From: <web...@co...> - 2008-11-25 22:17:15
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David Brown wrote .. > Hello, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the deny users updates the > SPAMASSASSIN list. If you don't have SPAMASSISSIN installed and configured then > deny sender will not work. spamassassin is installed and working with webmin as root or admins. Users don't have access to webmin. The error below as in Usermin. Far as I can tell spamassassin is configured, at least for Webin. It may not be confured to work with Usermin. >I have run a SMTPd (email server) for about 8 years > against webmin and usermin. My gut feeling is your issues are not with usermin > but your SMTPd (qmail, postfix, exim, etc.). If you users do not represent real > domain names resolvable via DNS then you might want to use the Virtual Domains > feature is available under your SMTPd on Webmin. I can reply with a very serious > SPAM solution if interested. HTH, David. Webmin is the only interface I have used to setup the server and create address. It was all installed by apt-get from virtualmin server. So it should be set right but obviously not. Thus my quest to get to the root, fix it, and in the process see if my problems are really unique. Webmin templates have an option to chose the username of each user or email that you create. current formats are username.domain webminlist.computer (actually uses the usermame of domain not the full domain name as the username@domain dose) domain.username username-domain domain-username username_domain domain_username usernames@domain web...@co... All accounts were created with webmin. some with the template for the domain set for username.domain some with username@domain. I want an easy way for my clients to create email accounts and for users to use them. Which is why I was wanting Webmin to deal with site owner task and have the username.domain so the address of the user and the username was the same. Blocking email address is not the best as my old fo...@fo... is an address used by spammers to send messages from. When you look at the headers you can see that it never came from my system at all but deny only look at the from address not the from server. If you can guide me to a working mail server and help me understand what is happening I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for the response. Shanta Ps I am sending this in Webmin as Usermin will not send mail yet. > web...@co... wrote .. > > Hi > > > > I am still having problems with Usermin and mail. > > > > Just tried to send this message via usermin but it failed with the fallowing. > > > > Failed to open /home/computersystemconsulting/homes/webminlist/.tmp/upload.122763312613513 > > for writing : Bad file descriptor > > > > So there is still more wrong with usermin than the below would suggest. > > This was sent with webmin > > > > My login problems were based around username.domain and usermin@domain. > > > > Using only Usermin.domain format I have been able to get logged into all accounts. > > Not what I wanted for my users but it works. > > > > The continuing problem is with spam. The deny senders works for adding address > > to the users denyed list. Not sure if they are used or not but that is another > > question. > > > > When you attempt to delete spam you get a message say basically 1 message examined > > 0 added see error for why it failed. The message(s) are deleted. I dose not mater > > if you click one or more links the same message is given. > > > > Any ideas on how to fix this? > > > > Thanks Shanta > Yet some, not wise, go to the other side of the globe, to barbarous and unhealthy > regions, and devote ten or twenty years, in that they may live,-that is, keep comfortably > warm,- and die in New England at last. > > Henry David Thoreau - Walden - 1845 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list |
From: <web...@co...> - 2008-11-26 17:34:23
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Hi David Thanks for the informative reply. I have made comments inline and cut out what is not needed for response David Brown wrote .. > Hello Shanta, to help simplify things let me establish some definitions: webmin > and usermin do not do anything different to or for your Unix or Linux server hosting > your SMPTd also+known+as: MTA (mail transport agent) that you could not do manually > at a Unix or Linux command-line terminal or window. I have found that you can do more, at times, at the command-line but you had better know what you are doing. In some areas I do others well well the fields and bees need work too. I used c-panel for years with my servers for several years. Switched to Webmin when I started hosting myself. I also have one server with ISPconfig (to fix my mail server which it did) which is more like cpannel than Webmin. I much prefer Webmin as it is vastly more developed. In the past 6 months or so I have switched from the Debian release of Webmin/Virtualmin to Virtualadmins to fix the problems that I was heaving with mail. Mail still did not work could not send mail from pop3. Had to use the local sendmail. After the switch of repositories I began getting sudoexe errors in Webmail and my /home cgi stopped working. I moved the cgi and mysql to the ISPconfig server as a temp work around. I tried to fix the problems but as mail still did not work right and now the sudoexe problems I bit the bullet. Backed up all my sites with webmin, Reset the virtual server and reinstalled everything. Installed the backups. Only fixed the sudoex problem mail still is out of whack and usermin stopped working. >I have 20+ years working in Most items available to Webmin are available > in Usermin if the root webmin user allows this option. You need to become much > more adept at Webmin. There are some very good books on the market and the online > doco is also very good: http://doxfer.com/Webmin/Modules. Webmin is only a configuration > and management software guise. Webmin should not be confused with the software > and services deployed on your servers. This being said here are some of the things > you should begin working on once you have done some more study: I will check it out as there are lots things I don't know about the interface and a good resource is invaluable. > Webmin allows for categories of webmin users. For example: I have a category named: > wmadmin that I assign to new users when I want the new user to have near full root > admin rights on the target machine. The only users I have created outside of mail accounts are those that Webmin created when creating the site. > Any module that you configure in Webmin has an option to allow the module to be > made available in Usermin. I have seen this in Usermin and I have turned off a lot as I whated it to be real simple for mail users. Mail spamassasin etc I left turned on. > Qmail: in the world of the large email houses: yahoo, google, hotmail (and many > more) all use Qmail as it is the most secure and the most robust. For a much more > detailed treatise of QMail just google: Dan Bernstein or bernstein+qmail. Had this on a passed server but I was just an end user not the admin so learned nothing other than its a bear to setup but works. > Postfix: http://www.postfix.org is what I use. This SMPTd authored by Wietse Venema > as a Sendmail drop-in replacement has run on my machines the past 8 or 9 years. > This MTA is easy to maintain under Webmin. this is the one I use on my server. When I attempted use usermin it failed saying there was no imap installed Posfix did not seem to have it so Dovecot was installed > Sendmail: the original Unix/BSD MTA (maybe 30 years old or older). If you can configure > Sendmail then you have a lot more determination than I. Not used this one ever as postfix supplies it. > Exchange: the Microsoft solution used by a great many American companies. As with > many Microsoft products it is not recommended for public consumption as the security > is not good. Also, this product is very expensive and in-all-likelihood Exchange > does not run on any type of Linux or Unix box (2003/2008 servers only). Had this one at a university when I was the online support tech for WebCT I had the only UNIX server in the system, Solaris, running it (it was NEVER down. OOPs it was once when I did a OS upgrade) . As Exchange was always down I had to use my own address on a linux server to provide mail coverage for the support site I created for WebCT. That was a few years back now but knowing Msoft it has not likely changed much. > Anti-SPAM measures: as mentioned I use the MTA/SMTPd know as Postfix. As part of > my anti-SPAM measures I use a combination of email header and body analysis coupled > with plain old DNSBL (Domain Name Service Black List) to eliminate SPAM. The SPAMASSASSIN > you are currently using does the email header and email body analaysis to eliminate > the SPAM. For most situations this could or should be enough. This decision is > up to you how much SPAM is allowed on your systems. No single solution exists to > eliminate 100% of all SPAM. I have come very close to 100% no SPAM. I get 100+ aday (that get through) for an email address that I have had for more than 15 years fo...@fo.... It is only around because Webmin created it as the owner of forager.com and it is a good indicator as to the effectiveness of my spam system. > Once you understand which SMPTd you are using under Webmin you should be able to > add DNSBLs easily to the MTA configuration via webmin. the DNSBLs that I use are: > dsn.rfc-ignorant.org, bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, pbl.spamhaus.org, list.dsbl.org, > dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.webitplanet.com > > The last DNSBL listed above is my personal blacklist. Under Webmin I have my own > DNS server configured and working quite well bouncing SPAM. There are many more > DNSBLs running publicly on the net then what I have listed here. I seen the setting for this but did not know were they were or how to use it. With this list I will be able to get DNBSL working to take advantage of other peoples work. > I quit using SPAMASSASSIN because SPAMASSASSIN requires the use of a MDA (mail > delivery agent) see: http://www.feep.net/sendmail/tutorial/intro/MUA-MTA-MDA.html. > I have always had some issues with the MDA. Usually the MDA on a Linux box is Procmail. > Instead I have opted for the following: http://www.malware.com.br/. I use a cron > script with the previous URL in place of SPAMASSASSIN. This script is much easier > to install and maintain over SPAMASSASSIN. I will check this out as well. Easy to intall and maintain especialy maintain is what I want. > Once you have done a lot more study of the subject pointed to above anyone on this > list will be happy to answer tech specific question about installs and configurations > you will need to solve you problems with your email. Thanks again for pointing out the resources to read. I gave some background at the beginning to show you were I am at with this server and how I go to the point. Shanta |
From: <web...@co...> - 2008-11-28 01:44:25
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> Once you understand which SMPTd you are using under Webmin you should be able to > add DNSBLs easily to the MTA configuration via webmin. the DNSBLs that I use are: > dsn.rfc-ignorant.org, bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, pbl.spamhaus.org, list.dsbl.org, > dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.webitplanet.com > The last DNSBL listed above is my personal blacklist. Under Webmin I have my own > DNS server configured and working quite well bouncing SPAM. There are many more > DNSBLs running publicly on the net then what I have listed here. Were are these setup I can't find it in the modules for postfix, procmail or spamassin? > I quit using SPAMASSASSIN because SPAMASSASSIN requires the use of a MDA (mail > delivery agent) see: http://www.feep.net/sendmail/tutorial/intro/MUA-MTA-MDA.html. > I have always had some issues with the MDA. Usually the MDA on a Linux box is Procmail. > Instead I have opted for the following: http://www.malware.com.br/. I use a cron > script with the previous URL in place of SPAMASSASSIN. This script is much easier > to install and maintain over SPAMASSASSIN. Looked into the site and it looks interesting. It sounds like you send the spam to and email address. There are no instructions on the site though it provides spamassassin and Postfix files. I would assume that these are the crons that you setup to replace them every so often Greater than 2 hours they say. How do I do that? Thanks Shanta |
From: Shanta M. <web...@co...> - 2008-11-28 22:30:18
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It seems that I may have gotten to the root of part of the with usermin. It appears to lie in the restore error. webminlist for example was recreated with another sites rights. computersystemconsulting.ca was restored with two directories. computer and computersystemconsulting. some parts under one some under the other Web is under computer and I symlicked it to computersystemconsulting were apache looks for it computer did not have a homes which I simliked to computersystemconsulting/homes webmin thinks that computer owns the site. computersystemconsulting was the directory on the old server which I restored from beemast and beemaster has the same problem. These are the only restored sites that have the dual directory problem. They all so are the only ones with the mismatched owners. In computersystemconsulting the many fields were doubled as well. Eg. /home/sitename/homes/all users and /homes/home/all users. The first home is were mail is looking and it is owned by beemast /home/sitename/home/home/ owned by computer. Also /home/shanta has a shanta under it with all the directories I changed the owner of each of the users directories to the username@domain username and it now seems to log in and send mail. So How do I get back to single directories? And admin usernames? can I delete the errant second directories? Shanta |
From: Shanta M. <web...@co...> - 2008-11-29 22:10:27
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In the ongoing quest to fix my mail problems with Usermin. I deleted a restored account and recreated it. It appears to be working as it should. Main is filtered to new directories. showing up in usermins left page as name no longer .name It is on the server under /Mdir/.name dos not show in filter as that though as it did in the restored version. Which showed in the move to directory as /Maildir/name now it just shows as name. Pop3 is now working for sending mail for all accounts tested restored or newly created. Deleting spam is working for newly created accounts with the username.domain setting. Not tested to see if username@domain works yet. Looks as though I should just delete my problem domains and recreated them. Will not find out what caused the restore failure doing so but will get me on to programing my sites and not fixing server problems. It would be nice to know why the restore function made such errors such as two home directories. Website etc under the old servername etc. Thanks Shanta |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ap...> - 2008-11-29 23:35:26
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Shanta, Your story sounds very much like what we each experience starting out running our own servers. Early on I had an unrealistic expectation that the mailing lists are here for my benefit, no matter how much anyone else on the list might benefit from the thread. Please understand that this is not a paid support list and you are asking too much of it. Having said that... If it is imperative that you have a stable working system then I suggest you wipe the hard drive and reinstall a Debian base system. Then use Jamie's excellent install script available on his site. I cannot stress enough how good Jamie's install script is. I had nothing but trouble until I used it. This will get you to a known good system that the list will be able to help you further with. You will be amazed at how things simply fall into place and are easier to learn. If you break something later it will be easier to diagnose and repair. This will show you an operational system and you can compare it to your current one and understand the differences. I wish you well, but each of your replies do not have enough info, or clarity, for anyone to be able to help you further. It is not my intention to brush you off, but to encourage you to use the install script to your advantage. I do not intend this to be a "Thread of conversation", it is my opinion and offered as a statement only. Sincerely, Richard Shanta McBain wrote: > In the ongoing quest to fix my mail problems with Usermin. > > I deleted a restored account and recreated it. > > It appears to be working as it should. > > Main is filtered to new directories. showing up in usermins left page as > name no longer .name It is on the server under /Mdir/.name dos not show > in filter as that though as it did in the restored version. Which showed > in the move to directory as /Maildir/name now it just shows as name. > > Pop3 is now working for sending mail for all accounts tested restored or > newly created. > > Deleting spam is working for newly created accounts with the > username.domain setting. Not tested to see if username@domain works yet. > > Looks as though I should just delete my problem domains and recreated > them. Will not find out what caused the restore failure doing so but > will get me on to programing my sites and not fixing server problems. > > It would be nice to know why the restore function made such errors such > as two home directories. Website etc under the old servername etc. > > Thanks > Shanta > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > > |
From: Shanta M. <web...@co...> - 2008-11-30 01:04:10
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Richard Shebora wrote: > Shanta, > > Your story sounds very much like what we each experience starting out > running our own servers. Early on I had an unrealistic expectation that > the mailing lists are here for my benefit, no matter how much anyone > else on the list might benefit from the thread. Please understand that > this is not a paid support list and you are asking too much of it. > > Having said that... > > If it is imperative that you have a stable working system then I suggest > you wipe the hard drive and reinstall a Debian base system. Then use > Jamie's excellent install script available on his site. I cannot stress > enough how good Jamie's install script is. I had nothing but trouble > until I used it. > > This will get you to a known good system that the list will be able to > help you further with. You will be amazed at how things simply fall > into place and are easier to learn. If you break something later it > will be easier to diagnose and repair. This will show you an > operational system and you can compare it to your current one and > understand the differences. > > I wish you well, but each of your replies do not have enough info, or > clarity, for anyone to be able to help you further. It is not my > intention to brush you off, but to encourage you to use the install > script to your advantage. > > I do not intend this to be a "Thread of conversation", > it is my opinion and offered as a statement only. > > Sincerely, > Hi Richard As a mater of fact I used the install script on a clean server after many attempts to get the system working from apt-get (the preferred way of installing and configuring software on Debian based systems) alone from the Virtualadmin repository. The script dose use apt-get on Debian systems from what Jamie told me as well as other system checks. It took to tries to get it going but it did eventually work. I see now that the problems were created by attempting to restore my sites with backed ups from the old server. To do over I would not use backup and restore. But create all the sites again with the new installation. Old server that the backups came from was a Debian repository apt-get install of Webmin with Virtualadmin installed via a downloaded deb from Virtualadmin. All as part of migration from a Debian install of Webmin to a Virtualadmin install. The overall install is fine with some minor problems. All the problems are around Usermin seeing things differently than Webmin as far as mail is concerned. Don't know how I could have installed things differently. It now is maintained via Virtualadmins internal system. As for expectations from list I have gotten and given more on other list. Through solving my problems with Webmin/Virtualadmin I will be able to give more in the future to the list. As for paid support I have worked on both List and HelpDesk and the process is vary similar in the end. Fix the users problem by teaching them how to use the system they have chosen to use. The only addition to paid support is going into the server and doing it for them. The drawback to paid is only the user getting support gets the education. So far I have not actually gotten much actual help on debugging the problems with Usermin. Just some vary good links to resources that will prove to be valuable in my overall server admin but not in solving a restore problem. And lots of talk about support list and their use or non use. Thanks Shanta |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ap...> - 2008-11-30 01:54:26
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I am very sorry. I spoke out of turn. Please accept my apologies. I will not bother you again. God Bless, Richard Shanta McBain wrote: > Richard Shebora wrote: > >> Shanta, >> >> Your story sounds very much like what we each experience starting out >> running our own servers. Early on I had an unrealistic expectation that >> the mailing lists are here for my benefit, no matter how much anyone >> else on the list might benefit from the thread. Please understand that >> this is not a paid support list and you are asking too much of it. >> >> Having said that... >> >> If it is imperative that you have a stable working system then I suggest >> you wipe the hard drive and reinstall a Debian base system. Then use >> Jamie's excellent install script available on his site. I cannot stress >> enough how good Jamie's install script is. I had nothing but trouble >> until I used it. >> >> This will get you to a known good system that the list will be able to >> help you further with. You will be amazed at how things simply fall >> into place and are easier to learn. If you break something later it >> will be easier to diagnose and repair. This will show you an >> operational system and you can compare it to your current one and >> understand the differences. >> >> I wish you well, but each of your replies do not have enough info, or >> clarity, for anyone to be able to help you further. It is not my >> intention to brush you off, but to encourage you to use the install >> script to your advantage. >> >> I do not intend this to be a "Thread of conversation", >> it is my opinion and offered as a statement only. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> > Hi Richard > > As a mater of fact I used the install script on a clean server after > many attempts to get the system working from apt-get (the preferred way > of installing and configuring software on Debian based systems) alone > from the Virtualadmin repository. The script dose use apt-get on Debian > systems from what Jamie told me as well as other system checks. It took > to tries to get it going but it did eventually work. > > I see now that the problems were created by attempting to restore my > sites with backed ups from the old server. To do over I would not use > backup and restore. But create all the sites again with the new > installation. Old server that the backups came from was a Debian > repository apt-get install of Webmin with Virtualadmin installed via a > downloaded deb from Virtualadmin. > > All as part of migration from a Debian install of Webmin to a > Virtualadmin install. The overall install is fine with some minor > problems. All the problems are around Usermin seeing things differently > than Webmin as far as mail is concerned. > > Don't know how I could have installed things differently. It now is > maintained via Virtualadmins internal system. > > As for expectations from list I have gotten and given more on other > list. Through solving my problems with Webmin/Virtualadmin I will be > able to give more in the future to the list. As for paid support I have > worked on both List and HelpDesk and the process is vary similar in the > end. Fix the users problem by teaching them how to use the system they > have chosen to use. The only addition to paid support is going into the > server and doing it for them. The drawback to paid is only the user > getting support gets the education. > > So far I have not actually gotten much actual help on debugging the > problems with Usermin. Just some vary good links to resources that will > prove to be valuable in my overall server admin but not in solving a > restore problem. And lots of talk about support list and their use or > non use. > > Thanks > > Shanta > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > > |
From: Shanta M. <web...@co...> - 2008-11-30 17:54:41
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Richard Shebora wrote .. > I am very sorry. > I spoke out of turn. > Please accept my apologies. > I will not bother you again. Opp I'm the one who should be sorry! I did not mean to offend you. I don't think you spoke out of turn. You would have had to have read every post I have made or that to be even a vague possibility. Who has time for that. I hope you will bother me again and soon. Shanta |
From: David B. <da...@da...> - 2008-11-26 14:42:21
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Hello Shanta, to help simplify things let me establish some definitions: webmin and usermin do not do anything different to or for your Unix or Linux server hosting your SMPTd also+known+as: MTA (mail transport agent) that you could not do manually at a Unix or Linux command-line terminal or window. I have 20+ years working in Unix and Linux but I prefer Webmin as it provides a lot of security from the outside world and from myself. The Unix or Linux root user is a dangerous person. Usermin is just a user's version of Webmin. Most items available to Webmin are available in Usermin if the root webmin user allows this option. You need to become much more adept at Webmin. There are some very good books on the market and the online doco is also very good: http://doxfer.com/Webmin/Modules. Webmin is only a configuration and management software guise. Webmin should not be confused with the software and services deployed on your servers. This being said here are some of the things you should begin working on once you have done some more study: Webmin allows for categories of webmin users. For example: I have a category named: wmadmin that I assign to new users when I want the new user to have near full root admin rights on the target machine. Any module that you configure in Webmin has an option to allow the module to be made available in Usermin. Email servers: herein referred to as: SMTPd or the MTA. There are only a handful of MTAs in the world worth mentioning: Qmail, Postfix, Exim, SendMail, Exchange. Qmail: in the world of the large email houses: yahoo, google, hotmail (and many more) all use Qmail as it is the most secure and the most robust. For a much more detailed treatise of QMail just google: Dan Bernstein or bernstein+qmail. Postfix: http://www.postfix.org is what I use. This SMPTd authored by Wietse Venema as a Sendmail drop-in replacement has run on my machines the past 8 or 9 years. This MTA is easy to maintain under Webmin. Exim4: a very popular "other" Linux distro default installed SMTPd. I have no real knowledge to impart. Just google: exim+mta+smtp. Sendmail: the original Unix/BSD MTA (maybe 30 years old or older). If you can configure Sendmail then you have a lot more determination than I. Exchange: the Microsoft solution used by a great many American companies. As with many Microsoft products it is not recommended for public consumption as the security is not good. Also, this product is very expensive and in-all-likelihood Exchange does not run on any type of Linux or Unix box (2003/2008 servers only). Anti-SPAM measures: as mentioned I use the MTA/SMTPd know as Postfix. As part of my anti-SPAM measures I use a combination of email header and body analysis coupled with plain old DNSBL (Domain Name Service Black List) to eliminate SPAM. The SPAMASSASSIN you are currently using does the email header and email body analaysis to eliminate the SPAM. For most situations this could or should be enough. This decision is up to you how much SPAM is allowed on your systems. No single solution exists to eliminate 100% of all SPAM. I have come very close to 100% no SPAM. Once you understand which SMPTd you are using under Webmin you should be able to add DNSBLs easily to the MTA configuration via webmin. the DNSBLs that I use are: dsn.rfc-ignorant.org, bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, pbl.spamhaus.org, list.dsbl.org, dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.webitplanet.com The last DNSBL listed above is my personal blacklist. Under Webmin I have my own DNS server configured and working quite well bouncing SPAM. There are many more DNSBLs running publicly on the net then what I have listed here. I quit using SPAMASSASSIN because SPAMASSASSIN requires the use of a MDA (mail delivery agent) see: http://www.feep.net/sendmail/tutorial/intro/MUA-MTA-MDA.html. I have always had some issues with the MDA. Usually the MDA on a Linux box is Procmail. Instead I have opted for the following: http://www.malware.com.br/. I use a cron script with the previous URL in place of SPAMASSASSIN. This script is much easier to install and maintain over SPAMASSASSIN. Once you have done a lot more study of the subject pointed to above anyone on this list will be happy to answer tech specific question about installs and configurations you will need to solve you problems with your email. HTH, David. web...@co... wrote .. > David Brown wrote .. > > Hello, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the deny users updates the > > SPAMASSASSIN list. If you don't have SPAMASSISSIN installed and configured then > > deny sender will not work. > > spamassassin is installed and working with webmin as root or admins. Users don't > have access to webmin. The error below as in Usermin. Far as I can tell spamassassin > is configured, at least for Webin. It may not be confured to work with Usermin. > > > >I have run a SMTPd (email server) for about 8 years > > against webmin and usermin. My gut feeling is your issues are not with usermin > > but your SMTPd (qmail, postfix, exim, etc.). If you users do not represent real > > domain names resolvable via DNS then you might want to use the Virtual Domains > > feature is available under your SMTPd on Webmin. I can reply with a very serious > > SPAM solution if interested. HTH, David. > > Webmin is the only interface I have used to setup the server and create address. > It was all installed by apt-get from virtualmin server. So it should be set right > but obviously not. Thus my quest to get to the root, fix it, and in the process > see if my problems are really unique. > > Webmin templates have an option to chose the username of each user or email that > you create. > current formats are > > username.domain webminlist.computer (actually uses the usermame of domain not the > full domain name as the username@domain dose) > domain.username > username-domain > domain-username > username_domain > domain_username > usernames@domain web...@co... > > All accounts were created with webmin. some with the template for the domain set > for username.domain some with username@domain. > > I want an easy way for my clients to create email accounts and for users to use > them. Which is why I was wanting Webmin to deal with site owner task and have the > username.domain so the address of the user and the username was the same. > > > Blocking email address is not the best as my old fo...@fo... is an address > used by spammers to send messages from. When you look at the headers you can see > that it never came from my system at all but deny only look at the from address > not the from server. > > If you can guide me to a working mail server and help me understand what is happening > I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks for the response. > > Shanta > > Ps I am sending this in Webmin as Usermin will not send mail yet. > > > > web...@co... wrote .. > > > Hi > > > > > > I am still having problems with Usermin and mail. > > > > > > Just tried to send this message via usermin but it failed with the fallowing. > > > > > > Failed to open /home/computersystemconsulting/homes/webminlist/.tmp/upload.122763312613513 > > > for writing : Bad file descriptor > > > > > > So there is still more wrong with usermin than the below would suggest. > > > This was sent with webmin > > > > > > My login problems were based around username.domain and usermin@domain. > > > > > > Using only Usermin.domain format I have been able to get logged into all accounts. > > > Not what I wanted for my users but it works. > > > > > > The continuing problem is with spam. The deny senders works for adding address > > > to the users denyed list. Not sure if they are used or not but that is another > > > question. > > > > > > When you attempt to delete spam you get a message say basically 1 message examined > > > 0 added see error for why it failed. The message(s) are deleted. I dose not > mater > > > if you click one or more links the same message is given. > > > > > > Any ideas on how to fix this? > > > > > > Thanks Shanta > > Yet some, not wise, go to the other side of the globe, to barbarous and unhealthy > > regions, and devote ten or twenty years, in that they may live,-that is, keep > comfortably > > warm,- and die in New England at last. > > > > Henry David Thoreau - Walden - 1845 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > - > > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > > To remove yourself from this list, go to > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list Yet some, not wise, go to the other side of the globe, to barbarous and unhealthy regions, and devote ten or twenty years, in that they may live,-that is, keep comfortably warm,- and die in New England at last. 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From: <su...@sp...> - 2008-11-26 15:18:39
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Thanks David for the fantastic explanation. I monitor this list and that was one of the most informative emails I have seen. I am switching my email system to Postfix. I am starting with a backup mx and have loaded Webmin to administrate. I want to setup the backup and then setup the primary. The problem is that the backup - configured as backup only - is receiving mail that the primary would reject since I have the RBL's in the primary. I was searching the internet on how to properly enter RBL's in postfix using webmin when i saw your post. Where in Webmin's config do you enter the rbl's? My biggest hurdle starting out is not only learning postfix syntax but also learning where to administer the different areas in Webmin. Since you are a pro at postfix, please send me a link to the best config models. --Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------- LCS On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:42 AM, David Brown wrote: > Once you understand which SMPTd you are using under Webmin you > should be able to add DNSBLs easily to the MTA configuration via > webmin. the DNSBLs that I use are: dsn.rfc-ignorant.org, > bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, pbl.spamhaus.org, list.dsbl.org, > dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.webitplanet.com |
From: David H. <da...@we...> - 2008-11-26 17:54:23
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Geez. It's just a game man. Like Wow. Don't get too worked up :) David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Brown" <da...@da...> To: "Webmin users list" <web...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [webmin-l] usermin mail problems > Hello Shanta, to help simplify things let me establish some definitions: > webmin and usermin do not do anything different to or for your Unix or > Linux server hosting your SMPTd also+known+as: MTA (mail transport agent) > that you could not do manually at a Unix or Linux command-line terminal or > window. I have 20+ years working in Unix and Linux but I prefer Webmin as > it provides a lot of security from the outside world and from myself. The > Unix or Linux root user is a dangerous person. Usermin is just a user's > version of Webmin. Most items available to Webmin are available in Usermin > if the root webmin user allows this option. You need to become much more > adept at Webmin. There are some very good books on the market and the > online doco is also very good: http://doxfer.com/Webmin/Modules. Webmin is > only a configuration and management software guise. Webmin should not be > confused with the software and services deployed on your servers. This > being said here are some of the things you should begin working on once > you have done some more study: > > Webmin allows for categories of webmin users. For example: I have a > category named: wmadmin that I assign to new users when I want the new > user to have near full root admin rights on the target machine. > > Any module that you configure in Webmin has an option to allow the module > to be made available in Usermin. > > Email servers: herein referred to as: SMTPd or the MTA. There are only a > handful of MTAs in the world worth mentioning: Qmail, Postfix, Exim, > SendMail, Exchange. > > Qmail: in the world of the large email houses: yahoo, google, hotmail (and > many more) all use Qmail as it is the most secure and the most robust. For > a much more detailed treatise of QMail just google: Dan Bernstein or > bernstein+qmail. > > Postfix: http://www.postfix.org is what I use. This SMPTd authored by > Wietse Venema as a Sendmail drop-in replacement has run on my machines the > past 8 or 9 years. This MTA is easy to maintain under Webmin. > > Exim4: a very popular "other" Linux distro default installed SMTPd. I have > no real knowledge to impart. Just google: exim+mta+smtp. > > Sendmail: the original Unix/BSD MTA (maybe 30 years old or older). If you > can configure Sendmail then you have a lot more determination than I. > > Exchange: the Microsoft solution used by a great many American companies. > As with many Microsoft products it is not recommended for public > consumption as the security is not good. Also, this product is very > expensive and in-all-likelihood Exchange does not run on any type of Linux > or Unix box (2003/2008 servers only). > > Anti-SPAM measures: as mentioned I use the MTA/SMTPd know as Postfix. As > part of my anti-SPAM measures I use a combination of email header and body > analysis coupled with plain old DNSBL (Domain Name Service Black List) to > eliminate SPAM. The SPAMASSASSIN you are currently using does the email > header and email body analaysis to eliminate the SPAM. For most situations > this could or should be enough. This decision is up to you how much SPAM > is allowed on your systems. No single solution exists to eliminate 100% of > all SPAM. I have come very close to 100% no SPAM. > > Once you understand which SMPTd you are using under Webmin you should be > able to add DNSBLs easily to the MTA configuration via webmin. the DNSBLs > that I use are: dsn.rfc-ignorant.org, bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, > pbl.spamhaus.org, list.dsbl.org, dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net, dnsbl.sorbs.net, > dnsbl.webitplanet.com > > The last DNSBL listed above is my personal blacklist. Under Webmin I have > my own DNS server configured and working quite well bouncing SPAM. There > are many more DNSBLs running publicly on the net then what I have listed > here. > > I quit using SPAMASSASSIN because SPAMASSASSIN requires the use of a MDA > (mail delivery agent) see: > http://www.feep.net/sendmail/tutorial/intro/MUA-MTA-MDA.html. I have > always had some issues with the MDA. Usually the MDA on a Linux box is > Procmail. Instead I have opted for the following: > http://www.malware.com.br/. I use a cron script with the previous URL in > place of SPAMASSASSIN. This script is much easier to install and maintain > over SPAMASSASSIN. > > Once you have done a lot more study of the subject pointed to above anyone > on this list will be happy to answer tech specific question about installs > and configurations you will need to solve you problems with your email. > > HTH, David. > > web...@co... wrote .. >> David Brown wrote .. >> > Hello, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the deny users >> > updates the >> > SPAMASSASSIN list. If you don't have SPAMASSISSIN installed and >> > configured then >> > deny sender will not work. >> >> spamassassin is installed and working with webmin as root or admins. >> Users don't >> have access to webmin. The error below as in Usermin. Far as I can tell >> spamassassin >> is configured, at least for Webin. It may not be confured to work with >> Usermin. >> >> >> >I have run a SMTPd (email server) for about 8 years >> > against webmin and usermin. My gut feeling is your issues are not with >> > usermin >> > but your SMTPd (qmail, postfix, exim, etc.). If you users do not >> > represent real >> > domain names resolvable via DNS then you might want to use the Virtual >> > Domains >> > feature is available under your SMTPd on Webmin. I can reply with a >> > very serious >> > SPAM solution if interested. HTH, David. >> >> Webmin is the only interface I have used to setup the server and create >> address. >> It was all installed by apt-get from virtualmin server. So it should be >> set right >> but obviously not. Thus my quest to get to the root, fix it, and in the >> process >> see if my problems are really unique. >> >> Webmin templates have an option to chose the username of each user or >> email that >> you create. >> current formats are >> >> username.domain webminlist.computer (actually uses the usermame of domain >> not the >> full domain name as the username@domain dose) >> domain.username >> username-domain >> domain-username >> username_domain >> domain_username >> usernames@domain web...@co... >> >> All accounts were created with webmin. some with the template for the >> domain set >> for username.domain some with username@domain. >> >> I want an easy way for my clients to create email accounts and for users >> to use >> them. Which is why I was wanting Webmin to deal with site owner task and >> have the >> username.domain so the address of the user and the username was the same. >> >> >> Blocking email address is not the best as my old fo...@fo... is >> an address >> used by spammers to send messages from. When you look at the headers you >> can see >> that it never came from my system at all but deny only look at the from >> address >> not the from server. >> >> If you can guide me to a working mail server and help me understand what >> is happening >> I would greatly appreciate it. >> >> Thanks for the response. >> >> Shanta >> >> Ps I am sending this in Webmin as Usermin will not send mail yet. >> >> >> > web...@co... wrote .. >> > > Hi >> > > >> > > I am still having problems with Usermin and mail. >> > > >> > > Just tried to send this message via usermin but it failed with the >> > > fallowing. >> > > >> > > Failed to open >> > > /home/computersystemconsulting/homes/webminlist/.tmp/upload.122763312613513 >> > > for writing : Bad file descriptor >> > > >> > > So there is still more wrong with usermin than the below would >> > > suggest. >> > > This was sent with webmin >> > > >> > > My login problems were based around username.domain and >> > > usermin@domain. >> > > >> > > Using only Usermin.domain format I have been able to get logged into >> > > all accounts. >> > > Not what I wanted for my users but it works. >> > > >> > > The continuing problem is with spam. The deny senders works for >> > > adding address >> > > to the users denyed list. Not sure if they are used or not but that >> > > is another >> > > question. >> > > >> > > When you attempt to delete spam you get a message say basically 1 >> > > message examined >> > > 0 added see error for why it failed. The message(s) are deleted. I >> > > dose not >> mater >> > > if you click one or more links the same message is given. >> > > >> > > Any ideas on how to fix this? >> > > >> > > Thanks Shanta >> > Yet some, not wise, go to the other side of the globe, to barbarous and >> > unhealthy >> > regions, and devote ten or twenty years, in that they may live,-that >> > is, keep >> comfortably >> > warm,- and die in New England at last. >> > >> > Henry David Thoreau - Walden - 1845 >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >> > challenge >> > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >> > prizes >> > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the >> > world >> > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> > - >> > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at >> > web...@li... >> > To remove yourself from this list, go to >> > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > Yet some, not wise, go to the other side of the globe, to barbarous and > unhealthy regions, and devote ten or twenty years, in that they may > live,-that is, keep comfortably warm,- and die in New England at last. > > Henry David Thoreau - Walden - 1845 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the > world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at > web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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