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From: Dejan K. <dej...@nb...> - 2003-11-18 09:39:59
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I like Mike's ideas. Talking about PM's roles I could do (c) and partly (a). I would like if someone else (Bruce?!) could do (b) - PR! Dejan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ansley" <mic...@ze...> To: "Babeldoc Developer List" <bab...@li...> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Babeldoc-devel] Project Leadership > Hi, all, > > In light of Dejan's comments, perhaps it would be a good time to make a > slight change to the way the project is run. Instead of a single PM, we > could elect a very small team, say 3 people, who can drive the project > (the Project Management (PM) team). A core team of another four or five > people can operate around them (this is by mutual consent, on > invitation), providing any required skill support (mostly development, > but it may include other skills). > > The PM team would be involved in: > a) dispute resolution within the core team where required (I would > expect most disputes to be resolved by discussion), > b) perhaps some PR jobs (having three people would allow for at least > one person who can talk to journos, and make public statements, etc., > which Dejan indicated he may not be comfortable with), or sometimes just > clarifying issues on the mailing lists, issuing summaries of > discussions, etc. > c) various administrative tasks, such as adding new developers, and > ensuring continuity within the PM and core teams, holding elections > where required, etc. Bruce will need to hand these over. > > NOTE: Core team = PM team + core developers; core developers != all > developers with commit access. Although some of the committers will be > core developers, all the committers would continue at least with their > current level of commitment to the project. Core developers are > expected to provide extra skills when called upon, so although it won't > have an immediate impact, it is an extra commitment to the project. As > the list of committers becomes larger, these people will form the core > technical decision-making structure. > > Apart from Dejan, I don't see any other candidate for a single PM, but > without restructuring, the project may well lose Dejan's input at a PM > level, which would be a significant loss. A structure such as proposed > here would allow the project to keep Dejan's skills and experience at > the PM level, but complement them with other skills and perspective from > somebody else, and provide Dejan (who I see as being a definite for one > of the PM positions) with the support he requires. > In fact, with a structure such as this, enough pressure may be taken off > Bruce to allow him to continue as part of the PM team as well. But even > if he decides not to, it still allows Bruce to operate in the core team, > which is a significant advisory role, without the extended overhead of > full project management. > > It is important, using a structure such as this, to get people on the PM > team who are going to work together, and not land up arguing over > pointless stuff. Also, the burden of duties must be agreeably (although > not necessarily equally) shared. These should be taken into account > when making nominations. > > I hope this provides a start for some debate on the subject. > > Cheers... > > > MikeA > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 14:36, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote: > > Hi all, > > First of all I have to say that I am pretty suprised by Bruce's decission! > > Especially because I haven't worked on Babeldoc a lot last few months. > > I also I am not sure how much time I will have for Babeldoc in next months, > > too. I have worked on Babeldoc a lot when I needed it for one project. Since > > that project has been stopped I have contributed here because I like this > > project. I have many other reponsibilites now that make my greater involment > > in Babeldoc pretty hard. > > > > Also, I am not native English speaker (I leave in Belgrade, Serbia and > > Montenegro) which could also be a problem in situations when someone need to > > talk in front of project and I am sure that there will be such situations > > since this project is growing. > > > > I really think that there should be more than one project leader since this > > is open source project and no one can expect from anyone to be always > > avaliable. I know that I won't be! So I really think Bruce should remain PM. > > I also think we should include more people as PMs since we could hardly find > > one person that could spend enough time for Babeldoc. Today is much better > > situation then one year ago when there were only Bruce and me. Now we have > > many contributors and I think some of them could be prometed as PM. It would > > reduce risk and secure future of this project. > > > > Dejan > > P.S. > > Bruce, how this imacts on Babeldoc site and domain? I know that it is > > currently hosted at your home. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce McDonald" <br...@mc...> > > To: <bab...@li...> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:27 PM > > Subject: [Babeldoc-devel] Project Leadership > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > Its been a great ride. It seems that 1.2 is way beyond anything any of us > > > expected. Its birth took some time and we need to consider the future. > > At > > > the moment the organization needs to be considered. I am the project > > > founder, leader, developer, tester and build co-ordinator. Obviously I > > > cannot fulfill all these roles and still be effective in all of them. To > > > remedy this, I want to resign as project leader. I will still develop, > > test > > > and build (if need be). I obviously cannot yield the title of founder and > > I > > > am proud of this accomplishment. I will support those people that you > > choose > > > to lead this project. > > > > > > I want to open this project up and I nominate Dejan Krsmanovic as project > > > leader. I feel that Dejan has the skills to look into the future and to > > make > > > the ultimate calls about code inclusion and exclusion. > > > > > > Please submit the names of those others who have done work on Babeldoc and > > in > > > two weeks time, submit a vote on the project leader. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bruce McDonald. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > > > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > > > any Web browser or wireless device. 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