Thread: [Babeldoc-devel] Jabber module

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The jabber module doesn't seem to build properly.  Can anybody verify
this, and is anybody interested?  Does it matter right now?

Cheers...

MikeA

Hi,

Dejan, with your most recent changes to the jabber module, I got a clean
compile in eclipse.  First clean build for me ever of the jabber
module.  Just thought you might like to know ;-)

Cheers...

MikeA

Not only it compiles, it is working, too ;)  

I am thinking of making a first release of this module
soon. What about jfreereport module? Do you think it
can be released, too?

Dejan

--- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Dejan, with your most recent changes to the jabber
> module, I got a clean
> compile in eclipse.  First clean build for me ever
> of the jabber
> module.  Just thought you might like to know ;-)
> 
> Cheers...
> 
> 
> MikeA
> 
> 
> 

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Hi,

I think it's ready for a beta test, but not production yet.  I've given
it a few tests, but nothing major.  It'll get some more serious testing
over the next two months or so.

Unless anyone else wants to get testing and send me some feedback...

The main issue that probably needs to be discussed is the XMLTableModel
that I've written.  It uses XPath to fetch data from the input document
(the data for the report), but I'd imagine that this is horrendously
slow.  If anybody has any alternate ideas for the TableModel, I'm
listening.  I'm sure that this type of thing has already been done by
somebody, I just couldn't find anything.  Perhaps creating a local copy
of the data from the XML file privately within the TableModel will be
better?

Cheers...

MikeA
On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 16:13, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:
> Not only it compiles, it is working, too ;) =20
>=20
> I am thinking of making a first release of this module
> soon. What about jfreereport module? Do you think it
> can be released, too?
>=20
> Dejan
>=20
>=20
> --- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > Dejan, with your most recent changes to the jabber
> > module, I got a clean
> > compile in eclipse.  First clean build for me ever
> > of the jabber
> > module.  Just thought you might like to know ;-)
> >=20
> > Cheers...
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> >=20
> > MikeA
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Mike, 
I think we should release modules now. As long as they
are in beta, they should have version numbers < 1.0. 
It is important that users are able to download and
test them. I am not sure how many users are aware of
them now.

I'll will try to grant you necessery rights for making
releases so you can do it by yourself in future. By
now, modules could be in separate download group
called 'modules'.

What do you think, is it enough to put module's jar
files into one zip file? Documentation could be
generated using babeldoc after module zip file is
extracted into $BABELDOC_HOME/lib folder...

Dejan

--- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I think it's ready for a beta test, but not
> production yet.  I've given
> it a few tests, but nothing major.  It'll get some
> more serious testing
> over the next two months or so.
> 
> Unless anyone else wants to get testing and send me
> some feedback...
> 
> The main issue that probably needs to be discussed
> is the XMLTableModel
> that I've written.  It uses XPath to fetch data from
> the input document
> (the data for the report), but I'd imagine that this
> is horrendously
> slow.  If anybody has any alternate ideas for the
> TableModel, I'm
> listening.  I'm sure that this type of thing has
> already been done by
> somebody, I just couldn't find anything.  Perhaps
> creating a local copy
> of the data from the XML file privately within the
> TableModel will be
> better?
> 
> Cheers...
> 
> 
> MikeA
> On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 16:13, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:
> > Not only it compiles, it is working, too ;)  
> > 
> > I am thinking of making a first release of this
> module
> > soon. What about jfreereport module? Do you think
> it
> > can be released, too?
> > 
> > Dejan
> > 
> > 
> > --- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...>
> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Dejan, with your most recent changes to the
> jabber
> > > module, I got a clean
> > > compile in eclipse.  First clean build for me
> ever
> > > of the jabber
> > > module.  Just thought you might like to know ;-)
> > > 
> > > Cheers...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > MikeA
> > > 
> > > 
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Documentation?!?! ;-)  Do you have some sample source documentation, so
that I can copy the layout and format and stuff?

Cheers...

MikeA

On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 09:05, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:
> Mike,=20
> I think we should release modules now. As long as they
> are in beta, they should have version numbers < 1.0.=20
> It is important that users are able to download and
> test them. I am not sure how many users are aware of
> them now.
>=20
> I'll will try to grant you necessery rights for making
> releases so you can do it by yourself in future. By
> now, modules could be in separate download group
> called 'modules'.
>=20
> What do you think, is it enough to put module's jar
> files into one zip file? Documentation could be
> generated using babeldoc after module zip file is
> extracted into $BABELDOC_HOME/lib folder...
>=20
> Dejan
>=20
> --- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > I think it's ready for a beta test, but not
> > production yet.  I've given
> > it a few tests, but nothing major.  It'll get some
> > more serious testing
> > over the next two months or so.
> >=20
> > Unless anyone else wants to get testing and send me
> > some feedback...
> >=20
> > The main issue that probably needs to be discussed
> > is the XMLTableModel
> > that I've written.  It uses XPath to fetch data from
> > the input document
> > (the data for the report), but I'd imagine that this
> > is horrendously
> > slow.  If anybody has any alternate ideas for the
> > TableModel, I'm
> > listening.  I'm sure that this type of thing has
> > already been done by
> > somebody, I just couldn't find anything.  Perhaps
> > creating a local copy
> > of the data from the XML file privately within the
> > TableModel will be
> > better?
> >=20
> > Cheers...
> >=20
> >=20
> > MikeA
> > On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 16:13, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:
> > > Not only it compiles, it is working, too ;) =20
> > >=20
> > > I am thinking of making a first release of this
> > module
> > > soon. What about jfreereport module? Do you think
> > it
> > > can be released, too?
> > >=20
> > > Dejan
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > --- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >=20
> > > > Dejan, with your most recent changes to the
> > jabber
> > > > module, I got a clean
> > > > compile in eclipse.  First clean build for me
> > ever
> > > > of the jabber
> > > > module.  Just thought you might like to know ;-)
> > > >=20
> > > > Cheers...
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > MikeA
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PS: As a follow-up to the last question, how should the TableModel
integrate with the SqlQuery schema?  How to not bind the TableModel
directly to the SqlQuery schema?  Should the element names identifying
the rows and columns be exposed on the public interface, or should the
user of the TableModel simply set the XPath queries (that assumes, of
course, that XPath will continue to be used).

Also, what if the SqlQuery result has no "class" attribute?  Is it
feasible to guess, or should everything just be a String?

Cheers...

MikeA

On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 16:13, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:
> Not only it compiles, it is working, too ;) =20
>=20
> I am thinking of making a first release of this module
> soon. What about jfreereport module? Do you think it
> can be released, too?
>=20
> Dejan
>=20
>=20
> --- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > Dejan, with your most recent changes to the jabber
> > module, I got a clean
> > compile in eclipse.  First clean build for me ever
> > of the jabber
> > module.  Just thought you might like to know ;-)
> >=20
> > Cheers...
> >=20
> >=20
> > MikeA
> >=20
> >=20
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Mike,
IMO, modules should be released separatly. And it should be rule for all new
extensions that are not "core" stuff. I mean, if you have pipeline stage
that depends on some jars that are not already bundled with Babeldoc and if
that pipeline (scanner worker, journal implementation...) is not something
that all users would need - then I think it is better to be separated from
core Babeldoc. And, I also think that modules should be as fine grained as
possible. I like to think of this modules as plugins. In future we could
separate

We haven't agreed on what should be packaged in module file. For now I think
we could just put jar files (documentation could be generated from them),
but we should think about it in future! Do you have any ideas? Right now, it
is important that modules become visible to users so we can just put lib
files into zip file.

We don't have any howto for making releases. Bruce was the only one who made
releases for Babeldoc - I haven't done it. Anyway, there are documents on
SourceForge site which explains how this should be made. In short, you
should upload files on SourceForge ftp server and add files to file group
(Admin section).

About documentation (I just received your last mail). It can be generated
from your code so don't worry about it right now. You see, PipelineStageInfo
classes are used for few different purposes. One of them is document
generation (we were too lazy to write documentation by hand!). So when you
put libs in babeldoc lib folder and generate babeldoc documentation as
explained in readme (I can't remember now which pipeline it is)
documentation should be generated for all stages and scanner workers. We
should think about providing examples, too but that could be left for future
too. It is not production ready anyway, isn't it?!

Regards,
Dejan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ansley" <mic...@ze...>
To: "Dejan Krsmanovic" <dej...@nb...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Rights for making releases

Thanks, Dejan.

I'll set the version at 0.9.0, and then it can go. How exactly do you

plan to do this? Are all the modules going to go together (all two of

them ;-) or release each module on its own?

Presumably, having authorised me as a packager, you mean for me to

package the jfreereports module.

Is there a release HOWTO or something that I can read that explains how

I prepare the release?

Cheers...

MikeA

On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 13:40, Dejan Krsmanovic wrote:

> Mike,

> I have granted you "release tech" right. As I could understood that

> should be enough for you to make releases. If you have problems with

> making releases please contact me...

>

> Regards,

> Dejan

I guess it does not build. In fact I am even not sure
if it is working at all (it should work, Smack API is
pretty simple to use but I haven't tried it). Since I
haven't time to deal with it more I have separated
from the Babeldoc core so it can be maintained and
released separately. IMO, that should be path for
other new modules.
So, we should make some kind of framework or dummy
module that should be used for other modules too. It
should have defined structure (required files and
folders) and off course build script. I guess it
should not be different between modules. 
So if you have a time, do this for JFreeReport module
and I will do the same latter for Jabber (when I have
a time). We should also decide if we want to move
modules to different SF project but that is not urgent
yet.

Regards,
Dejan

--- Michael Ansley <mic...@ze...> wrote:
> The jabber module doesn't seem to build properly. 
> Can anybody verify
> this, and is anybody interested?  Does it matter
> right now?
> 
> Cheers...
> 
> 
> MikeA
> 
> 
> 
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