From: roland <for...@gm...> - 2004-10-20 22:29:44
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Hi folks, I would like to hear your opinion if it`s worth thinking about a "UML Linux Distribution". It could be based on another distro (debian? fedora?) and contain: - A setup for installation of a minimalistic, UML-"ready" base system - call it a "UML runtime environment". That means: Recent and skas/sysemu-patched kernel(2.6), modules, X, uml-utilities, screen, scripts, bridge-utils...... - Pre-configured environment (bridge setup,tmpfs,mountpoints...) - some UML kernels - basic root-filesystems "ready to run" This could be valuable to people who want to get UML run quickly at good performance or want to roll it out in larger environments What do you think ? ( ) Ohhhh - nooooo, not another Distro! ( ) probably useful to make setup/usage of UML easier ( ) becoming useless, if skas/sysemu go into vanilla kernel :) regards Roland |
From: Dan L. <ar...@co...> - 2004-10-21 03:34:54
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I think it'd be an interesting idea, especially if someone wants to set up a host specifically to host UML. Everything right there and ready. It'd be great for a beginner I think. SKAS/sysemu are secondary issues in comparison to having everything setup. A Xen type setup would be righteous ;) -Dan [Automated Quote]Wow, Can you believe roland said this[/Automated Quote] on 10/20/04 15:31: > Hi folks, > > I would like to hear your opinion if it`s worth thinking about a "UML Linux Distribution". > > It could be based on another distro (debian? fedora?) and contain: > > - A setup for installation of a minimalistic, UML-"ready" base system - call it a "UML > runtime environment". That means: Recent and skas/sysemu-patched kernel(2.6), modules, > X, uml-utilities, screen, scripts, bridge-utils...... > - Pre-configured environment (bridge setup,tmpfs,mountpoints...) > - some UML kernels > - basic root-filesystems "ready to run" > > This could be valuable to people who want to get UML run quickly at good performance or want > to roll it out in larger environments > > What do you think ? > > ( ) Ohhhh - nooooo, not another Distro! > ( ) probably useful to make setup/usage of UML easier > ( ) becoming useless, if skas/sysemu go into vanilla kernel > > :) > > regards > Roland > -- [img:ed3befa3f8]http://www.clete2.com/imgs/Signature.gif[/img:ed3befa3f8] I am a SIGNATURE VIRUS, help me spread - attach me to your signature file. I got infected by Clete2 |
From: Cameron P. <ca...@pa...> - 2004-10-21 06:59:48
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roland wrote: > I would like to hear your opinion if it`s worth thinking about a > "UML Linux Distribution". Sounds like an eminently sensible idea to me :-) > It could be based on another distro (debian? fedora?) and contain: My personal bias would be to base it on Debian, as it is generally quite readily hackable, and has a lot of the infrastructure to support UML already there. Dunno, I don't think it really matters that much. > - A setup for installation of a minimalistic, UML-"ready" base > system - call it a "UML runtime environment". That means: Recent and > skas/sysemu-patched kernel(2.6), modules, X, uml-utilities, screen, > scripts, bridge-utils...... Is having X installed really desirable most of the time? Most of the uses for this distro would be on servers, and having X on the host makes maintaining the distro harder for relatively little benefit. > - Pre-configured environment (bridge setup,tmpfs,mountpoints...) Scripts to make it easy to add and remove UML guest instances would also be quite useful -- especially if it could take care of having UMLs running as their own user id (for security reasons) and setting up a root filesystem. > - basic root-filesystems "ready to run" Or alternatively, including tools like rootstrap to make generating root fs'es easy? Cameron. |
From: Henrik N. <um...@hn...> - 2004-10-21 10:30:49
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Cameron Patrick wrote: > Is having X installed really desirable most of the time? Most of the > uses for this distro would be on servers, and having X on the host > makes maintaining the distro harder for relatively little benefit. It would probably make sense to have the X libraries and some clients, but probably not worth it to try to maintain X servers other than virtual ones such as VNC or NX. Regards Henrik |
From: Gerd K. <kr...@by...> - 2004-10-21 09:40:14
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"roland" <for...@gm...> writes: > What do you think ? > > ( ) Ohhhh - nooooo, not another Distro! > ( ) probably useful to make setup/usage of UML easier > ( ) becoming useless, if skas/sysemu go into vanilla kernel [x] Distributions already working on it ;) SuSE ships uml + skas-patched kernels for quite some time. The other stuff also slowly moves forward to better UML support, the yast2 installer runs just fine within a UML environment for example. Debian also has uml packages (havn't tested them through). Gerd -- return -ENOSIG; |
From: Geert U. <ge...@li...> - 2004-10-21 12:52:54
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Gerd Knorr wrote: > "roland" <for...@gm...> writes: > > What do you think ? > > > > ( ) Ohhhh - nooooo, not another Distro! > > ( ) probably useful to make setup/usage of UML easier > > ( ) becoming useless, if skas/sysemu go into vanilla kernel > > [x] Distributions already working on it ;) > > SuSE ships uml + skas-patched kernels for quite some time. The other > stuff also slowly moves forward to better UML support, the yast2 > installer runs just fine within a UML environment for example. > > Debian also has uml packages (havn't tested them through). Put AFAIK the standard Debian kernels don't contain the SKAS patch. They do ship kernel-patch-skas as a separate package. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li... In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds |
From: kaz <shi...@ya...> - 2004-10-21 15:14:58
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Gerd Knorr wrote: > "roland" <for...@gm...> writes: > >>What do you think ? >> >>( ) Ohhhh - nooooo, not another Distro! >>( ) probably useful to make setup/usage of UML easier >>( ) becoming useless, if skas/sysemu go into vanilla kernel > > [x] Distributions already working on it ;) > > SuSE ships uml + skas-patched kernels for quite some time. The other > stuff also slowly moves forward to better UML support, the yast2 > installer runs just fine within a UML environment for example. You can give UML a try in a live-cd manner with Knoppix Japanese edition which supports UML, available at; http://unit.aist.go.jp/it/knoppix/uml/ Also FreeNX server and IPv6 are supported, too. > Debian also has uml packages (havn't tested them through). uml debian packages may have been removed from sarge recently. Debian only apply patches listed at; http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-sf.html and not applying incremental patches at; http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/patches.html Jeff, could you please kindly update patches at dl-sf.html ? |
From: Jeff D. <jd...@ad...> - 2004-10-22 03:07:16
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shi...@ya... said: > Jeff, could you please kindly update patches at dl-sf.html ? I'll update the 2.4 patch when I next merge stuff into it. At this point, I'm planning on not releasing 2.6 patches any more. UML is in the stock kernel, so I don't see any reason so release the traditional patch. Jeff |
From: Manoj S. <sri...@ie...> - 2004-10-22 09:45:49
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:14:50 +0900, kaz <shi...@ya...> said: >> Debian also has uml packages (havn't tested them through). > uml debian packages may have been removed from sarge recently. Yes, but the Debian kernel-package package now has the ability to let end users create their own kernel-uml-X.Y.X packages on their own, and install multiple versions of kernel-uml packages simultaneously. manoj -- UNIX enhancements aren't. Manoj Srivastava <sri...@ac...> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C |
From: Brian E. <be...@sa...> - 2004-10-22 13:01:38
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> I would like to hear your opinion if it`s worth thinking about a "UML Linux Distribution". > > It could be based on another distro (debian? fedora?) and contain: As other people have already stated, I think that Debian would be the best base to start from. Perhaps even look into remastering Knoppix (but removing some of the user fluff). I think a live CD (or pen drive ala http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/) UML Distribution would be awesome, where the hard disks are only used to store your root-filesystems. > What do you think ? > > ( ) Ohhhh - nooooo, not another Distro! > ( ) probably useful to make setup/usage of UML easier > ( ) becoming useless, if skas/sysemu go into vanilla kernel I think that this is a fantastic idea. I would take it one further and say... (*) If you do it, I would contribute :) -- Brian Ellis Saberlogic 330.335.6442 www.saberlogic.com |