Re: [Bacnet-developers] [BACnet-developers] DNET and gateway

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Hello Derek,

There is an example BACnet router application (and readme) here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/bacnet/src/ci/master/tree/apps/router/

Best Regards,

Steve

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 10:04 AM Derek Noffke <de...@pu...> wrote:

> >> If you need to use multiple Ethernet ports for BACnet, then you will
> need to use a router application in addition to the gateway application
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> Where can I read more about this topic?
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> Regards,
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> Derek Noffke
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> PurpleSwift
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> *From:* Steve Karg [mailto:st...@ka...]
> *Sent:* Monday, 24 May 2021 16:42
> *To:* Derek Noffke
> *Cc:* Discussion for developers of the BACnet stack
> *Subject:* Re: [BACnet-developers] DNET and gateway
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> Hello Derek,
>
>
>
> The gateway example already calls dlenv_init(), which calls bip_init() -
> aliased as datalink_init():
>
>     /* === Initialize the Datalink Here === */
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>     if (!datalink_init(getenv("BACNET_IFACE"))) {
>         exit(1);
>     }
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> Before you run the gateway application, use:
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> $ export BACNET_IFACE=eth1 ; ./bin/bacgateway
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> See Q-16/A-16 in the Frequently Asked Questions:
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> https://sourceforge.net/p/bacnet/src/ci/master/tree/doc/README.faq
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> If you need to use multiple Ethernet ports for BACnet, then you will need
> to use a router application in addition to the gateway application.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Steve
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> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:06 AM Derek Noffke <de...@pu...>
> wrote:
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> Thanks Dave and Steve,
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> I do appreciate your time, effort and help.
>
> I now understand why I was getting the 255.255…  broadcast.
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> I have more than 1 Ethernet interface and the “demo” gateway code is not
> really geared to cater for multiple NICs.
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> My linux device has 2 NICs and I have no way of knowing which NIC the user
> is going to send the who-is request to.
>
> I also have added a SDN so there are 3 possible broadcast submasks to
> calculate.
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> I will need to add code to the gateway in order to call the  bip_init()
> dynamically and then store the corresponding local IP and broadcast address
> in a lookup table.
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> If I have this right then when a who-is request is received:
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> 1)      Lookup which NIC it arrived on.
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> 2)      If new then initialize for broadcast using  bip_init().
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> 3)      If not new then lookup broadcast submask and save in
> BIP_Broadcast_Address.s_addr so that the library sends the i-am using the
> correct broadcast IP.
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>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Derek Noffke
>
> PurpleSwift
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> Cell: 082 780 4680
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> Tel: 021 761 8264
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> *From:* Steve Karg [mailto:st...@ka...]
> *Sent:* Friday, 21 May 2021 21:41
> *To:* Discussion for developers of the BACnet stack
> *Subject:* Re: [Bacnet-developers] DNET and gateway
>
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> Hello Derek Noffke,
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> The command line apps allow for usage of BACNET_IFACE environment variable
> which you can set to the interface returned by ifconfig (on Linux) or the
> IP address (on Windows).  If you set (export) BACNET_IFACE to the
> appropriate interface, the initialization code will lookup the broadcast
> address appropriate for the interface.
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>
> As Dave mentioned BBMD is used to share broadcast messages which often are
> not routed from subnet to subnet. The BACnet/IP solution is to unicast the
> broadcast to a BBMD in another subnet where it can broadcast it locally.
> The dlenv.c module is used by most of the example command line apps to read
> some OS environment variables and configure the example app for the site.
> There are likely (at least in later versions) environment variables to
> configure the BBMD entries for the command line applications.
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> Best regards,
>
>
> Steve
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> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:42 AM Derek Noffke <de...@pu...>
> wrote:
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> Making some slowgress.
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> 1)      I had compiled the gateway to use who-is unicast
> //apdu_set_unconfirmed_handler(SERVICE_UNCONFIRMED_WHO_IS,
> handler_who_is_unicast);
> apdu_set_unconfirmed_handler(SERVICE_UNCONFIRMED_WHO_IS, handler_who_is);
>
> 2)      The broadcast goes to 255.255.255.255
> Seems the bip_init() is only called once??? and expects the ifname “eth0”
> If a who-is arrives on eth1 then the broadcast mask from eth0 is used.
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> Am I missing anything here?
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> Regards,
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> Derek Noffke
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> PurpleSwift
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> Cell: 082 780 4680
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> Tel: 021 761 8264
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> *From:* Derek Noffke [mailto:de...@pu...]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:28
> *To:* 'Discussion for developers of the BACnet stack'
> *Subject:* Re: [Bacnet-developers] DNET and gateway
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> I am still trying to solve this issue.
>
> I have installed tshark on my linux device so at least I can see the
> bacnet traffic.
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> The setup is as follows:
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> PC with BACnet client software at IP 155.247.120.90
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> PC is registered as a foreign device on BBMD at IP 10.124.44.63
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> My device 2700000 is at IP 10.124.44.94
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> Just to make things a little more difficult the subnet mask is 22 bits  L
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> [image: 3352 2021-05-19 12:10:51,278265 10.124.44.63 10.124.47.255
> BACnet-APDU 60 47814 Unconfirmed-REQ who-Is 3353 2021-05-19 12:10:51,278544
> 10.124.44.57 10.124.47.255 BACnet-APDU 68 47814 Unconfirmed-REQ i-Am
> device,1045010 3354 2021-05-19 12:10:51,278605 10.124.44.94 155.247.120.90
> BACnet-APDU 63 51948 Unconfirmed-REQ i-Am device,2700000]
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> So the PC sends a broadcast who-is to the BBMD on port 51948
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> The BBMD resends the who-is shown on line 3352 on port 47814
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> Some other bacnet device responds with a broadcast i-am on line 3353 on
> port 47814
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> My device sends a unicast i-am direct back to the PC on port 51948
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> Given that the PC only sees the “other” device I assume the unicast
> message is blocked.
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> Any help please.
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> Regards,
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>
> Derek Noffke
>
> PurpleSwift
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> Cell: 082 780 4680
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> Tel: 021 761 8264
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> *From:* Dave Lindauer via BACnet-developers [mailto:
> bac...@li...]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:49
> *To:* Derek Noffke; 'Discussion for developers of the BACnet stack'
> *Cc:* Dave Lindauer
> *Subject:* Re: [Bacnet-developers] DNET and gateway
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> Hi Derek,
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> Take me with a grain of salt…   I know quite a bit about bacnet over IP
> but haven’t spent extensive time setting up systems…
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> I suppose you set it up that way presuming the BBMD is on your current
> subnet.   Then you wouldn’t need to explicitly handle BBMDs I suppose.
>
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> But you are using multiple device objects routed at the same IP?   With
> the root device being DNET 0 and the rest of them being DNET 2809?   I
> don’t think you should program the DNET of 2809 into the BBMD.   I think
> what should be happening is you get the WHOIS broadcasts at the default
> DNET (0) and the bacnet stack does some work to make sure all the device
> objects  get it, since it is broadcast it can do that lol.    But the
> broadcasts will come in PTP as forwarded broadcast messages.
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> And of course responses should have the appropriate SNET set.
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> Not sure at this point if we had to make a modification to make it do
> either of those things though.   I know I modified that code, just cannot
> remember why…
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> *From:* Derek Noffke <de...@pu...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2021 10:40 AM
> *To:* 'Discussion for developers of the BACnet stack' <
> bac...@li...>
> *Cc:* Dave Lindauer <da...@po...>
> *Subject:* RE: [Bacnet-developers] DNET and gateway
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> Thanks Dave,
>
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> I know very little about BBMD workings so any info is most welcome.  J
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> Client on site manually adds my root device 2700000 to his BBMD.
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> Discover works 20% of the time.
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> Client says problem is 2700000 is on DNET 0 while all other are on DNET
> 2809
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> Regards,
>
>
>
> Derek Noffke
>
> PurpleSwift
>
> Cell: 082 780 4680
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> Tel: 021 761 8264
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> *From:* Dave Lindauer via BACnet-developers [
> mailto:bac...@li...
> <bac...@li...>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:15
> *To:* Discussion for developers of the BACnet stack
> *Cc:* Dave Lindauer
> *Subject:* Re: [Bacnet-developers] DNET and gateway
>
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> Generally the BBMD you want to talk to is on some other subnet.   To be
> compatible with a BBMD you have to register with it at intervals (the
> registration expires) so that you can get broadcasts from the other
> subnet.    Also in addition to broadcasting on your own network, you have
> to send your broadcasts directly to the BBMD in point to point fashion so
> that they can be received on the other network.   For example the IAM
> messages.
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> There is specific protocol related to this, but the bacnet stack has
> helpers and so forth.    There might be an example as well.    I found it
> pretty easy not only to interact with BBMDs but to create one for testing!
>
>
>
> David
>
> *From:* Derek Noffke <de...@pu...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2021 8:59 AM
> *To:* bac...@li...
> *Subject:* [Bacnet-developers] DNET and gateway
>
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> Greetings,
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>
> I have an app based on the gateway demo code.  BACnet Stack Version 0.8.4
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> I have been informed that my gateway is not compatible with a BBMD.
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> The startup I-AM sequence is attached.
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> I see that the I-AM for my “root” device 2700000 does NOT contain the DNET.
>
> Is this possibly the problem?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Derek Noffke
>
> PurpleSwift
>
> Cell: 082 780 4680
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> Tel: 021 761 8264
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