From: Chris A. <ch...@no...> - 2003-11-15 23:12:25
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Hi, I'm trying to build TOra on MacOS X, using the native Qt library. Following the instructions in README.OSX, the app builds, links the static executable and builds the .app bundle OK. On starting the app (by double-clicking in the Finder or with the open command), a small window appears, labelled 'TOra 1.3.12' but with no widgets, and disappears when clicked, at which point the process exits. Relevant version numbers: Tora 1.3.12 MacOS X 10.3 Qt/Mac 3.3.2 Oracle 9iR2 "Developer's Release" Qt/Mac was built with '-static -thread', and I've checked for other versions of Qt elsewhere on the system. I had to add '-lresolv', to get TOra to link, but this appears to be a known Qt-on-10.3 issue. I've tried with cvs HEAD rather than the 1.3.12 release, with various compilers (10.3 has gccs 3.3, 3.1 and 2.95.2 available), and the results are the same. I had also tried the same build under OSX 10.2, before upgrading, with again the same results. Now I'm out of things to try... Chris. |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2003-11-16 04:15:14
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Chris - I've built TOra on MacOS X 10.2.6, but haven't tried 10.3 yet. Does the crash log for TOra provide any clues? On 10.2, I get to the crash log using the "Apple System Profiler, /Applications/Utilities/Apple\ System\ Profiler. The crash log should provide a stack trace. When I was debugging TOra on MacOS X 10.2, I used the stack trace and the GNU gdb debugger to hunt down a few problems. Would you be interested in trying a pre-built binary? I've a couple of binary versions that I've built under 10.2; I'd be interested in finding out whether they run without modification under 10.3. I could put the binaries up on my website if you're interested. - Rick Hall On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 06:11 PM, Chris Andrews wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to build TOra on MacOS X, using the native Qt library. > Following the instructions in README.OSX, the app builds, links the > static executable and builds the .app bundle OK. On starting the app > (by double-clicking in the Finder or with the open command), a small > window appears, labelled 'TOra 1.3.12' but with no widgets, and > disappears when clicked, at which point the process exits. > > Relevant version numbers: > Tora 1.3.12 > MacOS X 10.3 > Qt/Mac 3.3.2 > Oracle 9iR2 "Developer's Release" > > Qt/Mac was built with '-static -thread', and I've checked for other > versions of Qt elsewhere on the system. I had to add '-lresolv', to > get TOra to link, but this appears to be a known Qt-on-10.3 issue. > > I've tried with cvs HEAD rather than the 1.3.12 release, with various > compilers (10.3 has gccs 3.3, 3.1 and 2.95.2 available), and the > results are the same. I had also tried the same build under OSX 10.2, > before upgrading, with again the same results. > > Now I'm out of things to try... > > > Chris. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! > https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/ > g22lp.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > |
From: Chris A. <ch...@no...> - 2003-11-16 09:03:05
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On 16 Nov 2003, at 04:14, Rick Hall wrote: > Does the crash log for TOra provide any clues? On 10.2, I get to the > crash log using the "Apple System Profiler, > /Applications/Utilities/Apple\ System\ Profiler. The crash log should > provide a stack trace. When I was debugging TOra on MacOS X 10.2, I > used the stack trace and the GNU gdb debugger to hunt down a few > problems. It seems to not be generating a crash log - I've observed an old version of TOra (a 1.3.9.2 binary someone provided a while back) crashing and generating a log, so I know crash logs are on and working. The app does start, but just exits without doing anything meaningful. > Would you be interested in trying a pre-built binary? I've a couple of > binary versions that I've built under 10.2; I'd be interested in > finding out whether they run without modification under 10.3. I could > put the binaries up on my website if you're interested. I certainly would be interested, yes. Do you have a version which is statically linked against Qt -- I didn't build the shared libqt-mt when I installed it. Thanks, Chris. |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2003-11-17 01:21:35
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Chris - A build of TOra 1.3.11 on MacOS X 10.2.6 is available at http://projects.rphall.com. Let me know if it works on Mac OS 10.3. I'll try to get TOra 1.3.12 up on the site tomorrow. - Rick Hall On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 04:02 AM, Chris Andrews wrote: > > On 16 Nov 2003, at 04:14, Rick Hall wrote: > >> Does the crash log for TOra provide any clues? On 10.2, I get to the >> crash log using the "Apple System Profiler, >> /Applications/Utilities/Apple\ System\ Profiler. The crash log should >> provide a stack trace. When I was debugging TOra on MacOS X 10.2, I >> used the stack trace and the GNU gdb debugger to hunt down a few >> problems. > > It seems to not be generating a crash log - I've observed an old > version of TOra (a 1.3.9.2 binary someone provided a while back) > crashing and generating a log, so I know crash logs are on and > working. The app does start, but just exits without doing anything > meaningful. > >> Would you be interested in trying a pre-built binary? I've a couple >> of binary versions that I've built under 10.2; I'd be interested in >> finding out whether they run without modification under 10.3. I could >> put the binaries up on my website if you're interested. > > I certainly would be interested, yes. Do you have a version which is > statically linked against Qt -- I didn't build the shared libqt-mt > when I installed it. > > Thanks, > Chris. > |
From: Chris A. <ch...@no...> - 2003-11-17 12:41:41
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Rick Hall wrote: > Chris - > > A build of TOra 1.3.11 on MacOS X 10.2.6 is available at > http://projects.rphall.com. Let me know if it works on Mac OS 10.3. Well, that works fine - I can connect to the local Oracle server, and all seems well. I do wonder what I'm doing wrong ... Which version of Qt are you using? I've been trying with the latest Qt/Mac, 3.2.3, compiled with '-static -thread'. I'm more than happy to try a 1.3.12 build out, too. Thanks, Chris. |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2003-11-17 14:42:36
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Chris - Thanks for the feedback on the 1.3.11 Mac build. I'm using Qt 3.2.1, also compiled with '-static -thread'. I've attached an excerpt of my Qt configuration log, and I've posted the complete Qt configuration and make logs at http://projects.rphall.com/docman/?group_id=5 ("Qt build logs"). The 1.3.11 Mac executable that works on your system was a squeaky clean build. I downloaded a fresh copy of Hendrik's 1.3.11 source; I downloaded the patch tar ball that's posted on projects.rphall.com; and I built the application according to the README file. Like you, I'm puzzled about what could be different with our build environments. There is a short list of obvious differences (Qt 3.2.1 vs 3.2.3, Mac OS X 1.2.6 vs 1.3) but these differences don't seem likely to cause the behaviour you're seeing (and these differences a pain to eliminate completely). I wonder if anyone else on the tora-develop mailing list has tried a Mac OS build ... One quick question: is there another Qt library on your system? For example, have you installed any Fink projects that would have installed another configuration or version of Qt? - Rick EXCERPT OF Qt CONFIGURATION LOG: ./configure -static -thread >& _configure.log This is the Qt/Mac Free Edition. <... elided ...> This target is using the GNU C++ compiler (macx-g++). <... elided ...> Build type: macx-g++ Configuration ....... nocrosscompiler minimal-config small-config medium-config large-config full-config styles tools kernel widgets dialogs iconview workspace network canvas table xml opengl sql release staticlib thread stl mng jpeg png no-gif system-zlib bigcodecs STL support ......... yes Thread support ...... yes NIS support ......... no CUPS support ........ no Large File support .. no GIF support ......... no MNG support ......... yes (qt) JPEG support ........ yes (qt) PNG support ......... yes (qt) zlib support ........ system OpenGL support ...... yes <...elided...> |
From: Fernando <fer...@ma...> - 2003-11-17 14:49:19
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Yes, I also tried and failed to build it in 10.3 this binary works fine, through. Fernando On Nov 17, 2003, at 6:42 AM, Rick Hall wrote: > Chris - > > Thanks for the feedback on the 1.3.11 Mac build. > > I'm using Qt 3.2.1, also compiled with '-static -thread'. I've > attached an excerpt of my Qt configuration log, and I've posted the > complete Qt configuration and make logs at > http://projects.rphall.com/docman/?group_id=5 ("Qt build logs"). > > The 1.3.11 Mac executable that works on your system was a squeaky > clean build. I downloaded a fresh copy of Hendrik's 1.3.11 source; I > downloaded the patch tar ball that's posted on projects.rphall.com; > and I built the application according to the README file. Like you, > I'm puzzled about what could be different with our build environments. > > There is a short list of obvious differences (Qt 3.2.1 vs 3.2.3, Mac > OS X 1.2.6 vs 1.3) but these differences don't seem likely to cause > the behaviour you're seeing (and these differences a pain to eliminate > completely). > > I wonder if anyone else on the tora-develop mailing list has tried a > Mac OS build ... > > One quick question: is there another Qt library on your system? For > example, have you installed any Fink projects that would have > installed another configuration or version of Qt? > > - Rick > > EXCERPT OF Qt CONFIGURATION LOG: > > ./configure -static -thread >& _configure.log > This is the Qt/Mac Free Edition. > <... elided ...> > This target is using the GNU C++ compiler (macx-g++). > <... elided ...> > > Build type: macx-g++ > Configuration ....... nocrosscompiler minimal-config small-config > medium-config large-config full-config styles tools kernel widgets > dialogs iconview workspace network canvas table xml opengl sql release > staticlib thread stl mng jpeg png no-gif system-zlib bigcodecs > STL support ......... yes > Thread support ...... yes > NIS support ......... no > CUPS support ........ no > Large File support .. no > GIF support ......... no > MNG support ......... yes (qt) > JPEG support ........ yes (qt) > PNG support ......... yes (qt) > zlib support ........ system > OpenGL support ...... yes > > <...elided...> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! > https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/ > g22lp.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2003-11-17 14:56:07
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Fernando - Thanks for the info. Which version of Qt did you use when the build failed? - Rick On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 09:48 AM, Fernando wrote: > Yes, I also tried and failed to build it in 10.3 > > this binary works fine, through. > > Fernando > |
From: Don M. <ma...@ll...> - 2003-11-17 15:14:52
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Yes, I have built tora on OS X. It was tora-1.3.11. I had it running in 10.2.8 with Qt installed from fink. I just followed the instructions, without modifying anything. Unfortunately, it's currently broken, because I have since received a new computer, and haven't reinstalled Qt or, probably, most other supporting libraries that fink may have provided. Although TOra appeared to have been working, I wouldn't claim it was a totally successful build, because there were various warnings from ld. These are representative: ld: warning multiple definitions of symbol _SSLWrite /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Versions/A/Security(ProjectBuilderMasterObjectFile.o) definition of _SSLWrite /Users/oracle/9iR2/orahome/lib/libclntsh.dylib(ssltrspt.o) definition of _SSLWrite ld: warning suggest use of -bind_at_load, as lazy binding may result in errors or different symbols being used symbol _dlopen used from dynamic library /sw/lib/libdl.0.dylib(dlfcn.o) not from earlier dynamic library /Users/oracle/Source/9iR2/rdbms/lib/libclntsh.dylib.9.0(dlopen.o) -Don At 9:42 AM -0500 11/17/03, Rick Hall wrote: >Chris - > >Thanks for the feedback on the 1.3.11 Mac build. > >I'm using Qt 3.2.1, also compiled with '-static -thread'. I've >attached an excerpt of my Qt configuration log, and I've posted the >complete Qt configuration and make logs at >http://projects.rphall.com/docman/?group_id=5 ("Qt build logs"). > >The 1.3.11 Mac executable that works on your system was a squeaky >clean build. I downloaded a fresh copy of Hendrik's 1.3.11 source; I >downloaded the patch tar ball that's posted on projects.rphall.com; >and I built the application according to the README file. Like you, >I'm puzzled about what could be different with our build >environments. > >There is a short list of obvious differences (Qt 3.2.1 vs 3.2.3, Mac >OS X 1.2.6 vs 1.3) but these differences don't seem likely to cause >the behaviour you're seeing (and these differences a pain to >eliminate completely). > >I wonder if anyone else on the tora-develop mailing list has tried a >Mac OS build ... > >One quick question: is there another Qt library on your system? For >example, have you installed any Fink projects that would have >installed another configuration or version of Qt? > > - Rick > >EXCERPT OF Qt CONFIGURATION LOG: > >./configure -static -thread >& _configure.log >This is the Qt/Mac Free Edition. ><... elided ...> >This target is using the GNU C++ compiler (macx-g++). ><... elided ...> > >Build type: macx-g++ >Configuration ....... nocrosscompiler minimal-config small-config >medium-config large-config full-config styles tools kernel widgets >dialogs iconview workspace network canvas table xml opengl sql >release staticlib thread stl mng jpeg png no-gif system-zlib >bigcodecs >STL support ......... yes >Thread support ...... yes >NIS support ......... no >CUPS support ........ no >Large File support .. no >GIF support ......... no >MNG support ......... yes (qt) >JPEG support ........ yes (qt) >PNG support ......... yes (qt) >zlib support ........ system >OpenGL support ...... yes > ><...elided...> > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC >GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from >any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! >https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl >_______________________________________________ >Tora-develop mailing list >Tor...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop -- -------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA -------------------------------------- |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2003-11-17 18:13:07
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Chris - A non-debug build of TOra 1.3.12 for Mac OS X 10.2.6 is available on http://projects.rphall.com - Rick On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 07:40 AM, Chris Andrews wrote: > > I'm more than happy to try a 1.3.12 build out, too. > > Thanks, > Chris. > |
From: Don M. <ma...@ll...> - 2003-11-17 15:56:43
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Hi, I'm missing something basic here. I downloaded Rick's binary from the link he provided (thanks!), and I created the file $HOME/.MacOSX/environment.plist with the correct value of ORACLE_HOME (/Users/oracle/9iR2/orahome). (Actually, I just copied Rick's example file, and observed that it is correct for my system) But when I double-click on the Tora app, I get the message "No available connection provider, plugins probably missing." Since I didn't encounter this when I blindly built from sources, I haven't a clue... FWIW, this is OS X 10.2.8(G5) Thanks -Don At 8:21 PM -0500 11/16/03, Rick Hall wrote: >Chris - > >A build of TOra 1.3.11 on MacOS X 10.2.6 is available at >http://projects.rphall.com. Let me know if it works on Mac OS 10.3. > >I'll try to get TOra 1.3.12 up on the site tomorrow. > > - Rick Hall > > >On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 04:02 AM, Chris Andrews wrote: > >> >>On 16 Nov 2003, at 04:14, Rick Hall wrote: >> >>>Does the crash log for TOra provide any clues? On 10.2, I get to >>>the crash log using the "Apple System Profiler, >>>/Applications/Utilities/Apple\ System\ Profiler. The crash log >>>should provide a stack trace. When I was debugging TOra on MacOS >>>X 10.2, I used the stack trace and the GNU gdb debugger to hunt >>>down a few problems. >> >>It seems to not be generating a crash log - I've observed an old >>version of TOra (a 1.3.9.2 binary someone provided a while back) >>crashing and generating a log, so I know crash logs are on and >>working. The app does start, but just exits without doing anything >>meaningful. >> >>>Would you be interested in trying a pre-built binary? I've a >>>couple of binary versions that I've built under 10.2; I'd be >>>interested in finding out whether they run without modification >>>under 10.3. I could put the binaries up on my website if you're >>>interested. >> >>I certainly would be interested, yes. Do you have a version which >>is statically linked against Qt -- I didn't build the shared >>libqt-mt when I installed it. >> >>Thanks, >>Chris. >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC >GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from >any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! >https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl >_______________________________________________ >Tora-develop mailing list >Tor...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop -- -------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA -------------------------------------- |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2003-11-17 16:06:51
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Don - I got the message "No available connection provider, plugins probably missing" when I didn't have ORACLE_HOME set up properly, but that's not your issue. Is the $HOME/.MacOSX/environment.plist property list read only when one first logs in? - Rick On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 10:55 AM, Don MacQueen wrote: > Hi, I'm missing something basic here. > > I downloaded Rick's binary from the link he provided (thanks!), and I > created the file $HOME/.MacOSX/environment.plist with the correct > value of ORACLE_HOME (/Users/oracle/9iR2/orahome). (Actually, I just > copied Rick's example file, and observed that it is correct for my > system) > > But when I double-click on the Tora app, I get the message "No > available connection provider, plugins probably missing." > > Since I didn't encounter this when I blindly built from sources, I > haven't a clue... > > FWIW, this is OS X 10.2.8(G5) > > Thanks > -Don > > At 8:21 PM -0500 11/16/03, Rick Hall wrote: >> Chris - >> >> A build of TOra 1.3.11 on MacOS X 10.2.6 is available at >> http://projects.rphall.com. Let me know if it works on Mac OS 10.3. >> >> I'll try to get TOra 1.3.12 up on the site tomorrow. >> >> - Rick Hall >> >> >> On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 04:02 AM, Chris Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>> On 16 Nov 2003, at 04:14, Rick Hall wrote: >>> >>>> Does the crash log for TOra provide any clues? On 10.2, I get to >>>> the crash log using the "Apple System Profiler, >>>> /Applications/Utilities/Apple\ System\ Profiler. The crash log >>>> should provide a stack trace. When I was debugging TOra on MacOS X >>>> 10.2, I used the stack trace and the GNU gdb debugger to hunt down >>>> a few problems. >>> >>> It seems to not be generating a crash log - I've observed an old >>> version of TOra (a 1.3.9.2 binary someone provided a while back) >>> crashing and generating a log, so I know crash logs are on and >>> working. The app does start, but just exits without doing anything >>> meaningful. >>> >>>> Would you be interested in trying a pre-built binary? I've a couple >>>> of binary versions that I've built under 10.2; I'd be interested in >>>> finding out whether they run without modification under 10.3. I >>>> could put the binaries up on my website if you're interested. >>> >>> I certainly would be interested, yes. Do you have a version which is >>> statically linked against Qt -- I didn't build the shared libqt-mt >>> when I installed it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris. >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC >> GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from >> any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! >> https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/ >> g22lp.tmpl >> _______________________________________________ >> Tora-develop mailing list >> Tor...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > > > -- > -------------------------------------- > Don MacQueen > Environmental Protection Department > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA, USA > -------------------------------------- > |
From: Don M. <ma...@ll...> - 2003-11-17 17:18:24
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Rick is correct. $HOME/.MacOSX/environment.plist is read at login time. This solved the problem. -Don At 11:06 AM -0500 11/17/03, Rick Hall wrote: >Don - > >I got the message "No available connection provider, plugins >probably missing" when I didn't have ORACLE_HOME set up properly, >but that's not your issue. > >Is the $HOME/.MacOSX/environment.plist property list read only when >one first logs in? > > - Rick > > >On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 10:55 AM, Don MacQueen wrote: > >>Hi, I'm missing something basic here. >> >>I downloaded Rick's binary from the link he provided (thanks!), and >>I created the file $HOME/.MacOSX/environment.plist with the correct >>value of ORACLE_HOME (/Users/oracle/9iR2/orahome). (Actually, I >>just copied Rick's example file, and observed that it is correct >>for my system) >> >>But when I double-click on the Tora app, I get the message "No >>available connection provider, plugins probably missing." >> >>Since I didn't encounter this when I blindly built from sources, I >>haven't a clue... >> >>FWIW, this is OS X 10.2.8(G5) >> >>Thanks >>-Don >> >>At 8:21 PM -0500 11/16/03, Rick Hall wrote: >>>Chris - >>> >>>A build of TOra 1.3.11 on MacOS X 10.2.6 is available at >>>http://projects.rphall.com. Let me know if it works on Mac OS 10.3. >>> >>>I'll try to get TOra 1.3.12 up on the site tomorrow. >>> >>> - Rick Hall >>> >>> >>>On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 04:02 AM, Chris Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On 16 Nov 2003, at 04:14, Rick Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>Does the crash log for TOra provide any clues? On 10.2, I get to >>>>>the crash log using the "Apple System Profiler, >>>>>/Applications/Utilities/Apple\ System\ Profiler. The crash log >>>>>should provide a stack trace. When I was debugging TOra on >>>>>MacOS X 10.2, I used the stack trace and the GNU gdb debugger to >>>>>hunt down a few problems. >>>> >>>>It seems to not be generating a crash log - I've observed an old >>>>version of TOra (a 1.3.9.2 binary someone provided a while back) >>>>crashing and generating a log, so I know crash logs are on and >>>>working. The app does start, but just exits without doing >>>>anything meaningful. >>>> >>>>>Would you be interested in trying a pre-built binary? I've a >>>>>couple of binary versions that I've built under 10.2; I'd be >>>>>interested in finding out whether they run without modification >>>>>under 10.3. I could put the binaries up on my website if you're >>>>>interested. >>>> >>>>I certainly would be interested, yes. Do you have a version which >>>>is statically linked against Qt -- I didn't build the shared >>>>libqt-mt when I installed it. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Chris. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC >>>GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from >>>any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! >>>https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Tora-develop mailing list >>>Tor...@li... >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >> >> >>-- >>-------------------------------------- >>Don MacQueen >>Environmental Protection Department >>Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory >>Livermore, CA, USA >>-------------------------------------- >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC >GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from >any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! >https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl >_______________________________________________ >Tora-develop mailing list >Tor...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop -- -------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA -------------------------------------- |