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From: Arafat M. <lu...@si...> - 2003-04-11 14:36:02
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Salam all, with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really think that our project will become a success? The resources are very narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? cheers _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
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From: Mohammed E. <elz...@ar...> - 2003-04-11 14:45:09
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 04:34:25PM +0200, Arafat Medini wrote: > Salam all, >=20 NASA should not explore space, there are still people starving on Earth. This is the same as your argument. This is silly, please put your time and= =20 energy on something useful instead of this nonesense. later --=20 ------------------------------------------------------- | Mohammed Elzubeir | Visit us at: | | | http://www.arabeyes.org/ | | Arabeyes Project | Homepage: | | Unix the 'right' way | http://fakkir.net/~elzubeir/| ------------------------------------------------------- --- Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=3Delzubeir |
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From: Nadim S. <sh...@ya...> - 2003-04-12 00:37:50
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--- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: > with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the > Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion > some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you > really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really > think that our project will become a success? The resources are very > narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily > using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now > what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced > apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the recent world news. Its understandable to be sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry among other things :-) but what is serious here is to question what has happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking with regard to Arabeyes, but it can be extrapolated to other things). What will it take for us to finally become active as we once were. I contend that we need to fist-slap our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have things we need to do and things we need to accomplish. This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ in itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - hope and work go hand-in-hand. Case in point - this mailing-list has in excess of 150 people on it (yup, 150). We see at most 5-6 active people posting and actually working and caring. What worries me and makes my head shake and boils my blood is wanting to know what will it take for the rest 144 people to get off their bums and finally say "Yes, I do indeed need to help and I will make a difference - I WILL DO IT !!". We've been taught (culturally and religiously) to give back to our community every chance we get - why is that such a difficult concept to comprehend ? As for "is Arabeyes needed - we're all going to be assimilated anyways ?" My answer would be, if you intend to dye your hair blond/pink, wear blue or green eye-contacts, change your name to Hans/Francois/John/Alberto and raise your kids as though they are from Atlantis then its a clear YES. I love my heritage and will do all I can to keep it alive and to raise my kids by its values and standards. > cheers I'll keep the cheers for later - if you don't mind :-/ Wake-up people - make a difference and contribute. Salam. - Nadim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
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From: Anson D. P. <ad...@cm...> - 2003-04-12 02:47:08
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rock on Nadim, I'm with you 100% - I just got back from a conference - if anyone would like to see my presentation it's available under "files" on my site. In short, the University of Virginia where I attend was founded by the late president Thomas Jefferson, thus the importance of his quotes - to quote again "I have often thought that nothing would do more extensive good at small expense than the establishment of a small circulating library in every country" -TJ, 1820. Thus the laptop game. I am working on it as we speak, I am going to burn to CD the entire pubmed database, the protein database etc.. so that the recipient of the laptop will have an up-to-date view of modern tech / science. Now more than ever we have a chance to play a role in the history of of newly founded nation. Fully one half of Iraq's population is under 18. They have energy and enthusiasm and the willingness to learn, and they will learn. They will have at their disposal all that modern science has offered thus far. And they will contribute. The science I work with, protein synthesis, is the most cutting edge technology in the biology / chemical world. Period. For anyone that wishes to discuss this power I will happily explain why the power of life - ie biology, is indeed nothing short of ultimate greatness. Moreover, the future of protein synthesis (the root of modern biology) now lies in the hands of programmers like you and I, not in stodgy old labs with thermometers and beakers. This means that the doors are wide open on this one, any amateur with little biological / chemical knowledge has the opportunity to contribute to this effort. As Nadim said - let's get to work - let's full steam dream. Dream hard, dream great, dream dream dream. And both day and night work as if this is the chance of a lifetime. It IS the chance of a lifetime. We have no choice but to work twice as hard for our friends, and brothers, the people of Iraq. Those kids deserve a chance to run the show without venture capitalist dollars pushing them into corners. I can't think of a better way than turning the youth on to protein synthesis, if anyone else has a better plan I'm all ears, but to me it seems time to put it all down and start working on this one. It IS the big one. I know that the Koran is important, I know that there are poems by Rumi that make men weep, but this is the 21st century, and biotech is running the show. Perhaps I have not made this clear. I love Arabic culture. I am the biggest redneck you have ever seen. My grandad is a Mississippi farmer. My other grandad was a Southern Baptist preacher from Texas. I am a tall, blue eyed, pink-skinned honky, cracker, whatever. Know what? I love Arab culture. I love it. I love the sand with no tracks, I love an Iraqi childs eyes, wider than mine and wise, I love the wide opalescent glow about her head, not even CNN can take it away. I love Arabic numbers, I love the language of this machine as it takes my words and spins them accross the globe to men I'll never meet, but whom I hope to entrust my laptop to. I love this chance I've been given to export as much from this land and put it to the hands of young Iraqi men and women keen on their own future, sick of torture and violence. I love the hope that their numerical wisdom, now embedded deep within their genes, will somehow solve these riddles. I slept last night for the first time in three days. I am breathless, I have wept, I have cheered, and now I'm back to work. Rock on ya'll, let's kick ass, or perhaps better yet, let's love this chance we have, let's give back Iraq. Anson --On Friday, April 11, 2003 5:36 PM -0700 Nadim Shaikli <sh...@ya...> wrote: > --- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: >> with our political situation right now and the whole >> situation of the Arab world, a question arises on which >> I want to hear some discussion some arguments that >> really convince and some interesting reads. Do you >> really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? >> Do you really think that our project will become a >> success? The resources are very narrow the people are >> not present and the Arabic culture is heavily using >> foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't >> even now what liberty is to understand what liberty of >> choice or open sourced apps are, and hoping alone rally >> doesn't help much. what do you think? > > Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the > recent world news. Its understandable to be > sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry among > other things :-) but what is serious here is to question > what has happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking > with regard to Arabeyes, but it can be extrapolated to > other things). What will it take for us to finally > become active as we once were. I contend that we need to > fist-slap our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have > things we need to do and things we need to accomplish. > This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ in > itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - > hope and work go hand-in-hand. > > Case in point - this mailing-list has in excess of 150 > people on it (yup, 150). We see at most 5-6 active > people posting and actually working and caring. What > worries me and makes my head shake and boils my blood is > wanting to know what will it take for the rest 144 people > to get off their bums and finally say "Yes, I do indeed > need to help and I will make a difference - I WILL DO IT > !!". > > We've been taught (culturally and religiously) to give > back to our community every chance we get - why is that > such a difficult concept to comprehend ? > > As for "is Arabeyes needed - we're all going to be > assimilated anyways ?" My answer would be, if you intend > to dye your hair blond/pink, wear blue or green > eye-contacts, change your name to > Hans/Francois/John/Alberto and raise your kids as though > they are from Atlantis then its a clear YES. I love my > heritage and will do all I can to keep it alive and to > raise my kids by its values and standards. > >> cheers > > I'll keep the cheers for later - if you don't mind :-/ > > Wake-up people - make a difference and contribute. > > Salam. > > - Nadim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
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From: Arafat M. <lu...@si...> - 2003-04-12 07:41:21
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Salam yeah that's what I wanted to hear :) cheers ;) Am Sam, 2003-04-12 um 02.36 schrieb Nadim Shaikli: > --- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: > > with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the > > Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion > > some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you > > really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really > > think that our project will become a success? The resources are very > > narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily > > using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now > > what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced > > apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? > > Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the recent world news. > Its understandable to be sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry > among other things :-) but what is serious here is to question what has > happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking with regard to Arabeyes, but > it can be extrapolated to other things). What will it take for us to > finally become active as we once were. I contend that we need to fist-slap > our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have things we need to do and things > we need to accomplish. This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ > in itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - hope and work go > hand-in-hand. > > Case in point - this mailing-list has in excess of 150 people on it (yup, > 150). We see at most 5-6 active people posting and actually working and > caring. What worries me and makes my head shake and boils my blood is > wanting to know what will it take for the rest 144 people to get off their > bums and finally say "Yes, I do indeed need to help and I will make a > difference - I WILL DO IT !!". > > We've been taught (culturally and religiously) to give back to our community > every chance we get - why is that such a difficult concept to comprehend ? > > As for "is Arabeyes needed - we're all going to be assimilated anyways ?" > My answer would be, if you intend to dye your hair blond/pink, wear blue > or green eye-contacts, change your name to Hans/Francois/John/Alberto and > raise your kids as though they are from Atlantis then its a clear YES. I > love my heritage and will do all I can to keep it alive and to raise my > kids by its values and standards. > > > cheers > > I'll keep the cheers for later - if you don't mind :-/ > > Wake-up people - make a difference and contribute. > > Salam. > > - Nadim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc > _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
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From: Jasem M. <mut...@ku...> - 2003-04-12 13:59:49
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> Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the recent world news. > Its understandable to be sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry > among other things :-) but what is serious here is to question what has > happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking with regard to Arabeyes, but > it can be extrapolated to other things). What will it take for us to > finally become active as we once were. I contend that we need to fist-slap > our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have things we need to do and things > we need to accomplish. This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ > in itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - hope and work go > hand-in-hand. I thought one of the rules was not to discuss anything related to politics, or this is an exception? - Jasem Mutlaq KStars: http://edu.kde.org/kstars KTelescope: http://ktelescope.sf.net _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
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From: Anmar O. <an...@ca...> - 2003-04-13 04:27:57
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I think a question like this is important to ask our selves every once in a while. Queations like this allow us to check and see why we do the things we do. It ignites the passion of what is driving us and reminds us why we are here... it is the big picture. I think we need Arabeyes.org because it unites us, that is one thing the Arab mentality needs more than anything. I think it structurs our goals and allows us to reach them. Think of the alternative :(. I appeal to all the non-active people on this list, Please lend a helping hand. You will be doing your selves, culture, people and your kids a big benefit. How big and or small, it will make a difference if you are too busy... than I am sure you would not have read this email any way and if you do, do something about it don't just jump to the next message. Take care all.... Anmar Arafat Medini wrote: > Salam all, > > with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the > Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion > some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you > really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really > think that our project will become a success? The resources are very > narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily > using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now > what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced > apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? > > cheers > > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc > _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
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