From: Nick <oin...@le...> - 2011-08-29 00:19:18
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Hello, I am looking for a good web-hosting service to use for a UK based Tiki site, and would like to canvas some recommendations. I noticed that 1&1 have TikiWiki listed in their list of "Click and Build" supported web applications, available for their webhosting packages: http://order.1and1.co.uk/xml/order/Hosting http://order.1and1.co.uk/xml/order/FeatureClickNBuild?__lf=Static#Wikis However, details of what this means are slim, and I suspect there may be hidden restrictions which I would only discover after paying to use them. I wonder, - What version(s) do they offer? - How are upgrades handled? If at all? - How are migrations of existing Tiki sites into their servers handled? - What technical support for users of these applications exist? - Can multiple domains be (virtualhosts) mapped to one instance of Tiki? - Could a development and production installation of Tiki be run in parallel, then switched simply? - What kind of backup and disaster recovery is available for Tiki? - What scope for customisation of themes and templates is there? So I would like to ask: has anyone here used this service, and are they able to comment on it? My end-users are a charity and won't need the latest and greatest so long as things work reliably and are not too complicated to manage. They don't want have to deal with a lot of technical stuff - in particular it would be good to avoid unnecessary upgrades. Therefore I intend to use the LTS version of TikiWiki. I should mention they already have a Tiki installation (a very old one), which is currently hosted in a Fasthosts bottom-of-the-range web-hosting package. This is sort of okay, but it will only support one domain (they will need three soon), and one database (even if I can manage to make one tiki instance run the three related domains, I would I would like to be able to run the old and the new upgraded site(s) in parallel, then switch the live domain to the new one using a small edit or directory rename; and I don't like the idea of installing two Tiki instances in one database if I can avoid it). The possibility of having the installation and upgrades managed for them appeals at one level, but on another makes me wonder if it is just another way I/they can get burnt by forces outside our control. I would want some good references before I totally trusted 1&1 to get it right. Also of course, if anyone can recommend somewhere else, so much the better. I was considering Hetzner Online, but based only on a recommendation from a user of their dedicated servers and the fact that they seem to offer what we need at a fairly competitive price: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/webhosting-produktmatrix Thanks, Nick ps. I did look at the page below, but clearly a lot of the information is ancient by web standards: http://tiki.org/Tiki+Friendly+Hosts#and1_1_amp_1_ |
From: Michael P. <mlp...@gm...> - 2011-08-29 19:32:22
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Hi Nick, unless you absolutely hate doing things via command prompts, i would recommend getting an svn install. (diy) see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=SVNTips i would assume it is a full install of tiki they use, maybe a recent version, but someday you will want some version control over the install you have and without svn, you are looking for headaches. check if 1&1 supports svn / allows shell access in your package and go that way. Even if i was never going to upgrade (unlikely) i would want svn to check if the install was intact. MLP On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Nick <oin...@le...> wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a good web-hosting service to use for a UK based Tiki site, and > would like to canvas some recommendations. > > I noticed that 1&1 have TikiWiki listed in their list of "Click and Build" > supported web applications, available for their webhosting packages: > > http://order.1and1.co.uk/xml/order/Hosting > http://order.1and1.co.uk/xml/order/FeatureClickNBuild?__lf=Static#Wikis > > However, details of what this means are slim, and I suspect there may be hidden > restrictions which I would only discover after paying to use them. I wonder, > > - What version(s) do they offer? > - How are upgrades handled? If at all? > - How are migrations of existing Tiki sites into their servers handled? > - What technical support for users of these applications exist? > - Can multiple domains be (virtualhosts) mapped to one instance of Tiki? > - Could a development and production installation of Tiki be run in parallel, > then switched simply? > - What kind of backup and disaster recovery is available for Tiki? > - What scope for customisation of themes and templates is there? > > > So I would like to ask: has anyone here used this service, and are they able to > comment on it? > > > My end-users are a charity and won't need the latest and greatest so long as > things work reliably and are not too complicated to manage. They don't want > have to deal with a lot of technical stuff - in particular it would be good to > avoid unnecessary upgrades. Therefore I intend to use the LTS version of TikiWiki. > > I should mention they already have a Tiki installation (a very old one), which > is currently hosted in a Fasthosts bottom-of-the-range web-hosting package. > This is sort of okay, but it will only support one domain (they will need three > soon), and one database (even if I can manage to make one tiki instance run the > three related domains, I would I would like to be able to run the old and the > new upgraded site(s) in parallel, then switch the live domain to the new one > using a small edit or directory rename; and I don't like the idea of installing > two Tiki instances in one database if I can avoid it). > > The possibility of having the installation and upgrades managed for them appeals > at one level, but on another makes me wonder if it is just another way I/they > can get burnt by forces outside our control. I would want some good references > before I totally trusted 1&1 to get it right. > > > Also of course, if anyone can recommend somewhere else, so much the better. I > was considering Hetzner Online, but based only on a recommendation from a user > of their dedicated servers and the fact that they seem to offer what we need at > a fairly competitive price: > > http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/webhosting-produktmatrix > > > Thanks, > > Nick > > ps. > > I did look at the page below, but clearly a lot of the information is ancient by > web standards: > > http://tiki.org/Tiki+Friendly+Hosts#and1_1_amp_1_ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-users mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-users > -- Michael Pilling HighProductivity.ca Office: 807 285 5567 Mobile: 807 777 0886 Toll free: 1 888 882 2887 |
From: Nick <oin...@le...> - 2011-08-29 21:58:09
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On 29/08/11 20:32, Michael Pilling wrote: > unless you absolutely hate doing things via command prompts, i would > recommend getting an svn install. Actually I much prefer command line prompts - I might even be tempted to use git-svn - but I am a relatively busy, expensive freelance techie, and my aim is to make the Tiki installation as low-maintenance as possible for the users with minimal intervention from me. However, using a version controlled checkout from the Tiki repository is a good idea, I will add svn to the list of things I want the host to provide. I have a feeling that expecting 1&1's upgrade policy will be about as salubrious as Ryanair's. N |
From: Michael P. <mlp...@gm...> - 2011-08-30 15:57:46
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Nick <oin...@le...> wrote: > On 29/08/11 20:32, Michael Pilling wrote: >> unless you absolutely hate doing things via command prompts, i would >> recommend getting an svn install. > > Actually I much prefer command line prompts - I might even be tempted to use > git-svn - but I am a relatively busy, expensive freelance techie, and my aim is > to make the Tiki installation as low-maintenance as possible for the users with > minimal intervention from me. Sounds like the svn is ideal then. you should be able to get to "hello world" in a half hour. From there it is up to the "power user" to configure - which will take a while depending on their use. Bottom line is you don't have to worry about the quirks of some 3rd party installer. MLP > However, using a version controlled checkout from the Tiki repository is a good > idea, I will add svn to the list of things I want the host to provide. > > I have a feeling that expecting 1&1's upgrade policy will be about as salubrious > as Ryanair's. > > N > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! > Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better > price-free! And you'll get a free "Love Thy Logs" t-shirt when you > download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-users mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-users > -- Michael Pilling HighProductivity.ca Office: 807 285 5567 Mobile: 807 777 0886 Toll free: 1 888 882 2887 |