I would like to connect with other end-user companies (non developers) to share ideas and resources on Adempiere implementations.
We are using Admepiere now with EDI functionality in our jewelry design and manufacturing company near San Francisco. We have about 14 users in the system and would be happy to share notes and maybe even create a user conference in San Francisco or Las Vegas.
Our business is www.loribonn.com and I can be reach by email or phone below.
Bill Gallagher
President/CEO
Lori Bonn Design, Inc.
510-286-8181 option 0
bill at loribonn dot com
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Welcome to Adempiere project!
Nice to see end user in Adempiere forums.
>I would like to connect with other end-user companies (non developers) to share ideas and resources on Adempiere implementations.
What do you think is appropriate way for end users to communicate and connect with each other?
I would ropose creation of end-users email list or end-users forum.
>We are using Admepiere now with EDI functionality
Nice to know that EDI is working for you. I developed EDI export functionality for Adempiere.
Kind regards,
Trifon
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Bill,
Tell you what (seeing you are serious thru your online postings), why don't we have a specific new forum called "Language Forum - USA" ? queerly because our so called user groups are localised along localisation lines such as all those different countris and based on their national language. Of course US is already our default medium, but heh, nothing can stop it still to be a country.
I will then put up a USA Flag on the community website www.adempiere.org and link to that language user (US) forum. Later perhaps when the carats evolve then we prune, i mean 'polish' here and there.
Thanks alot and sparkling regards!
red1
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Probably you are right. These forums where create as "language"-forums, but maybe they are more "countries"-forums. Then we really need an USA version. But should we rename them? For me it would make sense.
But beside this it makes sense for me to have an international end-user forum/group, too.
Regards
Kai
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I get your point. But every country has it's own specialties with the own unique problem. I guess sooner or later we have to separate the English and Spanish speaking community regarding this - probably not necessarily now. It depends how ADempiere will grow in the next years. And if we get eventually 100 forums, where is the problem - if we could organize them properly. Actually there I see some problems with SourceForge forums.
-Kai
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[-1 vote] for English Language Forum
[-1 vote] for Country Forum
[+1 vote] for End User Forum
Maybe the sf forums are too heavy for end-users, we can enable and use phpbb as friendlier - sourceforge recently added support to phpbb and mediawiki to sf hosted projects.
What I like about sf projects is the e-mail notification, does somebody know if last versions of phpbb support this?
Regards,
Carlos Ruiz
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it has been a while since I set up a phpbb and I am not sure what exactly phpbb supported out of the box. But for this and for many other things (like a thread tree view) there are plugins.
But what does it mean sourceforge supports phpbb? Does it mean sourceforge and phpbb are using the same database or does it mean that there is a gateway between them?
But yes, that would be quite nice, to have a phpbb for the end-user.
[+1 vote] for End User Forum
[+1 vote] to set up phpbb (with tree view) on adempiere.com
Regards,
Kai
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Yes, you are right: to setup and maintain google groups is easy. But I see two problems:
- for me it looks not very professional (sorry).
- what if we need to split this group and create (much) more groups later? I think there we come to the limits of google groups. And could we migrate easily to another group system? Nearly every bb software supports migration from phpbb - if necessary.
Google groups is easier to setup but phpbb offers the better perspective.
[-1 Vote] for google groups.
-Kai
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I think for all of us is better to have just one point of search, and one login ID. In fact one of the problems we have is that somebody wanting to contribute in adempiere normally must open one sourceforge account, and then one wiki account.
Hosting phpbb in sf will work with the same sf account, and the sf is allowing backups for those hosted apps.
Even I think it would be good to migrate mediawiki here - but I don't know which is the limit on database size. And if we'll have the options to administer and add plugins, etc.
Some of the things described there are supported by phpbb (AFAIK, I'm not phpbb expert), like the reasons exposed in: 1 Use forums instead of mailing lists
So, I think we're trying to find friendliness in forums (could be achieved with phpbb) and at the same time trying to maintain coherence and one-single-login (could be achieved hosting phpbb on sourceforge).
And some criticism about google - having phpbb we can have sf backups and in any moment of the time migrate the forums to another site.
I suppose google forums are some sort of lock-in mechanism:
- can we have backups of google forums?
- can we migrate to another own server?
- what if in future google start asking for payment to use google forums (improbable, but who knows)?
I supoprt Carlos opinion.
It is very important to have single entry point and keep information in one place. Having groups in mulitiple places and information spread everywhere is something which only can confuse users.
[-1] external group
[+1] use sf.net infrastructure
Kind regards,
Trifon
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We are an end user company and I think a single forum covering all countries is more appropriate.
If you are going to separate User Group Forums they should be along functional lines as all organisations regardless of country are going to share a lot of the same ideas. There are differences in financials, however there are probably more commonality than differences
[-1 vote] for Language Forum
[+1 vote] for End User Forum
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That's a great initiative. Actually we have no real End-user area. I think the easiest solution would be to create an extra sourceforge forum for it. But I could imagine that this is not the right environment for normal End-users. We live in both worlds: We are a end-user company but we have our own development, that's mainly why we are here. So it's hard for me to judge what would be the right environment. What do you think?
Some words to our business. We are a manufacturer of front panels and specialized on small quantities. We offer a free design software for our customers. We are located in Berlin and have a branch in Seattle.
The more I think about the more I think this is the wrong venue altogether for end-users. The interface, the terminology, and all the rest are not end-user-ish.
I think what might be better is to create a google or yahoo group or some kind of forums for Adempiere end-users and have areas by functional focus: accounting, order processing, sales and crm, analysis, edi, pos, etc.
Just getting a a list and members engaged in conversation would be a step forward.
An end user group could also serve to really promote developer sales of new system projects as it would validate the choice of Adempiere. Selecting Adempiere would have been easier for us if we had found more users with live systems during our review and selection phase. Many of those we spoke to were not actually using the system yet.
I can also see some benefit to users in sharing ideas for solving problems and enhancements that go beyond our work with our developer contractors (or in-house resource). In this case the applied use would be more interesting than the conceptual capability.
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I think we have to ensure that the rest of the community (developers, integrators etc.) takes care for such an end-user group. I guess that there are questions which are pure end-user questions and can be discussed and answered in an end-user group but there are areas where things are crossing over..
That's why I would prefer another forum here but I don't care too much about it as long as the new forum has an email-notification feature to keep me informed.
Regards,
Karsten
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In a way, this is a question of socially-acceptable format. Some prefer just internal group mailings, yahoogroup or facebook. It is really up to the target user group members. Does Bill or anyone managed to obtain contact info or started some closed conversation thread with them.
There is a LinkedIn group called ADempiere also, which Carlos, i and few others are already members, just in case u need that.
Whatever group is formed if i am invited, i am more than willing to be just a normal member in it.
red1
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I would like to connect with other end-user companies (non developers) to share ideas and resources on Adempiere implementations.
We are using Admepiere now with EDI functionality in our jewelry design and manufacturing company near San Francisco. We have about 14 users in the system and would be happy to share notes and maybe even create a user conference in San Francisco or Las Vegas.
Our business is www.loribonn.com and I can be reach by email or phone below.
Bill Gallagher
President/CEO
Lori Bonn Design, Inc.
510-286-8181 option 0
bill at loribonn dot com
Hello Bill Gallagher,
Welcome to Adempiere project!
Nice to see end user in Adempiere forums.
>I would like to connect with other end-user companies (non developers) to share ideas and resources on Adempiere implementations.
What do you think is appropriate way for end users to communicate and connect with each other?
I would ropose creation of end-users email list or end-users forum.
>We are using Admepiere now with EDI functionality
Nice to know that EDI is working for you. I developed EDI export functionality for Adempiere.
Kind regards,
Trifon
Bill,
Tell you what (seeing you are serious thru your online postings), why don't we have a specific new forum called "Language Forum - USA" ? queerly because our so called user groups are localised along localisation lines such as all those different countris and based on their national language. Of course US is already our default medium, but heh, nothing can stop it still to be a country.
I will then put up a USA Flag on the community website www.adempiere.org and link to that language user (US) forum. Later perhaps when the carats evolve then we prune, i mean 'polish' here and there.
Thanks alot and sparkling regards!
red1
Hi Red1,
Probably you are right. These forums where create as "language"-forums, but maybe they are more "countries"-forums. Then we really need an USA version. But should we rename them? For me it would make sense.
But beside this it makes sense for me to have an international end-user forum/group, too.
Regards
Kai
Good idea Kai.. so for a start we just create country specific ones and see if the others want to also.
Add Forum: Country - USA
[+1 vote]
We will end up with how many forums? 20, 30, 100? ES_ Mexico, ES_Colombia, ES_Venezuela, ES_Ecuador, ES_Argentina, etc..
Add Forum: Country - USA
[-1 vote]
Regards!
Hi moyses,
I get your point. But every country has it's own specialties with the own unique problem. I guess sooner or later we have to separate the English and Spanish speaking community regarding this - probably not necessarily now. It depends how ADempiere will grow in the next years. And if we get eventually 100 forums, where is the problem - if we could organize them properly. Actually there I see some problems with SourceForge forums.
-Kai
Hi,
[-1 vote] for English Language Forum
[-1 vote] for Country Forum
[+1 vote] for End User Forum
Maybe the sf forums are too heavy for end-users, we can enable and use phpbb as friendlier - sourceforge recently added support to phpbb and mediawiki to sf hosted projects.
What I like about sf projects is the e-mail notification, does somebody know if last versions of phpbb support this?
Regards,
Carlos Ruiz
Hi Carlos,
it has been a while since I set up a phpbb and I am not sure what exactly phpbb supported out of the box. But for this and for many other things (like a thread tree view) there are plugins.
But what does it mean sourceforge supports phpbb? Does it mean sourceforge and phpbb are using the same database or does it mean that there is a gateway between them?
But yes, that would be quite nice, to have a phpbb for the end-user.
[+1 vote] for End User Forum
[+1 vote] to set up phpbb (with tree view) on adempiere.com
Regards,
Kai
Hi all,
I would prefer to add this on google groups because is much more easy to setup, maintain, use, email notifications etc.
What do you think ?
Best regards,
Teo Sarca - www.arhipac.ro
For me google.groups is ok.
Regards,
Karsten
+1 for google group.
Regards,
Low
PS I Hate SF forum :)
Hi Teo,
Yes, you are right: to setup and maintain google groups is easy. But I see two problems:
- for me it looks not very professional (sorry).
- what if we need to split this group and create (much) more groups later? I think there we come to the limits of google groups. And could we migrate easily to another group system? Nearly every bb software supports migration from phpbb - if necessary.
Google groups is easier to setup but phpbb offers the better perspective.
[-1 Vote] for google groups.
-Kai
Hi Kai, sourceforge is adding support for some apps, currently LimeSurvey (which Trifon already enabled and used in a test), phpbb and mediawiki.
http://alexandria.wiki.sourceforge.net/Hosted%20App
I think for all of us is better to have just one point of search, and one login ID. In fact one of the problems we have is that somebody wanting to contribute in adempiere normally must open one sourceforge account, and then one wiki account.
Hosting phpbb in sf will work with the same sf account, and the sf is allowing backups for those hosted apps.
Even I think it would be good to migrate mediawiki here - but I don't know which is the limit on database size. And if we'll have the options to administer and add plugins, etc.
----------------------
About friendliness of forums, I really didn't understand that, but this article showed me a different POV:
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ten_easy_ways_attract_women_your_free_software_project
Some of the things described there are supported by phpbb (AFAIK, I'm not phpbb expert), like the reasons exposed in: 1 Use forums instead of mailing lists
So, I think we're trying to find friendliness in forums (could be achieved with phpbb) and at the same time trying to maintain coherence and one-single-login (could be achieved hosting phpbb on sourceforge).
And some criticism about google - having phpbb we can have sf backups and in any moment of the time migrate the forums to another site.
I suppose google forums are some sort of lock-in mechanism:
- can we have backups of google forums?
- can we migrate to another own server?
- what if in future google start asking for payment to use google forums (improbable, but who knows)?
Look for example at this google criticism:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman
Regards,
Carlos Ruiz
Hi,
I supoprt Carlos opinion.
It is very important to have single entry point and keep information in one place. Having groups in mulitiple places and information spread everywhere is something which only can confuse users.
[-1] external group
[+1] use sf.net infrastructure
Kind regards,
Trifon
Hi,
[+1] use sf.net infrastructure
Regards,
Raouf
Hi End Users - I just enabled the phpbb bulletin board for adempiere.
You can subscribe here:
http://apps.sourceforge.net/phpbb/adempiere/
Please suggest which forums and subforums you want to be created.
Please also suggest if you want this to be moderated or unmoderated.
And if somebody wants to help with administration please ask here for permissions and role that wants to perform.
Regards,
Carlos Ruiz
Hi Carlos,
Please we would like to have Indonesia forum for our local community.
Thank you.
Armen
We are an end user company and I think a single forum covering all countries is more appropriate.
If you are going to separate User Group Forums they should be along functional lines as all organisations regardless of country are going to share a lot of the same ideas. There are differences in financials, however there are probably more commonality than differences
[-1 vote] for Language Forum
[+1 vote] for End User Forum
Hello Bill,
That's a great initiative. Actually we have no real End-user area. I think the easiest solution would be to create an extra sourceforge forum for it. But I could imagine that this is not the right environment for normal End-users. We live in both worlds: We are a end-user company but we have our own development, that's mainly why we are here. So it's hard for me to judge what would be the right environment. What do you think?
Some words to our business. We are a manufacturer of front panels and specialized on small quantities. We offer a free design software for our customers. We are located in Berlin and have a branch in Seattle.
Webpage:
http://www.schaeffer-ag.de/ (German company)
http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/ (US company)
Best regards,
Kai
The more I think about the more I think this is the wrong venue altogether for end-users. The interface, the terminology, and all the rest are not end-user-ish.
I think what might be better is to create a google or yahoo group or some kind of forums for Adempiere end-users and have areas by functional focus: accounting, order processing, sales and crm, analysis, edi, pos, etc.
Just getting a a list and members engaged in conversation would be a step forward.
An end user group could also serve to really promote developer sales of new system projects as it would validate the choice of Adempiere. Selecting Adempiere would have been easier for us if we had found more users with live systems during our review and selection phase. Many of those we spoke to were not actually using the system yet.
I can also see some benefit to users in sharing ideas for solving problems and enhancements that go beyond our work with our developer contractors (or in-house resource). In this case the applied use would be more interesting than the conceptual capability.
Hi,
I think we have to ensure that the rest of the community (developers, integrators etc.) takes care for such an end-user group. I guess that there are questions which are pure end-user questions and can be discussed and answered in an end-user group but there are areas where things are crossing over..
That's why I would prefer another forum here but I don't care too much about it as long as the new forum has an email-notification feature to keep me informed.
Regards,
Karsten
In a way, this is a question of socially-acceptable format. Some prefer just internal group mailings, yahoogroup or facebook. It is really up to the target user group members. Does Bill or anyone managed to obtain contact info or started some closed conversation thread with them.
There is a LinkedIn group called ADempiere also, which Carlos, i and few others are already members, just in case u need that.
Whatever group is formed if i am invited, i am more than willing to be just a normal member in it.
red1
[-1] external group
[+1] use sf.net infrastructure
Regards,
Dominik
[-1] external group
[+1] use sf.net infrastructure with phpbb
Best Regards!