Re: [Babeldoc-devel] Project Leadership

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I like Mike's ideas. Talking about PM's roles I could do (c) and partly (a).
I would like if someone else (Bruce?!) could do (b) - PR!

Dejan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ansley" <mic...@ze...>
To: "Babeldoc Developer List" <bab...@li...>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Babeldoc-devel] Project Leadership

> Hi, all,
>
> In light of Dejan's comments, perhaps it would be a good time to make a
> slight change to the way the project is run.  Instead of a single PM, we
> could elect a very small team, say 3 people, who can drive the project
> (the Project Management (PM) team).  A core team of another four or five
> people can operate around them (this is by mutual consent, on
> invitation), providing any required skill support (mostly development,
> but it may include other skills).
>
> The PM team would be involved in:
> a) dispute resolution within the core team where required (I would
> expect most disputes to be resolved by discussion),
> b) perhaps some PR jobs (having three people would allow for at least
> one person who can talk to journos, and make public statements, etc.,
> which Dejan indicated he may not be comfortable with), or sometimes just
> clarifying issues on the mailing lists, issuing summaries of
> discussions, etc.
> c) various administrative tasks, such as adding new developers, and
> ensuring continuity within the PM and core teams, holding elections
> where required, etc.  Bruce will need to hand these over.
>
> NOTE: Core team = PM team + core developers; core developers != all
> developers with commit access.  Although some of the committers will be
> core developers, all the committers would continue at least with their
> current level of commitment to the project.  Core developers are
> expected to provide extra skills when called upon, so although it won't
> have an immediate impact, it is an extra commitment to the project.  As
> the list of committers becomes larger, these people will form the core
> technical decision-making structure.
>
> Apart from Dejan, I don't see any other candidate for a single PM, but
> without restructuring, the project may well lose Dejan's input at a PM
> level, which would be a significant loss.  A structure such as proposed
> here would allow the project to keep Dejan's skills and experience at
> the PM level, but complement them with other skills and perspective from
> somebody else, and provide Dejan (who I see as being a definite for one
> of the PM positions) with the support he requires.
> In fact, with a structure such as this, enough pressure may be taken off
> Bruce to allow him to continue as part of the PM team as well.  But even
> if he decides not to, it still allows Bruce to operate in the core team,
> which is a significant advisory role, without the extended overhead of
> full project management.
>
> It is important, using a structure such as this, to get people on the PM
> team who are going to work together, and not land up arguing over
> pointless stuff.  Also, the burden of duties must be agreeably (although
> not necessarily equally) shared.  These should be taken into account
> when making nominations.
>
> I hope this provides a start for some debate on the subject.
>
> Cheers...
>
>
> MikeA
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> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 14:36, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > First of all I have to say that I am pretty suprised by Bruce's
decission!
> > Especially because I haven't worked on Babeldoc a lot last few months.
> > I also I am not sure how much time I will have for Babeldoc in next
months,
> > too. I have worked on Babeldoc a lot when I needed it for one project.
Since
> > that project has been stopped I have contributed here because I like
this
> > project. I have many other reponsibilites now that make my greater
involment
> > in Babeldoc pretty hard.
> >
> > Also, I am not native English speaker (I leave in Belgrade, Serbia and
> > Montenegro) which could also be a problem in situations when someone
need to
> > talk in front of project and I am sure that there will be such
situations
> > since this project is growing.
> >
> > I really think that there should be more than one project leader since
this
> > is open source project and no one can expect from anyone to be always
> > avaliable. I know that I won't be! So I really think Bruce should remain
PM.
> > I also think we should include more people as PMs since we could hardly
find
> > one person that could spend enough time for Babeldoc. Today is much
better
> > situation then one year ago when there were only Bruce and me. Now we
have
> > many contributors and I think some of them could be prometed as PM. It
would
> > reduce risk and secure future of this project.
> >
> > Dejan
> > P.S.
> > Bruce, how this imacts on Babeldoc site and domain? I know that it is
> > currently hosted at your home.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bruce McDonald" <br...@mc...>
> > To: <bab...@li...>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:27 PM
> > Subject: [Babeldoc-devel] Project Leadership
> >
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Its been a great ride.  It seems that 1.2 is way beyond anything any
of us
> > > expected.  Its birth took some time and we need to consider the
future.
> > At
> > > the moment the organization needs to be considered.  I am the project
> > > founder, leader, developer, tester and build co-ordinator.  Obviously
I
> > > cannot fulfill all these roles and still be effective in all of them.
To
> > > remedy this, I want to resign as project leader.  I will still
develop,
> > test
> > > and build (if need be).  I obviously cannot yield the title of founder
and
> > I
> > > am proud of this accomplishment.  I will support those people that you
> > choose
> > > to lead this project.
> > >
> > > I want to open this project up and I nominate Dejan Krsmanovic as
project
> > > leader.  I feel that Dejan has the skills to look into the future and
to
> > make
> > > the ultimate calls about code inclusion and exclusion.
> > >
> > > Please submit the names of those others who have done work on Babeldoc
and
> > in
> > > two weeks time, submit a vote on the project leader.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Bruce McDonald.
> > >
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