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From: Timothy A. G. <tgr...@ta...> - 2003-04-18 01:27:56
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Al-Mughni Al-Akbar gives =C3=D2=D1=DE =DE=C7=CA=E3, and = http://tarjim.ajeeb.com gives =C3=D2=D1=DE =CF=C7=DF=E4 for cyan.=20 HTH=20 --tag -----Original Message----- From: doc...@ar... [mailto:doc...@ar...] On Behalf = Of Arafat Medini Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:15 PM To: do...@ar... Subject: Re: Translation question Salam as an online reference I am using Almisbar which is great in conjunction with lisan al3arab. That's all!!! and the dictionary is great, I also = use my Sister which studies english at university ;)=20 I for myself don't think a dictionary alone would make it BUT Almisbar = is the best dictionary I found out there. http://www.almisbar.com cheers Am Don, 2003-04-17 um 15.01 schrieb Youcef Rabah Rahal: > Salam, >=20 > Can anyone tell me what is the translation of the 'cyan' color ? It=20 > would be unfortunate that with a language so rich in color-related=20 > words, we translate it to 'sayani' !!! (The same happened with=20 > 'magenta', I finally found in Ajeeb that it was 'orjowani'). Or, is=20 > 'sayani' an Arabic word ? >=20 > Does anyone know about a reference that could help in translating=20 > color > names for ex. And if someone knows about a 'complete' online arabic=20 > dictionary (containing general words, not necessarily computer ones), please=20 > let me know. Ajeeb is good, but i couldn't find 'cyan' for example. I = am=20 > trying to compile a list of references to add to the 'Translator = Guide'. >=20 > In short, what are the online references you are using while=20 > translating + > How do you translate 'cyan' ? :-) >=20 > Youcef. >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail : un compte GRATUIT qui vous suit partout et tout le temps ! > http://g.msn.fr/FR1000/9493 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc >=20 _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Arafat M. <lu...@si...> - 2003-04-17 17:16:22
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Salam as an online reference I am using Almisbar which is great in conjunction with lisan al3arab. That's all!!! and the dictionary is great, I also use my Sister which studies english at university ;) I for myself don't think a dictionary alone would make it BUT Almisbar is the best dictionary I found out there. http://www.almisbar.com cheers Am Don, 2003-04-17 um 15.01 schrieb Youcef Rabah Rahal: > Salam, > > Can anyone tell me what is the translation of the 'cyan' color ? > It would be unfortunate that with a language so rich in color-related words, > we translate it to 'sayani' !!! (The same happened with 'magenta', I finally > found in Ajeeb that it was 'orjowani'). Or, is 'sayani' an Arabic word ? > > Does anyone know about a reference that could help in translating color > names for ex. And if someone knows about a 'complete' online arabic > dictionary (containing general words, not necessarily computer ones), please > let me know. Ajeeb is good, but i couldn't find 'cyan' for example. I am > trying to compile a list of references to add to the 'Translator Guide'. > > In short, what are the online references you are using while translating + > How do you translate 'cyan' ? :-) > > Youcef. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail : un compte GRATUIT qui vous suit partout et tout le temps ! > http://g.msn.fr/FR1000/9493 > > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc > _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Nadim S. <sh...@ya...> - 2003-04-17 15:22:08
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--- Youcef Rabah Rahal <yrrahal42 hotmail.com> wrote: > [snip] > > And if someone knows about a 'complete' online arabic dictionary > (containing general words, not necessarily computer ones), please > let me know. I would love to know too as it would certainly help with full_wordlist; after all, the intent behind full_wordlist was/is to create a 'complete' online open-source english->arabic dictionary. Salam. - Nadim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Youcef R. R. <yrr...@ho...> - 2003-04-17 13:01:58
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Salam, Can anyone tell me what is the translation of the 'cyan' color ? It would be unfortunate that with a language so rich in color-related words, we translate it to 'sayani' !!! (The same happened with 'magenta', I finally found in Ajeeb that it was 'orjowani'). Or, is 'sayani' an Arabic word ? Does anyone know about a reference that could help in translating color names for ex. And if someone knows about a 'complete' online arabic dictionary (containing general words, not necessarily computer ones), please let me know. Ajeeb is good, but i couldn't find 'cyan' for example. I am trying to compile a list of references to add to the 'Translator Guide'. In short, what are the online references you are using while translating + How do you translate 'cyan' ? :-) Youcef. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : un compte GRATUIT qui vous suit partout et tout le temps ! http://g.msn.fr/FR1000/9493 _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Nadim S. <sh...@ya...> - 2003-04-15 21:11:54
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--- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: > Guadec 4 is on the coming (it will be held in the 16th of june I think) > and I thought we have to prepare ourselves to GUADEC 5 I wanted to be > present anyway in a GUADEC meetingand so it wouldbe great to represent > Arabeyes with a sheet about translation for eg. As we have big > experience now in this field and I live in europe, what do you think? As > said , I'm speaking about GUADEC5 not the coming one which is 4. > her eis the URL for more info. > http://www.guadec.org I thought you were talking in chinese there for a second. A statement noting that Guadec is "Gnome Users and Devlopers European Conference" would have been nice to start with :-) I'm all for attending and talking to people as an Arabeyes volunteer given we have a set agenda and a clear direction since this seems like a great opportunity to raise awareness about _our_ collective needs. For instance the inclusion of some of our libraries, the fixing of certain bugs, etc. Those are my thoughts... - Nadim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Arafat M. <lu...@si...> - 2003-04-15 20:55:52
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Hi all, Guadec 4 is on the coming (it will be held in the 16th of june I think) and I thought we have to prepare ourselves to GUADEC 5 I wanted to be present anyway in a GUADEC meetingand so it wouldbe great to represent Arabeyes with a sheet about translation for eg. As we have big experience now in this field and I live in europe, what do you think? As said , I'm speaking about GUADEC5 not the coming one which is 4. her eis the URL for more info. http://www.guadec.org _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Youcef R. R. <yrr...@ho...> - 2003-04-14 10:38:16
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Salam, I think it is always difficult to start doing something alone. In other words, yes, the pioneer' life isn't that easy, and we are pioneers ! Maybe in thirty years or so insha Allah, you could proudly look back in time and say :'Yes, I was among those people who start generalizing the use of Open Source in the Arab World, and we made a wonderful thing, thanks God !'. In the meantime, things won't be easy. It is difficult to raise people's interest for our project. It is even harder to make them contribute after they register for an account (sad but true). And so difficult to make them stay on the long-run ! Saying 'what are we doing this while people are interested in other things?' is a good question. But the right question, I think, should be 'What are the solutions to change our situation (as Arabs) ?'. In other terms, we must not ask 'How(or why) did we get in this situation?' but 'How can we change it?'. The first question should be asked later. Raising awareness about open-source and the dangerousness of closed-source software in the Arab World is a noble cause and goes in the direction of 'how can we change our situation?'. However, everything has to start somewhere. You can't expect generalizing Open Source without actually starting to do it. And waiting for others to do it in your place is wrong. Imagine a world where everyone would count on others to make things in their place: nothing would change !!! And we are the ones (as people who has a certain amount of knowlegde about open-source) who SHOULD do the FIRST move. We can't disconnect ourselves from the reality, and the actual situation is really sad/bad/alarming etc. But we can't stop and watch passively. We must change things by ourselves, in the limits of our power. The main common 'power' between the people subscribed to this list, and to Arabeyes in general, is the computer/open-source/linux etc knowlegde. SO LET'S USE THIS POWER !!! IMHO, here are some useful questions: 1- How can we get more voulunteers ? 2- How can we make those volunteers active ? 3- How can we keep the active volunteers interested ? 4- Are we going t attain our goals with the current configuration ? If not, what else should we do ? 5- ... Feel free to append this list ;-) What about the answers now ? Salam, Youcef. PS: Arafat, - It is not beacuse the political situation that people don't know freedom. Liberty is inate in every human. - It is not beacuse arabs are using foreign languages in the technical domains that this situation can't be changed. It should simply be done in an intelligent manner (in Algeria, arabization, in schools, was done anarchically in the 60's-70's and it did more harm than good). However, this is a global problem. Even the French complain about the increasing use of English in the technical domains ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez gratuitement MSN Messenger ! http://www.msn.fr/msger/default.asp _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Mohammad S. <sa...@fa...> - 2003-04-13 22:54:21
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Salam All, As a new comer I don't know if it's good or bad that one of the first few discussions I participate in is "do we need to continue or not?" I don't know anything of the whole picture but I can tell you that I was delighted to find out by chance (while searching for an Arabic version of Logo for my little sister) that such an effort exists. Most of the great open source projects are held together by few numbers (if not one) of dedicated individuals and these corner stones are the ones that make it happen. Others will come and go, that is the open source life cycle. Bottom line, what your doing will eventually be achieved through arabeyes.org or others, if arabeyes.org is destined to be the spark that caused it all that would be great. It is every individual's choice to be part of it or sit on the side lines. Regards, Mohammed J. Saleh -----Original Message----- From: doc...@ar... [mailto:doc...@ar...] On Behalf Of Nadim Shaikli Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:07 PM To: do...@ar... Subject: Re: do we need any arabeyes ? --- burkan burkan <burkan21 hotmail com> wrote: > i'm one of those 144 people, i'd like to help you (us) but my problems are: > - my level of english, i'm not very well in english. Your english sounds good to me - plus, how is one expected to learn without practice :-) ? > - I work (8 h) and study (5 h) every day, so i haven't much time. We're all in similar positions (some more so than what you even mention), but let's put in this way - do you have 1 or possibly 2 hours PER WEEK to assist ? Slow/small is better than nothing/none - think about that. Burkan, I'm not picking on you (you were courageous enough to reply unlike the other 143 :-), but I'm simply making the point that _any_ contribution even 30-minutes a week will do wonders given there is a commitment. Salam - Nadim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Nadim S. <sh...@ya...> - 2003-04-13 22:08:16
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--- burkan burkan <burkan21 hotmail com> wrote: > i'm one of those 144 people, i'd like to help you (us) but my problems are: > - my level of english, i'm not very well in english. Your english sounds good to me - plus, how is one expected to learn without practice :-) ? > - I work (8 h) and study (5 h) every day, so i haven't much time. We're all in similar positions (some more so than what you even mention), but let's put in this way - do you have 1 or possibly 2 hours PER WEEK to assist ? Slow/small is better than nothing/none - think about that. Burkan, I'm not picking on you (you were courageous enough to reply unlike the other 143 :-), but I'm simply making the point that _any_ contribution even 30-minutes a week will do wonders given there is a commitment. Salam - Nadim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Arafat M. <lu...@si...> - 2003-04-13 19:50:07
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Salam Hassan, Epiphany is the latest browser made by Marco pesenti gritti based on the mozilla gecko rendering engine. You can take a look here: http://epiphany.mozdev.org/ the browser became a part of the gnome project and its a great innovative piece of software.Take a look. I completed translation you can take a look at it. I am translating it instead of galeon. cheers Am Son, 2003-04-13 um 20.47 schrieb Hassan Abdin: > What is Epiphany? Do we have a role in translating Epiphany? > -- > Yours Truely, > > Hassan Abdin _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Hassan A. <ha...@li...> - 2003-04-13 18:50:07
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What is Epiphany? Do we have a role in translating Epiphany? -- Yours Truely, Hassan Abdin |
From: Anson D. P. <ad...@cm...> - 2003-04-13 18:15:01
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Now I know I love you guys - I haven't checked my email for two days, I just figured I'd get flamed for being too passionate... seriously, I have been denounced by just about every "peace" group in town, the Arabic department thinks my plans are too technical, they wanted to translate poetry to bring our worlds together. the "food not bombs" group, run by an iranian chick, suggested that I was "helping terrorists get biotech" and "had better watch out" - that belief was seconded by several other groups on campus and around town. I must be on the right track to have pissed off these cowards. That is what they are. Cowards, scared to do anything but protest. That's what they love to do, protest this and that, but take no action. So for the time being the Rad Lab and aladigital.net is just me. I'm keeping up my end of the bargain though. This laptop complete with some enormous databases will head out of here in approx 5 months (I need the time to get it right) aided by the only other dude who trusts me, dr Robert Kretsinger http://www.virginia.edu/biology/Fac/Kretsinger.html the man is a brilliant protein synthesis expert and a master sculptor. He has promised to get the laptop and cd's etc to Paris when he leaves in October. glad you guys are all on the same page, and yeah, I think at a time like this a little reflection outside our respective boxes is appropriate, let's face it, this is a turning point in history. I am continuing my public relations campaign, for what it is worth any online submissions on my website will help me in convincing the public that this is an effort supported by real Arabs. It is one drawback to being a big white guy, no one thinks for a minute that I could ever know or care about anything besides getting oil into my back yard >%! (fyi: I don't drive). anson --On Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:20 PM +0200 Mohammed Sameer <Un...@gm...> wrote: > I may not know what's this all about "i didn't have time > to read the thread from the beginning" But. > Perhaps we are all disappointed, Perhaps not feeling well. > Perhaps everything is going wrong, not as we might want. > > I'm one of those disappointed ppl. But i'm working "if > what i'm doing can be considered useful" for the hope of > the future. > > -- > ---------------- > -- Katoob Main Developer > Linux registered user # 224950 > ICQ # 58475622 > FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast "Brian > Kernighan". _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Mohammed S. <Un...@gm...> - 2003-04-13 12:30:34
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I may not know what's this all about "i didn't have time to read the thread from the beginning" But. Perhaps we are all disappointed, Perhaps not feeling well. Perhaps everything is going wrong, not as we might want. I'm one of those disappointed ppl. But i'm working "if what i'm doing can be considered useful" for the hope of the future. -- ---------------- -- Katoob Main Developer Linux registered user # 224950 ICQ # 58475622 FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast "Brian Kernighan". |
From: Anmar O. <an...@ca...> - 2003-04-13 04:27:57
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I think a question like this is important to ask our selves every once in a while. Queations like this allow us to check and see why we do the things we do. It ignites the passion of what is driving us and reminds us why we are here... it is the big picture. I think we need Arabeyes.org because it unites us, that is one thing the Arab mentality needs more than anything. I think it structurs our goals and allows us to reach them. Think of the alternative :(. I appeal to all the non-active people on this list, Please lend a helping hand. You will be doing your selves, culture, people and your kids a big benefit. How big and or small, it will make a difference if you are too busy... than I am sure you would not have read this email any way and if you do, do something about it don't just jump to the next message. Take care all.... Anmar Arafat Medini wrote: > Salam all, > > with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the > Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion > some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you > really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really > think that our project will become a success? The resources are very > narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily > using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now > what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced > apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? > > cheers > > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc > _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Mohammed S. <Un...@gm...> - 2003-04-12 20:02:22
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Once upon a time Youcef Rabah Rahal wrote @ Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:34:47 +0200 > OK, > > Isam said 'ta7seen el 7awaff'. His message was UTF-8. > And you can view it here: > http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/doc/2003/April/msg00016.html > sometimes i consider myself very stupid, why didn't i think about that ? thanks! > Salam. > > > > > > >From: Mohammed Sameer > >Subject: Re: translation for "Anti Aliasing" > >Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:01:08 +0200 > > > >Once upon a time Youcef Rabah Rahal wrote @ Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:40:02 +0200 > > > > > Salam, > > > > > > I didn't say anything more than 'Tamlees el 7awaff' (Smoothing the > >Edges). > > > Really ;-) The weird signs come from Isam's message when I did Reply-To > >in > > > Hotmail (within Netscape). That's all ! > > > > > > Youcef. > > > > >I was wondering about the "content" in Isam'e message! > >-- > >---------------- > >-- Katoob Main Developer > >Linux registered user # 224950 > >ICQ # 58475622 > >FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast "Brian Kernighan". > ><< attach3 >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! > http://www.msn.fr/msger/default.asp > > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc -- ---------------- -- Katoob Main Developer Linux registered user # 224950 ICQ # 58475622 FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast "Brian Kernighan". |
From: Youcef R. R. <yrr...@ho...> - 2003-04-12 19:35:15
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OK, Isam said 'ta7seen el 7awaff'. His message was UTF-8. And you can view it here: http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/doc/2003/April/msg00016.html Salam. >From: Mohammed Sameer >Subject: Re: translation for "Anti Aliasing" >Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:01:08 +0200 > >Once upon a time Youcef Rabah Rahal wrote @ Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:40:02 +0200 > > > Salam, > > > > I didn't say anything more than 'Tamlees el 7awaff' (Smoothing the >Edges). > > Really ;-) The weird signs come from Isam's message when I did Reply-To >in > > Hotmail (within Netscape). That's all ! > > > > Youcef. > > >I was wondering about the "content" in Isam'e message! >-- >---------------- >-- Katoob Main Developer >Linux registered user # 224950 >ICQ # 58475622 >FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast "Brian Kernighan". ><< attach3 >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://www.msn.fr/msger/default.asp _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Mohammed S. <Un...@gm...> - 2003-04-12 19:16:22
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Once upon a time Youcef Rabah Rahal wrote @ Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:40:02 +0200 > Salam, > > I didn't say anything more than 'Tamlees el 7awaff' (Smoothing the Edges). > Really ;-) The weird signs come from Isam's message when I did Reply-To in > Hotmail (within Netscape). That's all ! > > Youcef. > I was wondering about the "content" in Isam'e message! -- ---------------- -- Katoob Main Developer Linux registered user # 224950 ICQ # 58475622 FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast "Brian Kernighan". |
From: Nadim S. <sh...@ya...> - 2003-04-12 17:10:04
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Salam all - post the break-up of the complete full_wordlist file (its now a file per letter), could we get an update of current status ? http://cvs.arabeyes.org/cvsweb/translate/misc Last we heard we had, Letter | Person/Status ----------+----------------------------- A | Ossama K. is working on it (DONE !!!) B | Ossama K. is working on it M | Munzir T. is working on it N | Yousef Raffa is working on it O | Anmar O. is working on it S | Anmar O. is working on it Y | Yousef Raffa is working on it Z | Anmar O. is working on it (DONE !!!) with the remaining letters available for the taking. Is sufficient progress being made to meet our self-imposed May 15th deadline ? BTW: we need more translators :-) if anyone is interested. Salam. - Nadim "the BuZZZZzzzz, wake-up guy" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Jasem M. <mut...@ku...> - 2003-04-12 13:59:49
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> Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the recent world news. > Its understandable to be sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry > among other things :-) but what is serious here is to question what has > happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking with regard to Arabeyes, but > it can be extrapolated to other things). What will it take for us to > finally become active as we once were. I contend that we need to fist-slap > our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have things we need to do and things > we need to accomplish. This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ > in itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - hope and work go > hand-in-hand. I thought one of the rules was not to discuss anything related to politics, or this is an exception? - Jasem Mutlaq KStars: http://edu.kde.org/kstars KTelescope: http://ktelescope.sf.net _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Ossama K. <os...@nh...> - 2003-04-12 12:39:54
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From: Arafat M. <lu...@si...> - 2003-04-12 07:41:21
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Salam yeah that's what I wanted to hear :) cheers ;) Am Sam, 2003-04-12 um 02.36 schrieb Nadim Shaikli: > --- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: > > with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the > > Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion > > some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you > > really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really > > think that our project will become a success? The resources are very > > narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily > > using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now > > what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced > > apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? > > Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the recent world news. > Its understandable to be sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry > among other things :-) but what is serious here is to question what has > happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking with regard to Arabeyes, but > it can be extrapolated to other things). What will it take for us to > finally become active as we once were. I contend that we need to fist-slap > our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have things we need to do and things > we need to accomplish. This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ > in itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - hope and work go > hand-in-hand. > > Case in point - this mailing-list has in excess of 150 people on it (yup, > 150). We see at most 5-6 active people posting and actually working and > caring. What worries me and makes my head shake and boils my blood is > wanting to know what will it take for the rest 144 people to get off their > bums and finally say "Yes, I do indeed need to help and I will make a > difference - I WILL DO IT !!". > > We've been taught (culturally and religiously) to give back to our community > every chance we get - why is that such a difficult concept to comprehend ? > > As for "is Arabeyes needed - we're all going to be assimilated anyways ?" > My answer would be, if you intend to dye your hair blond/pink, wear blue > or green eye-contacts, change your name to Hans/Francois/John/Alberto and > raise your kids as though they are from Atlantis then its a clear YES. I > love my heritage and will do all I can to keep it alive and to raise my > kids by its values and standards. > > > cheers > > I'll keep the cheers for later - if you don't mind :-/ > > Wake-up people - make a difference and contribute. > > Salam. > > - Nadim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc > _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Youcef R. R. <yrr...@ho...> - 2003-04-12 07:40:20
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Salam, I didn't say anything more than 'Tamlees el 7awaff' (Smoothing the Edges). Really ;-) The weird signs come from Isam's message when I did Reply-To in Hotmail (within Netscape). That's all ! Youcef. _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez gratuitement MSN Messenger ! http://www.msn.fr/msger/default.asp _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Anson D. P. <ad...@cm...> - 2003-04-12 02:47:08
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rock on Nadim, I'm with you 100% - I just got back from a conference - if anyone would like to see my presentation it's available under "files" on my site. In short, the University of Virginia where I attend was founded by the late president Thomas Jefferson, thus the importance of his quotes - to quote again "I have often thought that nothing would do more extensive good at small expense than the establishment of a small circulating library in every country" -TJ, 1820. Thus the laptop game. I am working on it as we speak, I am going to burn to CD the entire pubmed database, the protein database etc.. so that the recipient of the laptop will have an up-to-date view of modern tech / science. Now more than ever we have a chance to play a role in the history of of newly founded nation. Fully one half of Iraq's population is under 18. They have energy and enthusiasm and the willingness to learn, and they will learn. They will have at their disposal all that modern science has offered thus far. And they will contribute. The science I work with, protein synthesis, is the most cutting edge technology in the biology / chemical world. Period. For anyone that wishes to discuss this power I will happily explain why the power of life - ie biology, is indeed nothing short of ultimate greatness. Moreover, the future of protein synthesis (the root of modern biology) now lies in the hands of programmers like you and I, not in stodgy old labs with thermometers and beakers. This means that the doors are wide open on this one, any amateur with little biological / chemical knowledge has the opportunity to contribute to this effort. As Nadim said - let's get to work - let's full steam dream. Dream hard, dream great, dream dream dream. And both day and night work as if this is the chance of a lifetime. It IS the chance of a lifetime. We have no choice but to work twice as hard for our friends, and brothers, the people of Iraq. Those kids deserve a chance to run the show without venture capitalist dollars pushing them into corners. I can't think of a better way than turning the youth on to protein synthesis, if anyone else has a better plan I'm all ears, but to me it seems time to put it all down and start working on this one. It IS the big one. I know that the Koran is important, I know that there are poems by Rumi that make men weep, but this is the 21st century, and biotech is running the show. Perhaps I have not made this clear. I love Arabic culture. I am the biggest redneck you have ever seen. My grandad is a Mississippi farmer. My other grandad was a Southern Baptist preacher from Texas. I am a tall, blue eyed, pink-skinned honky, cracker, whatever. Know what? I love Arab culture. I love it. I love the sand with no tracks, I love an Iraqi childs eyes, wider than mine and wise, I love the wide opalescent glow about her head, not even CNN can take it away. I love Arabic numbers, I love the language of this machine as it takes my words and spins them accross the globe to men I'll never meet, but whom I hope to entrust my laptop to. I love this chance I've been given to export as much from this land and put it to the hands of young Iraqi men and women keen on their own future, sick of torture and violence. I love the hope that their numerical wisdom, now embedded deep within their genes, will somehow solve these riddles. I slept last night for the first time in three days. I am breathless, I have wept, I have cheered, and now I'm back to work. Rock on ya'll, let's kick ass, or perhaps better yet, let's love this chance we have, let's give back Iraq. Anson --On Friday, April 11, 2003 5:36 PM -0700 Nadim Shaikli <sh...@ya...> wrote: > --- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: >> with our political situation right now and the whole >> situation of the Arab world, a question arises on which >> I want to hear some discussion some arguments that >> really convince and some interesting reads. Do you >> really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? >> Do you really think that our project will become a >> success? The resources are very narrow the people are >> not present and the Arabic culture is heavily using >> foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't >> even now what liberty is to understand what liberty of >> choice or open sourced apps are, and hoping alone rally >> doesn't help much. what do you think? > > Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the > recent world news. Its understandable to be > sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry among > other things :-) but what is serious here is to question > what has happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking > with regard to Arabeyes, but it can be extrapolated to > other things). What will it take for us to finally > become active as we once were. I contend that we need to > fist-slap our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have > things we need to do and things we need to accomplish. > This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ in > itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - > hope and work go hand-in-hand. > > Case in point - this mailing-list has in excess of 150 > people on it (yup, 150). We see at most 5-6 active > people posting and actually working and caring. What > worries me and makes my head shake and boils my blood is > wanting to know what will it take for the rest 144 people > to get off their bums and finally say "Yes, I do indeed > need to help and I will make a difference - I WILL DO IT > !!". > > We've been taught (culturally and religiously) to give > back to our community every chance we get - why is that > such a difficult concept to comprehend ? > > As for "is Arabeyes needed - we're all going to be > assimilated anyways ?" My answer would be, if you intend > to dye your hair blond/pink, wear blue or green > eye-contacts, change your name to > Hans/Francois/John/Alberto and raise your kids as though > they are from Atlantis then its a clear YES. I love my > heritage and will do all I can to keep it alive and to > raise my kids by its values and standards. > >> cheers > > I'll keep the cheers for later - if you don't mind :-/ > > Wake-up people - make a difference and contribute. > > Salam. > > - Nadim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Doc mailing list > Do...@ar... > http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Nadim S. <sh...@ya...> - 2003-04-12 00:37:50
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--- Arafat Medini <lumina silverpen de> wrote: > with our political situation right now and the whole situation of the > Arab world, a question arises on which I want to hear some discussion > some arguments that really convince and some interesting reads. Do you > really think that our work helps the Arabs in any way? Do you really > think that our project will become a success? The resources are very > narrow the people are not present and the Arabic culture is heavily > using foreign languages for technical work, the arabs don't even now > what liberty is to understand what liberty of choice or open sourced > apps are, and hoping alone rally doesn't help much. what do you think? Arafat, your questioning is most likely based on the recent world news. Its understandable to be sad/confused/happy/worried/hyperventilated/hungry among other things :-) but what is serious here is to question what has happened to us Arabs in general (I'm talking with regard to Arabeyes, but it can be extrapolated to other things). What will it take for us to finally become active as we once were. I contend that we need to fist-slap our own faces to WAKE-UP to realize we have things we need to do and things we need to accomplish. This feeling of helplessness and indifference _is_ in itself defeat and there is no reason to be defeated - hope and work go hand-in-hand. Case in point - this mailing-list has in excess of 150 people on it (yup, 150). We see at most 5-6 active people posting and actually working and caring. What worries me and makes my head shake and boils my blood is wanting to know what will it take for the rest 144 people to get off their bums and finally say "Yes, I do indeed need to help and I will make a difference - I WILL DO IT !!". We've been taught (culturally and religiously) to give back to our community every chance we get - why is that such a difficult concept to comprehend ? As for "is Arabeyes needed - we're all going to be assimilated anyways ?" My answer would be, if you intend to dye your hair blond/pink, wear blue or green eye-contacts, change your name to Hans/Francois/John/Alberto and raise your kids as though they are from Atlantis then its a clear YES. I love my heritage and will do all I can to keep it alive and to raise my kids by its values and standards. > cheers I'll keep the cheers for later - if you don't mind :-/ Wake-up people - make a difference and contribute. Salam. - Nadim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Doc mailing list Do...@ar... http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc |
From: Mohammed S. <Un...@gm...> - 2003-04-11 21:48:35
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