From: Ian B. <ia...@co...> - 2004-03-29 17:50:13
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Eric Radman wrote: > "Cold Fusion" is an example of a great name--it's a word picture that's unique. > The word "Zope" also carries a very clear identity that "WebWare for Python" > does not. Well, there's one thing I think several of us agree on about the name: "Webware" **not** "WebWare". With-constant-vigilence-against-mixed-case'ly y'rs, Ian |
From: Jason H. <ja...@pe...> - 2004-03-30 04:31:59
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On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:49, Ian Bicking wrote: > With-constant-vigilence-against-mixed-case'ly y'rs, > Ian Been spending much time with Tim Peters? :) -- Jason D. Hildebrand ja...@pe... |
From: Todd G. <to...@sl...> - 2004-03-30 15:30:15
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* Ian Bicking <ia...@co...> [2004-03-29 17:07]: > > We don't have any corporate backing or much of that appeal, but we can > still appeal to management types that have an appreciation for open > source software and the environment that entails. That's my evaluation > of Webware's appeal strictly on a technical level. > > In that light, Webware needs not to show that it is corporate, but that > it is alive and actively supported. And even if there's not a huge > amount of active development of the Webware core, it *is* consistently > supported by the community on this list. And an enlightened manager > *will* still be concerned about the viability of the project. OK, well I agree more with Adam Shimali's longer recent post, in that it is a quality collection of software and should aim higher than a small group that wanders by, but that's actually secondary for now. *** I think everyone agrees the #1 need is an updated site - that line at the top: "Last updated August 1, 2003" kind of makes all this discussion near-irrelevant. *** I know everyone's super-busy, but maybe some of the more seasoned Webware users could prune some of the Wiki, or make a new page on there pointing out what docs are still valid/applicable, or close to it with some modifications? Like: url1: this tutorial is accurate but the session info is old url2: this transaction desc needs updating from .6 to .8 etc... I've found many are frozen in different points in time and it's often hard as a newcomer to figure out which docs are currently applicable. This would hopefully enable others to help organize content for an updated site(?) Or if someone already has an attack plan for updating content, seems like a good time to announce it! -- ___________________________ toddgrimason*to...@sl... |
From: Aaron S. <aa...@ne...> - 2004-03-30 15:47:45
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Over the next few weeks I actually have to write developer docs for a set of applications that I have built on top of Webware. I will, of coarse, have to cover how Webware itself works and how one goes about developing with it. During this process I will undoubtably go through the majority of existing Webware documentation and pair it down to something pretty focused. Once I have finished the documentation I will make the Webware specific stuff available to the community and would be interested in using it as a base for re-orginization of the docs. I'll mention it again when I actually have something to show. - Aaron Switzer On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 10:30, Todd Grimason wrote: > * Ian Bicking <ia...@co...> [2004-03-29 17:07]: > > > > We don't have any corporate backing or much of that appeal, but we can > > still appeal to management types that have an appreciation for open > > source software and the environment that entails. That's my evaluation > > of Webware's appeal strictly on a technical level. > > > > In that light, Webware needs not to show that it is corporate, but that > > it is alive and actively supported. And even if there's not a huge > > amount of active development of the Webware core, it *is* consistently > > supported by the community on this list. And an enlightened manager > > *will* still be concerned about the viability of the project. > > OK, well I agree more with Adam Shimali's longer recent post, in that > it is a quality collection of software and should aim higher than a > small group that wanders by, but that's actually secondary for now. > > *** > I think everyone agrees the #1 need is an updated site - that line at > the top: "Last updated August 1, 2003" kind of makes all this > discussion near-irrelevant. > *** > > I know everyone's super-busy, but maybe some of the more seasoned > Webware users could prune some of the Wiki, or make a new page on > there pointing out what docs are still valid/applicable, or close to > it with some modifications? Like: > > url1: this tutorial is accurate but the session info is old > url2: this transaction desc needs updating from .6 to .8 > etc... > > I've found many are frozen in different points in time and it's often > hard as a newcomer to figure out which docs are currently > applicable. This would hopefully enable others to help organize > content for an updated site(?) > > Or if someone already has an attack plan for updating content, seems > like a good time to announce it! -- Aaron Switzer aa...@ne... 416-350-8376 ext. 235 |
From: Ian B. <ia...@co...> - 2004-03-27 19:37:56
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On Mar 26, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Ben Parker wrote: > e.g.: > If Webware were a feeling, what would it be? > If Webware were one idea, what would it be? > How would you summarize Webware in less than 5 words? Well, lately when I've been describing Webware to other Python programmers I often describe it as open pastures -- it doesn't provide much (compared to Zope), but it gives you a lot of freedom. At least, that's what it is coming from Zope. Coming from another Python framework or another language it's going to be something very different. -- Ian Bicking | ia...@co... | http://blog.ianbicking.org |
From: Lothar S. <ll...@we...> - 2004-03-26 19:21:02
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Hello Jason, Friday, March 26, 2004, 7:47:03 PM, you wrote: JH> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 11:41, Frank Barknecht wrote: >> This would be really great. I would like to extent this effort to >> include the "dogbowl" effect: The next Webware site IMO should be run >> by Webware. I know this is next to impossible to do on the >> Sourceforge >> servers, so maybe some external hosting of the pages would be needed. JH> Yes, that would be great. Eric Radman has offered to provide space for a JH> server, but I don't know if we'll be able to come up with a server. JH> Can anyone provide space on an existing server which is Webware-friendly? I would really suggest a virtual server. An own piece of hardware is i think not a good choice as long as we don't get the popularity of apache. If something happens to the hardware, how many days will it take to find someone responsible for changing the hardware ? -- Best regards, Lothar mailto:ll...@we... |
From: Jason H. <ja...@pe...> - 2004-03-26 19:57:56
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On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 13:20, Lothar Scholz wrote: > I would really suggest a virtual server. An own piece of hardware is > i > think not a good choice as long as we don't get the popularity of > apache. If something happens to the hardware, how many days will it > take to find someone responsible for changing the hardware ? Good point. This would be my preference, too. -- Jason D. Hildebrand ja...@pe... |
From: jose <jo...@cy...> - 2004-03-26 20:32:36
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Well if the group at large thinks that webware should invest in its own server then isn't it time us users put our money where our mouth is? I would certainly be happy to donate $10 bucks to the cause now if only 30 other folks would feel the same way we could get something. Source forge now has this program where people can donate money to a project maybe that should be added to the SF site. Jose -----Original Message----- From: web...@li... [mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of Jason Hildebrand Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:56 AM To: Lothar Scholz Cc: webware-discuss Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Webware-discuss] improving Webware visibility On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 13:20, Lothar Scholz wrote: > I would really suggest a virtual server. An own piece of hardware is i > think not a good choice as long as we don't get the popularity of > apache. If something happens to the hardware, how many days will it > take to find someone responsible for changing the hardware ? Good point. This would be my preference, too. -- Jason D. Hildebrand ja...@pe... ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _______________________________________________ Webware-discuss mailing list Web...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss |
From: Jason H. <ja...@pe...> - 2004-03-26 20:50:09
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On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 14:32, jose wrote: > Well if the group at large thinks that webware should invest in its > own > server then isn't it time us users put our money where our mouth is? > I > would certainly be happy to donate $10 bucks to the cause now if only > 30 > other folks would feel the same way we could get something. Source > forge now has this program where people can donate money to a project > maybe that should be added to the SF site. Let's wait and see if someone can offer hosting for free. If not we can pursue other options. BTW - I'm keeping my eye on "webware.org"; it expires in 6 days. peace, Jason |
From: Aaron S. <aa...@ne...> - 2004-03-26 21:04:39
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I might be convinced to host the Webware site on my dedicated box. It's one that I have leased through EV1 for almost 2 years now. I have been using Webware for work projects but I am planning to start using it for personal ones too, so I will probably be installing Webware on the box soon anyway. Jason, or anyone else, if you're willing to put in the work to get things orginized then I think I can part with some system resources for the good of the group. Drop me a line (asw...@is...), or find me on IRC if you want to discuss it further. - Aaron Switzer On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 15:47, Jason Hildebrand wrote: > On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 14:32, jose wrote: > > Well if the group at large thinks that webware should invest in its > > own > > server then isn't it time us users put our money where our mouth is? > > I > > would certainly be happy to donate $10 bucks to the cause now if only > > 30 > > other folks would feel the same way we could get something. Source > > forge now has this program where people can donate money to a project > > maybe that should be added to the SF site. > > Let's wait and see if someone can offer hosting for free. If not we can > pursue other options. BTW - I'm keeping my eye on "webware.org"; it expires > in 6 days. > > peace, > Jason > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Webware-discuss mailing list > Web...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss -- Aaron Switzer aa...@ne... 416-350-8376 ext. 235 |
From: Lothar S. <ll...@we...> - 2004-03-27 00:11:58
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Hello Aaron, Friday, March 26, 2004, 10:05:11 PM, you wrote: AS> I might be convinced to host the Webware site on my dedicated box. It's AS> one that I have leased through EV1 for almost 2 years now. I have been AS> using Webware for work projects but I am planning to start using it for AS> personal ones too, so I will probably be installing Webware on the box AS> soon anyway. I tried EV1 - when they called themself Rackshack. At least at this time the transfer rate out of the USA was terrible slow for a server. Getting 15 KB (instead of 90KB from sourceforge) via DSL from Berlin/Germany. -- Best regards, Lothar mailto:ll...@we... |
From: Eduardo E. <eel...@na...> - 2004-03-26 20:59:24
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Count me in: Maybe someone can put up a paypal-donate page (I'm in Chile= ) <cita quien=3D"jose"> > Well if the group at large thinks that webware should invest in its ow= n > server then isn't it time us users put our money where our mouth is? = I > would certainly be happy to donate $10 bucks to the cause now if only = 30 > other folks would feel the same way we could get something. Source > forge now has this program where people can donate money to a project > maybe that should be added to the SF site. > > Jose > > -----Original Message----- > From: web...@li... > [mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of Jaso= n > Hildebrand > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:56 AM > To: Lothar Scholz > Cc: webware-discuss > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Webware-discuss] improving Webware visibility > > > On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 13:20, Lothar Scholz wrote: > >> I would really suggest a virtual server. An own piece of hardware is = i >> think not a good choice as long as we don't get the popularity of >> apache. If something happens to the hardware, how many days will it >> take to find someone responsible for changing the hardware ? > > Good point. This would be my preference, too. > > -- > Jason D. Hildebrand > ja...@pe... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3D= click > _______________________________________________ > Webware-discuss mailing list Web...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3D= click > _______________________________________________ > Webware-discuss mailing list > Web...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss > -- Eduardo Elgueta Senior Consultant Navix correo/email: eel...@na... tel=E9fono/phone: +56 (2) 209-8905 celular/mobile: +56 (9) 821-0033 web: www.navix.cl Av. Pedro de Valdivia 555 Of. 216 Providencia 750-0913 Santiago, Chile |
From: Scott R. <sc...@to...> - 2004-03-26 23:19:33
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On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 15:32, jose wrote: > Well if the group at large thinks that webware should invest in its own > server then isn't it time us users put our money where our mouth is? I > would certainly be happy to donate $10 bucks to the cause now if only 30 > other folks would feel the same way we could get something. Source > forge now has this program where people can donate money to a project > maybe that should be added to the SF site. I wholeheartedly agree. Jose should pay 10 bucks. :) |
From: Nick M. <ni...@go...> - 2004-03-27 10:15:04
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Lothar Scholz wrote: > I tried EV1 - when they called themself Rackshack. At least at this > time the transfer rate out of the USA was terrible slow for a server. > Getting 15 KB (instead of 90KB from sourceforge) via DSL from > Berlin/Germany. Is this the same EV1 that bought a SCO license? |
From: Scott R. <sc...@to...> - 2004-03-27 11:15:51
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> Is this the same EV1 that bought a SCO license? Yes. |