomek Jerzykowski <to...@je...> wrote: Steven Knoxville napisaÅ(a): >Disculpen ¿Podrian decirme donde encontrar una Rom > > NON COMPRENDO! Could you please use English in your messages to this mailing list? Even though I understood your answer to my question regarding full screen on Windows (thx), this one is a complete mystery to me. Tomek ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click _______________________________________________ basilisk-devel mailing list bas...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/basilisk-devel --------------------------------- |
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From: Tomek J. <to...@je...> - 2005-04-14 17:37:30
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Steven Knoxville napisa=C5=82(a): >Disculpen =C2=BFPodrian decirme donde encontrar una Rom > =20 > NON COMPRENDO! Could you please use English in your messages to this mailing list? Eve= n=20 though I understood your answer to my question regarding full screen on= =20 Windows (thx), this one is a complete mystery to me. Tomek |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-14 17:21:53
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Disculpen ¿Podrian decirme donde encontrar una Rom Gossamer Para el emulador SheeepShaver? Yo no soy poseedor de una PowerMac, si acaso de un humilde PC y no puedo comprar la rom porque no poseo una Credit Card. Si pudieran ayudarme se los agradeceria. Si se pudiese envienmela por correo electronico. Gracias de antemano ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es |
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From: Eric A. H. <eah...@lo...> - 2005-04-14 05:29:34
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On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Nigel Pearson wrote: > >> Speaking of running SheepShaver on OS X, is there a way to run it >> full-screen? I did some searching, but none of the options I tried >> seemed to do anything.... > > Dunno, but my Basilisk II port has > a fullscreen option in the preferences. > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pear_computers Yep, works great too. :) If only it had sound.... ;) I seem to have discovered a bug in SheepShaver, at least the OS X version. Can't seem to control-click with the mouse, or command-click. The modifier keys work, but only in conjunction with other keys, not the mouse button. Or is there some setting I'm missing? --Eric |
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From: Nigel P. <ni...@in...> - 2005-04-14 01:36:04
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> Speaking of running SheepShaver on OS X, is there a way to run it > full-screen? I did some searching, but none of the options I tried > seemed to do anything.... Dunno, but my Basilisk II port has a fullscreen option in the preferences. http://www.users.bigpond.com/pear_computers -- Nigel Pearson, ni...@in...| "Let's see how Spike is going" Telstra BI&D, Sydney, Australia | ... Office: 8255 4222 Fax: 8255 3153 |"I'd like to keep Spike as my pet." Mobile: 0408 664435 Home: 9792 6998 | Illyria - Angel |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-13 19:20:07
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No, por el momento esto no es posible. Ruben Mendoza Tomek Jerzykowski <to...@je...> wrote: Hello! Is it possible to run SheepShaver for Windows in full screen mode? If so, how? Tomek ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ basilisk-devel mailing list bas...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/basilisk-devel --------------------------------- |
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From: Tomek J. <to...@je...> - 2005-04-12 16:48:04
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Hello! Is it possible to run SheepShaver for Windows in full screen mode? If so, how? Tomek |
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From: Nigel P. <ni...@in...> - 2005-04-10 23:13:09
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... > 8.6 running in a virtual environment which sounds like > a perfect thing for Basilisk or SheepShaver to do. > So far I haven't had any luck getting either of these two > two programs to work under MacOS X. 1) What problems are you encountering? Unable to compile? Won't recognise your ROM? Crashes? 2) Have you tried my OS X Basilisk port? http://www.users.bigpond.com/pear_computers -- Nigel Pearson, ni...@in... | "Now the world has gone to bed, Telstra BI&D, Sydney, Australia | Darkness won't engulf my head, Office: 8255 4222 Fax: 8255 3153 | I can see by infrared, Mobile: 0408 664435 Home: 9792 6998 | How I hate the night." -Marvin |
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From: Eric H. <eh...@lo...> - 2005-04-10 20:56:56
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Speaking of running SheepShaver on OS X, is there a way to run it full-screen? I did some searching, but none of the options I tried seemed to do anything.... --Eric |
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From: Eric H. <eh...@lo...> - 2005-04-09 15:31:40
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On Apr 8, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Paul wrote: > I have a problem and need a solution and was wondering > if anyone here might know a way to solve it. > > I have a program that will only run under MacOS 8-8.6 > and right now we have one computer dedicated to that > one program. I would like to get this program to run > on my Xserver but to do that I would have to have 8.6 > running in a virtual environment which sounds like a > perfect thing for Basilisk or SheepShaver to do. So > far I haven't had any luck getting either of these two > programs to work under MacOS X. Does anyone have a > solution for this? Should it work? > > Thanks, > Paul Ascoli > boi...@ya... Yes, it should work. I'm running 10.3.7, and SheepShaver runs OS 8.6 pretty well. Did you download the binary from here: <http://gwenole.beauchesne.free.fr/sheepshaver/> ? When I start it, one thread always crashes, but it can't be very important because SheepShaver continues to run without apparent difficulty.... --Eric |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-08 20:31:36
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Bueno, yo pienso que se deberia estudiar la posibilidad de formar una alianza entre SheepShaver/Basilisk II, Qemu y PearPC, y asi estudiar el codigo fuente de cada uno de ellos, uniendo lo mejor de 2 Mundos y mitigando los errores. Ruben Mendoza. Gwenole Beauchesne <gb....@fr...> wrote: Le jeudi, 7 avr 2005, à 23:57 Europe/Paris, Gwenole Beauchesne a écrit : > Sorry, that's not possible because 6100 (and 8100) are Nubus based > PowerMac. On the other hand, I wonder if it could be used for Basilisk II in some way. Probably PDMs were not fully architectured yet and may have embedded a full 68k ROM instead of parts like in other PowerMac ROMs? What do you think Christian? BTW, have you determined what's that extra 1 MB is useful for in the 660 and 840 AV ROMs? Could it be just additionnal code for the on-board DSPs? ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click _______________________________________________ basilisk-devel mailing list bas...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/basilisk-devel --------------------------------- |
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From: Paul <boi...@ya...> - 2005-04-08 17:09:33
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I have a problem and need a solution and was wondering if anyone here might know a way to solve it. I have a program that will only run under MacOS 8-8.6 and right now we have one computer dedicated to that one program. I would like to get this program to run on my Xserver but to do that I would have to have 8.6 running in a virtual environment which sounds like a perfect thing for Basilisk or SheepShaver to do. So far I haven't had any luck getting either of these two programs to work under MacOS X. Does anyone have a solution for this? Should it work? Thanks, Paul Ascoli boi...@ya... "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Unknown "There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't." |
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From: Gwenole B. <gb....@fr...> - 2005-04-07 22:17:52
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Le jeudi, 7 avr 2005, =E0 23:57 Europe/Paris, Gwenole Beauchesne a =E9crit= : > Sorry, that's not possible because 6100 (and 8100) are Nubus based=20 > PowerMac. On the other hand, I wonder if it could be used for Basilisk II in some=20= way. Probably PDMs were not fully architectured yet and may have=20 embedded a full 68k ROM instead of parts like in other PowerMac ROMs?=20 What do you think Christian? BTW, have you determined what's that extra 1 MB is useful for in the=20 660 and 840 AV ROMs? Could it be just additionnal code for the on-board=20= DSPs?= |
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From: Gwenole B. <gb....@fr...> - 2005-04-07 21:57:33
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Le jeudi, 7 avr 2005, =E0 23:37 Europe/Paris, Steven Knoxville a =E9crit = : > Otra Pregunta, =BFes posible utilizar la ROM PowerMac 6100 en=20 > SheepShaver Para windows? Sorry, that's not possible because 6100 (and 8100) are Nubus based=20 PowerMac. SheepShaver only supports PowerMac PCI ROMs (8500, 8600,=20 etc.) and early NewWorld ROMs (up to v1.6 included). Bye, Gwenol=E9.= |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-07 21:39:16
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Gracias Por aclararme la situacion. Otra Pregunta, ¿Es Posible utilizar la ROM PowerMac 6100 con sheepshaver para windows? Otra vez, Gracias Gwenole Beauchesne <gb....@fr...> wrote: Le jeudi, 7 avr 2005, à 21:39 Europe/Paris, Steven Knoxville a écrit : > Okay, pero entiendo que para el software PearPC existe un Parche de > nombre HWMMU que se encarga de utilizar la MMU i386 para emular una > MMU PowerPC, mi pregunta es ¿Es Posible modificar este parche para que > trabaje con SheepShaver y asi poder emular MacOS 9.1 y X que requeren > de una mmu para trabajar? QEMU already implemented an HWMMU implementation, nothing new in PearPC. Basically, you use mmap() to map shared pages at specified locations (expected by MacOS). The problem is that on Linux/x86 architectures with a default 3G/1.5G split, you will be limited by up to 3GB address space in user mode (the case here). Full HWMMU support on 32-bit systems requires a patch to host kernels and people may not be willing to do that. This limitation can be workarounded in the emulator but you still get suboptimal performance. All in all, you don't want HWMMU. However, you may want MMU emulation to help understand how MacOS VM works and provide better native replacements. See, SheepShaver is a higher level emulator that virtually can replace any system function with native implementations for improved performance. *All* PowerPC MacOS version require an MMU, there are just ways to do without it. I don't think MMU will ever be implemented into SheepShaver. However, I already experimented MOL with a CPU emulator in the past. My MMU emulation was inacurate so I had started to use QEMU implementation but time terribly dropped and when time came back I moved on to SheepShaver again with some bug fixes and other features. BTW, adding MMU emulation to SheepShaver wouldn't have made it run MacOS X either. It's a totally different architecture. Emulating the MacOS X System is not interesting but enabling MacOS X Applications to run on another system is. That's the key difference in speed and integration. If you look carefully, it's easier to emulate MacOS X than MacOS 9, simply because you have the MacOS X kernel sources: xnu. And, if you look carefully at xnu, you can find ways to virtualize the Mach VM layer, but that's not trivially simple but not that difficult either. At first, you will have the same limitations than HWMMU. But at least, this time, you can also restrict a little the user address space so that another trick can be used so that you don't get performance loss. ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click _______________________________________________ basilisk-devel mailing list bas...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/basilisk-devel --------------------------------- |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-07 21:37:29
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Gracias por explicarme la situacion Otra Pregunta, ¿es posible utilizar la ROM PowerMac 6100 en SheepShaver Para windows? Otra vez, Gracias Gwenole Beauchesne <gb....@fr...> wrote: Le jeudi, 7 avr 2005, à 21:39 Europe/Paris, Steven Knoxville a écrit : > Okay, pero entiendo que para el software PearPC existe un Parche de > nombre HWMMU que se encarga de utilizar la MMU i386 para emular una > MMU PowerPC, mi pregunta es ¿Es Posible modificar este parche para que > trabaje con SheepShaver y asi poder emular MacOS 9.1 y X que requeren > de una mmu para trabajar? QEMU already implemented an HWMMU implementation, nothing new in PearPC. Basically, you use mmap() to map shared pages at specified locations (expected by MacOS). The problem is that on Linux/x86 architectures with a default 3G/1.5G split, you will be limited by up to 3GB address space in user mode (the case here). Full HWMMU support on 32-bit systems requires a patch to host kernels and people may not be willing to do that. This limitation can be workarounded in the emulator but you still get suboptimal performance. All in all, you don't want HWMMU. However, you may want MMU emulation to help understand how MacOS VM works and provide better native replacements. See, SheepShaver is a higher level emulator that virtually can replace any system function with native implementations for improved performance. *All* PowerPC MacOS version require an MMU, there are just ways to do without it. I don't think MMU will ever be implemented into SheepShaver. However, I already experimented MOL with a CPU emulator in the past. My MMU emulation was inacurate so I had started to use QEMU implementation but time terribly dropped and when time came back I moved on to SheepShaver again with some bug fixes and other features. BTW, adding MMU emulation to SheepShaver wouldn't have made it run MacOS X either. It's a totally different architecture. Emulating the MacOS X System is not interesting but enabling MacOS X Applications to run on another system is. That's the key difference in speed and integration. If you look carefully, it's easier to emulate MacOS X than MacOS 9, simply because you have the MacOS X kernel sources: xnu. And, if you look carefully at xnu, you can find ways to virtualize the Mach VM layer, but that's not trivially simple but not that difficult either. At first, you will have the same limitations than HWMMU. But at least, this time, you can also restrict a little the user address space so that another trick can be used so that you don't get performance loss. ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click _______________________________________________ basilisk-devel mailing list bas...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/basilisk-devel --------------------------------- |
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From: Gwenole B. <gb....@fr...> - 2005-04-07 20:36:18
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Le jeudi, 7 avr 2005, =E0 21:39 Europe/Paris, Steven Knoxville a =E9crit = : > Okay, pero entiendo que para el software PearPC existe un Parche de=20 > nombre HWMMU que se encarga de utilizar la MMU i386 para emular una=20 > MMU PowerPC, mi pregunta es =BFEs Posible modificar este parche para = que=20 > trabaje con SheepShaver y asi poder emular MacOS 9.1 y X que requeren=20= > de una mmu para trabajar? QEMU already implemented an HWMMU implementation, nothing new in=20 PearPC. Basically, you use mmap() to map shared pages at specified=20 locations (expected by MacOS). The problem is that on Linux/x86=20 architectures with a default 3G/1.5G split, you will be limited by up=20 to 3GB address space in user mode (the case here). Full HWMMU support=20 on 32-bit systems requires a patch to host kernels and people may not=20 be willing to do that. This limitation can be workarounded in the=20 emulator but you still get suboptimal performance. All in all, you don't want HWMMU. However, you may want MMU emulation=20 to help understand how MacOS VM works and provide better native=20 replacements. See, SheepShaver is a higher level emulator that=20 virtually can replace any system function with native implementations=20 for improved performance. *All* PowerPC MacOS version require an MMU,=20 there are just ways to do without it. I don't think MMU will ever be implemented into SheepShaver. However, I=20= already experimented MOL with a CPU emulator in the past. My MMU=20 emulation was inacurate so I had started to use QEMU implementation but=20= time terribly dropped and when time came back I moved on to SheepShaver=20= again with some bug fixes and other features. BTW, adding MMU emulation to SheepShaver wouldn't have made it run=20 MacOS X either. It's a totally different architecture. Emulating the=20 MacOS X System is not interesting but enabling MacOS X Applications to=20= run on another system is. That's the key difference in speed and=20 integration. If you look carefully, it's easier to emulate MacOS X than MacOS 9,=20 simply because you have the MacOS X kernel sources: xnu. And, if you=20 look carefully at xnu, you can find ways to virtualize the Mach VM=20 layer, but that's not trivially simple but not that difficult either.=20 At first, you will have the same limitations than HWMMU. But at least,=20= this time, you can also restrict a little the user address space so=20 that another trick can be used so that you don't get performance loss.= |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-07 19:39:49
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Okay, pero entiendo que para el software PearPC existe un Parche de nombre HWMMU que se encarga de utilizar la MMU i386 para emular una MMU PowerPC, mi pregunta es ¿Es Posible modificar este parche para que trabaje con SheepShaver y asi poder emular MacOS 9.1 y X que requeren de una mmu para trabajar? Por Cierto, Mi nombre es Rubén Mendoza Gracias Gwenole Beauchesne <gb....@fr...> wrote: Hi, > Yo no hablo español, espero que me respondan esta > duda: Estoy seguro que su messaje esta en espanol. ;-) No Habl'o espanol desde mucho anos y no puedo escribir su langua correctamente con mi PC. Escusame perro voy a respondar en ingles. > ESPERO QUE PUEDA SER CONTESTADA MI DUDA YA QUE CON UNA > MMU EN SHEEPSHAVER SERIA POSIBLE INSTALAR MACOS 9.1 O > 9.2 Lack of MacOS >= 9.1 support is currently not directly due to missing MMU. But currently, correct support for Parcels based ROMs is missing and is a major limitation. Then, it should be possible to patch the NanoKernel VM_ related functions. ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click _______________________________________________ basilisk-devel mailing list bas...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/basilisk-devel --------------------------------- |
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From: Gwenole B. <gb....@fr...> - 2005-04-07 17:55:47
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Hi, > Yo no hablo espa=F1ol, espero que me respondan esta > duda: Estoy seguro que su messaje esta en espanol. ;-) No Habl'o espanol=20 desde mucho anos y no puedo escribir su langua correctamente con mi PC.=20= Escusame perro voy a respondar en ingles. > ESPERO QUE PUEDA SER CONTESTADA MI DUDA YA QUE CON UNA > MMU EN SHEEPSHAVER SERIA POSIBLE INSTALAR MACOS 9.1 O > 9.2 Lack of MacOS >=3D 9.1 support is currently not directly due to missing=20= MMU. But currently, correct support for Parcels based ROMs is missing=20 and is a major limitation. Then, it should be possible to patch the=20 NanoKernel VM_ related functions. |
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From: Steven K. <vz_...@ya...> - 2005-04-07 16:44:35
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Disculpen: Yo no hablo español, espero que me respondan esta duda: Es posible emular la MMU en SheepShaver usando el parche HWMMU de PearPC o modificarlo para Incluirlo en el codigo fuente de SheepShaver? ESPERO QUE PUEDA SER CONTESTADA MI DUDA YA QUE CON UNA MMU EN SHEEPSHAVER SERIA POSIBLE INSTALAR MACOS 9.1 O 9.2 GRACIAS ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es |
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From: Dave G. <dav...@vi...> - 2005-04-06 18:48:31
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Thanks v.much for your help, Nigel. I have been compiling SheepShaver from Terminal command line rather than Xtools (I wouldn=B9t know where to start!). I=B9m not sure how this approach fits in with your suggestions. The 2004 CVS snapshot from Gwenole=B9s site still compiles fine, so something changed in the source code after that point to cause the error. --=20 dave griffin stained glass artist The Old Sawmill Rowsley Derbyshire DE4 2EB W: 07742 481 930 H: 01629 814 770 F: 01629 814 770 E: dav...@uk... W: www.dave-griffin.co.uk |
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