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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-06 04:12:56
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I use TortoiseSVN, but its strictly command line. Hopefully next month SVN will be integrated into NetBeans. Meanwhile the client is included in the svn you have, but its all command line. A quick web search gave this sponsored link: http://www.syntevo.com/smartsvn/index.jsp Here's the gui from the folk who wrote svn: http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/ Bill James S <jam...@gm...> wrote: Bill can you recommend a good SVN Client/GUI for Linux? Thanks, James On 5/5/06, Bill la Forge < laf...@ya...> wrote: James, Delighted to hear back from you. Hope you're feeling better. But I'd rather have long term involvement that a fast burnout on this project--I look forward to working with you for a long time. :-) As for the logo, I think equal emphasis is good. Agile too often refers to a programming style, like XP, and there are so many wiki's out there.Our differentiation is first in having a wiki that is easy to reorganize and second having an open source application platform that is wiki based. Our market is developers, simply because it is an application platform. We need to make it very easy for developers to use (even if they don't join the development effort) and attractive for their end users. And the latter is why graphics are important. We'll not succeed unles our web site and product look nice and are easy to use. And we'll also not succeed unless we can show how easy it is to develop to. That also means we need to create a team environment which is very supportive and friendly. I have not takes a good look at jotspot myself. But what excites me about it is that, because of jotspot we don't need to spend too much effort explaining what a wiki-based application server is, though ours will be very different. You will notice that most open source projects are copies, to a large degree, of commercial products. It is very difficult to have developers agree on a direction when the work is completely original. My experience to date is that it takes about 2 years of work on an original project just to develop a minimal community. So jotspot, a web service which charges for the extra features that everyone really needs, really opens the doors for us. Its ours now to loose. My feer is that the initial GUIs of AgileWiki3 are so bad that we're making a horrible first impression. So we need to emphasise that they are only there for testing while other aspects are being developed. And we need some nice looking web pages to show that not everything we do is ugly. Now I wouldn't trust the svn that came with your box. This product is under rapid development. So keep an eye on the version numbers. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure what privileges you have at java.net. Can you access our svn files? Can you update? If you'll take a look at my latest blog, you'll see my ambitions for this weekend. http://laforge49.blogspot.com b James S <jam...@gm...> wrote: Hi Bill, I've been busy at my regular job and a little under the weather so it took me a while to get back with you. 1. I'm glad that we are going to focus on the java.net site. I downloaded the template and will work on it over the next couple of days. I was confused about all of the websites so focusing on the one will be good. 2. I will take a good look at jotspot.com 3. I don't like the green in the logo either. I think that either gray or the blue is good. I've included both. The blue emphasises the Wiki part more if that is the goal, otherwise the gray reads easier. 4. I've gotten subversion loaded at home on my Linux box--in fact it came with Fedora 5. I downloaded the manual which I plan on printing out today and reading it this weekend. I hope to get it installed on my Mac at work very soon. 5. The weather on the bottom of my Firefox browser is called Forecastfox. It is a nice little plugin. You can find it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/398/ James On 5/4/06, Bill la Forge < laf...@ya...> wrote: Hi James! I got the web page and it looks nice. I hope you don't mind a bunch of feedback... We've really got 4 web sites: 1. www.java.net Has its own standards for conformance. This is a "normal" web site that supports normal HTML and all. The audience here is Java developers. The goal of this site, for us, is to get them interested in either working on AgileWiki3 or, eventually, writing applications for it. If you go to https://java-enterprise.dev.java.net/ you will see a list of various projects there. These projects conform to the site requirements. And you'll note that the home page of each project is just a frame in the larger page, where the site provides the top and left frames. And they all use that ugly blue bar for navigation--required. 2. project web pages for www.sourceforge.net Currently I'm just doing a redirect to the project page in AgileWiki2 at agilewiki.org. But I'm also keeping some resources there like slides. Before AgileWiki2 became self hosting, I used to have a huge site there, built up layer on layer over a 2 year period. It was pretty horrible. 3. There is the AgileWiki2 self-hosting web site. The http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html page is probably the only "normal" page on the site. Here we can put a page like you designed and change the link from sourceforge to point to it. All the other pages are constrained by the limitations of the AgileWiki2 program, which serves up these pages. This site is pretty badly messed up right now. The database died and I had not been taking backups, so I restored old content and then only updated the intentions page. This site will go off the air in 3 to 6 months. My current thinking is that this site serves only to demonstrate the prototype. Its a super wiki. But AgileWiki3 is (intended to be) both a wiki and an application server--like www.jotspot.com. Do take a look at this site, please. This site offers limited service for free but for things like access control (which even AgileWiki2 has), they charge. 4. The new web site, coming up any day now. Some pages will be normal html pages, others will be the strange looking ones produced by the early alpha version of AgileWiki3. General comments First on the Logo. The green doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps make it blue to match the circle? That then ties to the color of the web page and it all fits nicely. (I really don't see adding extra words to the logo later.) Otherwise I think the logo is great. On the bottom I see the weather. Is that part of the page? Adjusted for the location of the viewer based on IP address? More curious than anything. Last line I can't see too well. And its important. I like it there, but perhaps a little darker? I don't want to dig into the content too much of the page you gave. Rather I'd first like to establish the context it is to serve in. It could not replace http://agilewiki.org/wiki/uuid/D3pUgh0M2Bk1HEzxa-4skWmN/_ as that is a page generated by the prototype. But it could replace http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html and we could redirect the home page link at compstrm.sourceforge.net to point to it. Alternatively, we could have compstrm.sourceforge.net point to www.java.net so that we only have one web site for now. I really want to de-emphasise the current agilewiki.org site as it is just the prototype and a bit out of date and messed up because of the last restore. I want to take the site (but not the URL) down as soon as possible. The new server will include the new (hardly working) code, as well as regular pages. I could be clearer if it was clearer to me. Having 3 sites and a fourth coming up is a mess. I think for the moment its best just to focus on a nice page or 3 at www.java.net and perhaps have compstrm.sourceforge.net redirect you there for now. I'd also (and this addresses content) like to distinguish clearly between AgileWiki2 (a super wiki, but only a wiki, but still a prototype for AgileWiki3) and AgileWiki3 (a wiki-based application server). Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-06 04:05:53
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<h1>The AgileWiki3 Team</h1> <p>We are only starting to build the development team and are looking for developers, testers and content providers of all skill levels. If you are interested, pleas join the <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/compstrm-wiki">discussion list</a>.</p> <p> </p> <p><img border="0" src="images/BiLaf.gif" width="54" height="50"> <b>Bill la Forge</b></p> <p>A research engineer with 30+ years experience in Software Development, his most successful Open Source project was <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/jxquick">Quick</a>, with over 10,000 downloads. A native of Pennsylvania, Bill is currently working for Sun Microsystems and living in Bangalore but now calls Raipur home. <a href="http://laforge49.blogspot.com/">Blog</a></p> <p><img border="0" src="images/NoKas.jpg" width="62" height="64"> <b>Norman Kashdan</b></p> <p>A consulting ontologist and the Father of Rolonics, Norm lives on the outskirts of Boston. <a href="http://ontologist.blogspot.com/">Blog</a></p> <p><b>James Simonsen</b></p> <p>His background is in graphic arts, including most of the printing industry and graphic technology. He is the color theory/digital imaging expert at American Color in Houston and an expert on the Mac as well.</p> |
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From: James S <jam...@gm...> - 2006-05-06 04:03:13
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Bill can you recommend a good SVN Client/GUI for Linux? Thanks, James On 5/5/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote: > > James, > > Delighted to hear back from you. Hope you're feeling better. But I'd > rather have long term involvement that a fast burnout on this project--I > look forward to working with you for a long time. :-) > > As for the logo, I think equal emphasis is good. Agile too often refers t= o > a programming style, like XP, and there are so many wiki's out there.Ourd= ifferentiation is first in having a wiki that is easy to reorganize and > second having an open source application platform that is wiki based. > > Our market is developers, simply because it is an application platform. W= e > need to make it very easy for developers to use (even if they don't join = the > development effort) and attractive for their end users. And the latter is > why graphics are important. We'll not succeed unles our web site and prod= uct > look nice and are easy to use. And we'll also not succeed unless we can s= how > how easy it is to develop to. That also means we need to create a team > environment which is very supportive and friendly. > > I have not takes a good look at jotspot myself. But what excites me about > it is that, because of jotspot we don't need to spend too much effort > explaining what a wiki-based application server is, though ours will be v= ery > different. > > You will notice that most open source projects are copies, to a large > degree, of commercial products. It is very difficult to have developers > agree on a direction when the work is completely original. My experience = to > date is that it takes about 2 years of work on an original project just t= o > develop a minimal community. So jotspot, a web service which charges for = the > extra features that everyone really needs, really opens the doors for us. > Its ours now to loose. My feer is that the initial GUIs of AgileWiki3 are= so > bad that we're making a horrible first impression. So we need to emphasis= e > that they are only there for testing while other aspects are being > developed. And we need some nice looking web pages to show that not > everything we do is ugly. > > Now I wouldn't trust the svn that came with your box. This product is > under rapid development. So keep an eye on the version numbers. Also, as = I > mentioned earlier, I'm not sure what privileges you have at java.net. Can > you access our svn files? Can you update? > > If you'll take a look at my latest blog, you'll see my ambitions for this > weekend. http://laforge49.blogspot.com > > b > > > *James S <jam...@gm...>* wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I've been busy at my regular job and a little under the weather so it too= k > me a while to get back with you. > > 1. I'm glad that we are going to focus on the java.net site. I downloaded > the template and will work on it over the next couple of days. I was > confused about all of the websites so focusing on the one will be good. > > 2. I will take a good look at jotspot.com > > 3. I don't like the green in the logo either. I think that either gray or > the blue is good. I've included both. The blue emphasises the Wiki part m= ore > if that is the goal, otherwise the gray reads easier. > > 4. I've gotten subversion loaded at home on my Linux box--in fact it came > with Fedora 5. I downloaded the manual which I plan on printing out today > and reading it this weekend. I hope to get it installed on my Mac at work > very soon. > > 5. The weather on the bottom of my Firefox browser is called Forecastfox. > It is a nice little plugin. You can find it here: https://addons.mozilla.= org/firefox/398/ > > > James > > > > On 5/4/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote: > > > > Hi James! > > > > I got the web page and it looks nice. I hope you don't mind a bunch of > > feedback... > > > > We've really got 4 web sites: > > > > 1. www.java.net Has its own standards for conformance. This is a > > "normal" web site that supports normal HTML and all. The audience here = is > > Java developers. The goal of this site, for us, is to get them interest= ed in > > either working on AgileWiki3 or, eventually, writing applications for i= t. > > > > If you go to https://java-enterprise.dev.java.net/ you will see a list > > of various projects there. These projects conform to the site requireme= nts. > > And you'll note that the home page of each project is just a frame in t= he > > larger page, where the site provides the top and left frames. And they = all > > use that ugly blue bar for navigation--required. > > > > 2. project web pages for www.sourceforge.net Currently I'm just doing a > > redirect to the project page in AgileWiki2 at agilewiki.org. But I'm > > also keeping some resources there like slides. Before AgileWiki2 became= self > > hosting, I used to have a huge site there, built up layer on layer over= a 2 > > year period. It was pretty horrible. > > > > 3. There is the AgileWiki2 self-hosting web site. The http://agilewiki.= org/AgileWiki/index.html > > page is probably the only "normal" page on the site. Here we can put a > > page like you designed and change the link from sourceforge to point to= it. > > All the other pages are constrained by the limitations of the AgileWiki= 2 > > program, which serves up these pages. > > > > This site is pretty badly messed up right now. The database died and I > > had not been taking backups, so I restored old content and then only up= dated > > the intentions page. This site will go off the air in 3 to 6 months. > > > > My current thinking is that this site serves only to demonstrate the > > prototype. Its a super wiki. But AgileWiki3 is (intended to be) both a = wiki > > and an application server--like www.jotspot.com. *Do take a look at thi= s > > site*, please. This site offers limited service for free but for things > > like access control (which even AgileWiki2 has), they charge. > > > > 4. The new web site, coming up any day now. Some pages will be normal > > html pages, others will be the strange looking ones produced by the ear= ly > > alpha version of AgileWiki3. > > > > > > General comments > > > > First on the Logo. The green doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps make it blue > > to match the circle? That then ties to the color of the web page and it= all > > fits nicely. (I really don't see adding extra words to the logo later.) > > Otherwise I think the logo is great. > > > > On the bottom I see the weather. Is that part of the page? Adjusted for > > the location of the viewer based on IP address? More curious than anyth= ing. > > > > Last line I can't see too well. And its important. I like it there, but > > perhaps a little darker? > > > > I don't want to dig into the content too much of the page you gave. > > Rather I'd first like to establish the context it is to serve in. It co= uld > > not replace http://agilewiki.org/wiki/uuid/D3pUgh0M2Bk1HEzxa-4skWmN/_ a= s > > that is a page generated by the prototype. But it could replace > > http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html and we could redirect the hom= e > > page link at compstrm.sourceforge.net to point to it. Alternatively, we > > could have compstrm.sourceforge.net point to www.java.net so that we > > only have one web site for now. > > > > I really want to de-emphasise the current agilewiki.org site as it is > > just the prototype and a bit out of date and messed up because of the l= ast > > restore. I want to take the site (but not the URL) down as soon as poss= ible. > > The new server will include the new (hardly working) code, as well > > as regular pages. > > > > I could be clearer if it was clearer to me. Having 3 sites and a fourth > > coming up is a mess. I think for the moment its best just to focus on a= nice > > page or 3 at www.java.net and perhaps have compstrm.sourceforge.netredi= rect you there for now. > > > > I'd also (and this addresses content) like to distinguish clearly > > between AgileWiki2 (a super wiki, but only a wiki, but still a prototyp= e for > > AgileWiki3) and AgileWiki3 (a wiki-based application server). > > > > Bill > > ------------------------------ > > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click > > here > > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswers/*http://in.answers.yahoo.co= m> > > > > > ------------------------------ > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. 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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-06 00:37:10
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James, Delighted to hear back from you. Hope you're feeling better. But I'd rather have long term involvement that a fast burnout on this project--I look forward to working with you for a long time. :-) As for the logo, I think equal emphasis is good. Agile too often refers to a programming style, like XP, and there are so many wiki's out there.Our differentiation is first in having a wiki that is easy to reorganize and second having an open source application platform that is wiki based. Our market is developers, simply because it is an application platform. We need to make it very easy for developers to use (even if they don't join the development effort) and attractive for their end users. And the latter is why graphics are important. We'll not succeed unles our web site and product look nice and are easy to use. And we'll also not succeed unless we can show how easy it is to develop to. That also means we need to create a team environment which is very supportive and friendly. I have not takes a good look at jotspot myself. But what excites me about it is that, because of jotspot we don't need to spend too much effort explaining what a wiki-based application server is, though ours will be very different. You will notice that most open source projects are copies, to a large degree, of commercial products. It is very difficult to have developers agree on a direction when the work is completely original. My experience to date is that it takes about 2 years of work on an original project just to develop a minimal community. So jotspot, a web service which charges for the extra features that everyone really needs, really opens the doors for us. Its ours now to loose. My feer is that the initial GUIs of AgileWiki3 are so bad that we're making a horrible first impression. So we need to emphasise that they are only there for testing while other aspects are being developed. And we need some nice looking web pages to show that not everything we do is ugly. Now I wouldn't trust the svn that came with your box. This product is under rapid development. So keep an eye on the version numbers. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure what privileges you have at java.net. Can you access our svn files? Can you update? If you'll take a look at my latest blog, you'll see my ambitions for this weekend. http://laforge49.blogspot.com b James S <jam...@gm...> wrote: Hi Bill, I've been busy at my regular job and a little under the weather so it took me a while to get back with you. 1. I'm glad that we are going to focus on the java.net site. I downloaded the template and will work on it over the next couple of days. I was confused about all of the websites so focusing on the one will be good. 2. I will take a good look at jotspot.com 3. I don't like the green in the logo either. I think that either gray or the blue is good. I've included both. The blue emphasises the Wiki part more if that is the goal, otherwise the gray reads easier. 4. I've gotten subversion loaded at home on my Linux box--in fact it came with Fedora 5. I downloaded the manual which I plan on printing out today and reading it this weekend. I hope to get it installed on my Mac at work very soon. 5. The weather on the bottom of my Firefox browser is called Forecastfox. It is a nice little plugin. You can find it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/398/ James On 5/4/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote: Hi James! I got the web page and it looks nice. I hope you don't mind a bunch of feedback... We've really got 4 web sites: 1. www.java.net Has its own standards for conformance. This is a "normal" web site that supports normal HTML and all. The audience here is Java developers. The goal of this site, for us, is to get them interested in either working on AgileWiki3 or, eventually, writing applications for it. If you go to https://java-enterprise.dev.java.net/ you will see a list of various projects there. These projects conform to the site requirements. And you'll note that the home page of each project is just a frame in the larger page, where the site provides the top and left frames. And they all use that ugly blue bar for navigation--required. 2. project web pages for www.sourceforge.net Currently I'm just doing a redirect to the project page in AgileWiki2 at agilewiki.org. But I'm also keeping some resources there like slides. Before AgileWiki2 became self hosting, I used to have a huge site there, built up layer on layer over a 2 year period. It was pretty horrible. 3. There is the AgileWiki2 self-hosting web site. The http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html page is probably the only "normal" page on the site. Here we can put a page like you designed and change the link from sourceforge to point to it. All the other pages are constrained by the limitations of the AgileWiki2 program, which serves up these pages. This site is pretty badly messed up right now. The database died and I had not been taking backups, so I restored old content and then only updated the intentions page. This site will go off the air in 3 to 6 months. My current thinking is that this site serves only to demonstrate the prototype. Its a super wiki. But AgileWiki3 is (intended to be) both a wiki and an application server--like www.jotspot.com. Do take a look at this site, please. This site offers limited service for free but for things like access control (which even AgileWiki2 has), they charge. 4. The new web site, coming up any day now. Some pages will be normal html pages, others will be the strange looking ones produced by the early alpha version of AgileWiki3. General comments First on the Logo. The green doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps make it blue to match the circle? That then ties to the color of the web page and it all fits nicely. (I really don't see adding extra words to the logo later.) Otherwise I think the logo is great. On the bottom I see the weather. Is that part of the page? Adjusted for the location of the viewer based on IP address? More curious than anything. Last line I can't see too well. And its important. I like it there, but perhaps a little darker? I don't want to dig into the content too much of the page you gave. Rather I'd first like to establish the context it is to serve in. It could not replace http://agilewiki.org/wiki/uuid/D3pUgh0M2Bk1HEzxa-4skWmN/_ as that is a page generated by the prototype. But it could replace http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html and we could redirect the home page link at compstrm.sourceforge.net to point to it. Alternatively, we could have compstrm.sourceforge.net point to www.java.net so that we only have one web site for now. I really want to de-emphasise the current agilewiki.org site as it is just the prototype and a bit out of date and messed up because of the last restore. I want to take the site (but not the URL) down as soon as possible. The new server will include the new (hardly working) code, as well as regular pages. I could be clearer if it was clearer to me. Having 3 sites and a fourth coming up is a mess. I think for the moment its best just to focus on a nice page or 3 at www.java.net and perhaps have compstrm.sourceforge.net redirect you there for now. I'd also (and this addresses content) like to distinguish clearly between AgileWiki2 (a super wiki, but only a wiki, but still a prototype for AgileWiki3) and AgileWiki3 (a wiki-based application server). Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: James S <jam...@gm...> - 2006-05-05 21:12:04
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Speaking of websites and graphics. I'm using Nvu http://www.nvu.com/ for the web development. It is an opensource web authoring program and stacks u= p very well against Adobe GoLive which I have at work and at home. I'm attempting to use as many open source products as possible to get in th= e spirit of things. James |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-05 14:08:18
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James, Well, its not that great. I put an absolute file URL in the HTML content of a npjs to pull up the logo. And AwSwingClient was able to display it. <img src="file:///aw/trunk/AwSwingClient/dist/images/AgileWiki.jpg" width="150" height="75"> So, with some packaging and some URL transformations in both clients, we'll be able to make use of graphics. :-) Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-05 08:25:25
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James, I've changed the home web page link on sourceforge project pages to point to http://agilewiki.dev.java.net There's still another sourceforge reference that needs to be changed... http://compstrm.sourceforge.net still reditects you to http://agilewiki.org/wiki/uuid/D3pUgh0M2Bk1HEzxa-4skWmN/_ but I'll get to that later. So I'm still s l o w l y moving from sourceforge to java.net. The release forum is still on sourceforge, as is this list. I also want to clear some potential confusion about the image library I was talking about. The http://agilewiki.dev.java.net project home page you are replacing with something built on the templates I gave you, yes? That file will be located under the top-level www folder in the svn files. Images used by that page must be in the same or subordinate folders. Lets keep something of the same convention and have an images folder under www for those images. However, there's the images used by generated html produced by AwServer. These will need to be kept in the download zip file for AwSwingClient and in AwServlet's war file. These are the images I was talking about eariler today as being referenced by as file:images/somegraphic.gif, with the url translated on the fly by the clients. Of course, there's also the http://agilewiki.org site. Lets not bother updating that one--its going to be replaced (with about a 3 month overlap) by pages generated by AgileWiki3. I can't put it any more simply--its a mess. Bill __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-05 05:30:50
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I'm thinking that the best way to support images is with an image library, and that we should use file urls to identify images. Lets say we have all our graphics in a images directory and reference it in all our internal html code as a relative file url like "file:images/cabinet.gif". Now (I think) we can use regular html tools for creating html files, you just put the images directory in the same directory where you are working. AwServlet would, when it encounters such a URL transform it to reference a copy in its war file. You might then think that we don't need to make any changes to AwSwingClient, but if we want to use web start, the files need to be in a jar file. So AwSwingClient will also need to transform these file image urls as it encounters them. The advantages here are ease of implementation and speed of access by AwServletClient. The disadvantage is that we'll need to keep all the images under svn--users will not be able to add their own images, though they can still add html content which references images located elsewhere on the web. Eventually it would of course be nice to serve up images from the Ark. But I'd rather take things one step at a time. Bills __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-05 00:29:55
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Now its just occurred to me that since a rolon (in aw3) can hold a complete document, we should have a means of viewing just the document by itself. When using the webUI model, you just get the naked documents. This could be the default when not logged in. This allows AgileWiki to look like a regular web site. With static HTML pages. We'll need to keep graphics elsewhere (due to complications I outlined in an eariler email). But those graphics should have a date or version# in their URL so we can support past and current views of a page. (References to graphics on a web page then requires the date/version as well.) The advantage here is that the pages are under AgileWiki3 and so we can view older versions. The restriction is that they are just static pages, all be it with WikiNames. The difficulty is in managing the graphics over time--we'll never be able to delete an older version of a graphic without a lot of work to assure that we aren't creating a broken link. Then once you login, you change to the wikiUI and you can make changes just like on a regular wiki page. But minimal capability unless you switch to a more advanced user interface model. Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-05 00:11:09
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Rather than focus on what is, which is more than a bit of a mess, it is probably clearer to focus on what we should do and where we are going. First, the nice thing about java.net is that the web site can be there and is under subversion, which allows everyone to contribute. You just put the main page under the www folder and everything else below that. You may or may not have the ability to update subversion at java.net. The site documentation of which roles give you which privileges is very unclear. James, I'll be glad to give you more privileges if you can not yet do updates. (Norm, you can have them if you want them, but you'll need subversion.) The catch here is that the top-level page must then conform to the J2EE community templets. We gotta do this if the project is to come out of incubator stage. We can redirect both the home page at compstrm.sourceforge.org and the home page at agilewiki.org to point there. In the future, we'll want to use the new site which will host AgileWiki3, but for a while keep a link to the old site which hosts AgileWiki2 as a prototype demo. But for the next 2 months or so, AgileWiki3 will not support content. Not until we have the backup and restore utilities working. :-( Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 23:42:39
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Hi James! I got the web page and it looks nice. I hope you don't mind a bunch of feedback... We've really got 4 web sites: 1. www.java.net Has its own standards for conformance. This is a "normal" web site that supports normal HTML and all. The audience here is Java developers. The goal of this site, for us, is to get them interested in either working on AgileWiki3 or, eventually, writing applications for it. If you go to https://java-enterprise.dev.java.net/ you will see a list of various projects there. These projects conform to the site requirements. And you'll note that the home page of each project is just a frame in the larger page, where the site provides the top and left frames. And they all use that ugly blue bar for navigation--required. 2. project web pages for www.sourceforge.net Currently I'm just doing a redirect to the project page in AgileWiki2 at agilewiki.org. But I'm also keeping some resources there like slides. Before AgileWiki2 became self hosting, I used to have a huge site there, built up layer on layer over a 2 year period. It was pretty horrible. 3. There is the AgileWiki2 self-hosting web site. The http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html page is probably the only "normal" page on the site. Here we can put a page like you designed and change the link from sourceforge to point to it. All the other pages are constrained by the limitations of the AgileWiki2 program, which serves up these pages. This site is pretty badly messed up right now. The database died and I had not been taking backups, so I restored old content and then only updated the intentions page. This site will go off the air in 3 to 6 months. My current thinking is that this site serves only to demonstrate the prototype. Its a super wiki. But AgileWiki3 is (intended to be) both a wiki and an application server--like www.jotspot.com. Do take a look at this site, please. This site offers limited service for free but for things like access control (which even AgileWiki2 has), they charge. 4. The new web site, coming up any day now. Some pages will be normal html pages, others will be the strange looking ones produced by the early alpha version of AgileWiki3. General comments First on the Logo. The green doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps make it blue to match the circle? That then ties to the color of the web page and it all fits nicely. (I really don't see adding extra words to the logo later.) Otherwise I think the logo is great. On the bottom I see the weather. Is that part of the page? Adjusted for the location of the viewer based on IP address? More curious than anything. Last line I can't see too well. And its important. I like it there, but perhaps a little darker? I don't want to dig into the content too much of the page you gave. Rather I'd first like to establish the context it is to serve in. It could not replace http://agilewiki.org/wiki/uuid/D3pUgh0M2Bk1HEzxa-4skWmN/_ as that is a page generated by the prototype. But it could replace http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html and we could redirect the home page link at compstrm.sourceforge.net to point to it. Alternatively, we could have compstrm.sourceforge.net point to www.java.net so that we only have one web site for now. I really want to de-emphasise the current agilewiki.org site as it is just the prototype and a bit out of date and messed up because of the last restore. I want to take the site (but not the URL) down as soon as possible. The new server will include the new (hardly working) code, as well as regular pages. I could be clearer if it was clearer to me. Having 3 sites and a fourth coming up is a mess. I think for the moment its best just to focus on a nice page or 3 at www.java.net and perhaps have compstrm.sourceforge.net redirect you there for now. I'd also (and this addresses content) like to distinguish clearly between AgileWiki2 (a super wiki, but only a wiki, but still a prototype for AgileWiki3) and AgileWiki3 (a wiki-based application server). Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: James S <jam...@gm...> - 2006-05-04 15:58:15
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Bill, I've started construction on the webpage today. I've gone to Agilewiki.organd I am pulling information from those pages. I downloaded the bootstrap files. James |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 15:51:04
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James, When you're new to a project, there's always a lot to learn. And being new to Open Source, there's even more! Just remember to have fun while you're doing it. These are the good times. --b James S <jam...@gm...> wrote: Thanks Bill, I'm trying to get up to speed as fast as I can. I've downloaded subversion and I am reading about how to install it now. I doubt I will be able to add any code for a while, but I will continue to work on the webpage and the icons. I certainly have a lot to learn. James On 5/4/06, Bill la Forge < laf...@ya...> wrote: James, I'm delighted with our interactions to date and want to assure you of the oportunity to work on virtually anything of interest within your comfort zone. Are you familiar with subversion? You'll likely need it to make updates: http://subversion.tigris.org/ Hopefully in about a month, subversion will be fully integrated into NetBeans. Right now there are a few minor tricks to using both together. Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: James S <jam...@gm...> - 2006-05-04 15:41:19
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Thanks Bill, I'm trying to get up to speed as fast as I can. I've downloaded subversion and I am reading about how to install it now. I doubt I will be able to add any code for a while, but I will continue to work on the webpage and the icons. I certainly have a lot to learn. James On 5/4/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote: > > James, > > I'm delighted with our interactions to date and want to assure you of the > oportunity to work on virtually anything of interest within your comfort > zone. > > Are you familiar with subversion? You'll likely need it to make updates: = http://subversion.tigris.org/ > > > Hopefully in about a month, subversion will be fully integrated into > NetBeans. Right now there are a few minor tricks to using both together. > > Bill > > ------------------------------ > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click her= e > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswers/*http://in.answers.yahoo.com> > > |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 13:02:48
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I can now put html on form displays as just another element. This works for both the Swing and the Servlets. Text client is now out of date, which likely means scripts are broken as well. I need to get back to them after I add checkboxes to forms. I also noticed that the html forms don't yet have a cancel button... Gotta fix that! Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 12:11:17
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In the directory of the AwSwingClient download, I just double clicked on the jar file and up came the swing client--connected to the backend at agilewiki.org. Cool Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 12:07:39
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Elements in a form should handle enter and esc keys. Enter should be the same as clicking the OK button. Esc should be the same as clicking the Cancel button. Need a check box element, especially to select plain text or html on document entry. In general, keyboard navigation is lacking. :-( --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 06:41:35
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James, I'm delighted with our interactions to date and want to assure you of the oportunity to work on virtually anything of interest within your comfort zone. Are you familiar with subversion? You'll likely need it to make updates: http://subversion.tigris.org/ Hopefully in about a month, subversion will be fully integrated into NetBeans. Right now there are a few minor tricks to using both together. Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 03:29:18
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James, In the NetBeans projects window, right click on the project and then click on generate JavaCocs. Now it will work. Note that doing a build/clean deletes the JavaDocs but does not rebuild them. Bill ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. http://in.answers.yahoo.com |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 02:33:07
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This also does not work for me. But try tools menue, JavaDoc Index Search.
Bill
James S <jam...@gm...> wrote:
I got in and posted my problem.
I loaded Netbeans on my Linux box as well and while the auto-complete works the Javadoc doesn't. When I right click on something and want to show javadoc it says it isn't found. I don't know how to load the javadoc for the JDK. Perhaps I'm not understanding how to load a javadoc to the IDE, but I'm following the help file the best I can.
James
On 5/3/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote: Well, it looks like NetBeans registration is working now.
Bill
James S < jam...@gm...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
I'm having probelms installing Netbeans 5.0 on my Mac. I'm running 10.4.5 with the latest Java updates and the SDK.
I originally got Netbeans working, but it wouldn't see javadoc even when I pointed to it and auto complete did not work. I downloaded the source on a sugesstion and pointed to it as well. Since that time Netbeans will not function. I get this error:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateSourceLevel (J2SEPlatformModule.java:60)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.access$000(J2SEPlatformModule.java :31)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule$1.run(J2SEPlatformModule.java:46)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postRequest(Mutex.java:1113)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postWriteRequest (Mutex.java:483)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateBuildProperties(J2SEPlatformModule.java :41)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.restored(J2SEPlatformModule.java:36)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.loadCode (NbInstaller.java:360)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.load(NbInstaller.java:276)
at org.netbeans.ModuleManager.enable(ModuleManager.java :898)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.installNew(ModuleList.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.trigger (ModuleList.java:311)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleSystem.restore(ModuleSystem.java:244)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.getModuleSystem (Main.java:206)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.start(Main.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.TopThreadGroup.run(TopThreadGroup.java:90)
[catch] at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:613)
I tried to search the issues database but had to register, and the registration doesn't seem to be working as I have not received my conformation email. Can you offer any help or steer me in the right direction?
Thanks,
James
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From: James S <jam...@gm...> - 2006-05-04 02:15:21
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I got in and posted my problem. I loaded Netbeans on my Linux box as well and while the auto-complete works the Javadoc doesn't. When I right click on something and want to show javadoc it says it isn't found. I don't know how to load the javadoc for th= e JDK. Perhaps I'm not understanding how to load a javadoc to the IDE, but I'= m following the help file the best I can. James On 5/3/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote: > > Well, it looks like NetBeans registration is working now. > > Bill > > *James S <jam...@gm...>* wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I'm having probelms installing Netbeans 5.0 on my Mac. I'm running 10.4.5= with the latest Java updates and the SDK. > > I originally got Netbeans working, but it wouldn't see javadoc even when = I > pointed to it and auto complete did not work. I downloaded the source on = a > sugesstion and pointed to it as well. Since that time Netbeans will not > function. I get this error: > > java.lang.NullPointerException > at > org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateSourceLev= el( > J2SEPlatformModule.java:60) > at > org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.access$000( > J2SEPlatformModule.java :31) > at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule$1.run( > J2SEPlatformModule.java:46) > at org.openide.util.Mutex.postRequest(Mutex.java:1113) > at org.openide.util.Mutex.postWriteRequest (Mutex.java:483) > at > org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateBuildProp= erties > (J2SEPlatformModule.java :41) > at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.restored= ( > J2SEPlatformModule.java:36) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.loadCode(NbInstaller.java > :360) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.load(NbInstaller.java:276) > at org.netbeans.ModuleManager.enable(ModuleManager.java :898) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.installNew(ModuleList.java > :377) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.trigger(ModuleList.java:311) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleSystem.restore(ModuleSystem.java > :244) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.getModuleSystem (Main.java:206) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.start(Main.java:377) > at org.netbeans.core.startup.TopThreadGroup.run(TopThreadGroup.java > :90) > [catch] at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:613) > > > I tried to search the issues database but had to register, and the > registration doesn't seem to be working as I have not received my > conformation email. Can you offer any help or steer me in the right > direction? > > Thanks, > > James > > > ------------------------------ > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click her= e<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswers/*http://in.answers.yahoo.com> > > |
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-04 00:53:37
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Well, it looks like NetBeans registration is working now.
Bill
James S <jam...@gm...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
I'm having probelms installing Netbeans 5.0 on my Mac. I'm running 10.4.5 with the latest Java updates and the SDK.
I originally got Netbeans working, but it wouldn't see javadoc even when I pointed to it and auto complete did not work. I downloaded the source on a sugesstion and pointed to it as well. Since that time Netbeans will not function. I get this error:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateSourceLevel (J2SEPlatformModule.java:60)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.access$000(J2SEPlatformModule.java :31)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule$1.run(J2SEPlatformModule.java:46)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postRequest(Mutex.java:1113)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postWriteRequest (Mutex.java:483)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateBuildProperties(J2SEPlatformModule.java :41)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.restored(J2SEPlatformModule.java:36)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.loadCode(NbInstaller.java:360)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.load(NbInstaller.java:276)
at org.netbeans.ModuleManager.enable(ModuleManager.java :898)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.installNew(ModuleList.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.trigger(ModuleList.java:311)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleSystem.restore(ModuleSystem.java:244)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.getModuleSystem (Main.java:206)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.start(Main.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.TopThreadGroup.run(TopThreadGroup.java:90)
[catch] at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:613)
I tried to search the issues database but had to register, and the registration doesn't seem to be working as I have not received my conformation email. Can you offer any help or steer me in the right direction?
Thanks,
James
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-05-03 23:59:15
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James,
The Mac is a wonderful machine and I wish I had one. Unfortunately I can't help expept to try to register myself.
I'll see what I can do. Good hearing from you.
Bill
James S <jam...@gm...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
I'm having probelms installing Netbeans 5.0 on my Mac. I'm running 10.4.5 with the latest Java updates and the SDK.
I originally got Netbeans working, but it wouldn't see javadoc even when I pointed to it and auto complete did not work. I downloaded the source on a sugesstion and pointed to it as well. Since that time Netbeans will not function. I get this error:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateSourceLevel (J2SEPlatformModule.java:60)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.access$000(J2SEPlatformModule.java :31)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule$1.run(J2SEPlatformModule.java:46)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postRequest(Mutex.java:1113)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postWriteRequest (Mutex.java:483)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateBuildProperties(J2SEPlatformModule.java :41)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.restored(J2SEPlatformModule.java:36)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.loadCode(NbInstaller.java:360)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.load(NbInstaller.java:276)
at org.netbeans.ModuleManager.enable(ModuleManager.java :898)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.installNew(ModuleList.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.trigger(ModuleList.java:311)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleSystem.restore(ModuleSystem.java:244)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.getModuleSystem (Main.java:206)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.start(Main.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.TopThreadGroup.run(TopThreadGroup.java:90)
[catch] at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:613)
I tried to search the issues database but had to register, and the registration doesn't seem to be working as I have not received my conformation email. Can you offer any help or steer me in the right direction?
Thanks,
James
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From: James S <jam...@gm...> - 2006-05-03 21:07:04
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Hi Bill,
I'm having probelms installing Netbeans 5.0 on my Mac. I'm running
10.4.5with the latest Java updates and the SDK.
I originally got Netbeans working, but it wouldn't see javadoc even when I
pointed to it and auto complete did not work. I downloaded the source on a
sugesstion and pointed to it as well. Since that time Netbeans will not
function. I get this error:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at
org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateSourceLevel=
(
J2SEPlatformModule.java:60)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.access$000=
(
J2SEPlatformModule.java:31)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule$1.run(
J2SEPlatformModule.java:46)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postRequest(Mutex.java:1113)
at org.openide.util.Mutex.postWriteRequest(Mutex.java:483)
at
org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.updateBuildProper=
ties
(J2SEPlatformModule.java:41)
at org.netbeans.modules.java.j2seplatform.J2SEPlatformModule.restored(
J2SEPlatformModule.java:36)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.loadCode(NbInstaller.java:360)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.NbInstaller.load(NbInstaller.java:276)
at org.netbeans.ModuleManager.enable(ModuleManager.java:898)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.installNew(ModuleList.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleList.trigger(ModuleList.java:311)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.ModuleSystem.restore(ModuleSystem.java:244=
)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.getModuleSystem(Main.java:206)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.Main.start(Main.java:377)
at org.netbeans.core.startup.TopThreadGroup.run(TopThreadGroup.java:90)
[catch] at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:613)
I tried to search the issues database but had to register, and the
registration doesn't seem to be working as I have not received my
conformation email. Can you offer any help or steer me in the right
direction?
Thanks,
James
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From: Bill la F. <laf...@ya...> - 2006-04-30 12:01:14
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Norm, We can and should support multiple document types, especially standard document types. But what do you think of AW3 supporting HTML with expanded WikiWords? That is to say, you enter a wiki document, but using HTML markup. So you would need to put <br> or <p> between paragraphs. :-( But by limiting the extensions to HTML to just WikiWords, we will not be breaking regular HTML documents, at least not too often or too badly. And it does immediately give you a complete markup language. Your thoughts? Is this good/bad/ugly? Can you live with this? Now when we DO create a specialized markup language, it should of course be listext, mm? Bill --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. |
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