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From: Ramona B. <bu...@it...> - 2009-03-17 08:57:23
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***************************** * SUE-Newsletter March 2009 * ***************************** SUE is short for Screenreader & Usability Extensions, an effort to make screen reading on Linux more usable. SUE is based on the former Linux Screen Reader (LSR), an excellent platform for all kinds of assistive applications. SUE itself is the first of those assistive applications, namely a screen reader for graphical user interfaces on the GNOME desktop. SUE is available either from SVN trunk or in version 0.4.0 from our download section at Sourceforge.net. Documentation including installation instructions may also be found at http://sue.sourceforge.net. * New functions in SUE: *********************** * Realisation of the new output concept: Up to now the scripting of SUE was almost exclusively concentrated on speech output. We developed a new output concept for SUE, which does not burden the script writer unnecessarily with always considering all possible output devices. The concept was implemented over the last two months and, as a first result, we already see more detailed output on the Braille display. Please be aware of some substantial changes in the scripts. This time after the update and reintalling SUE you need to delete the hidden folder .sue in your home directory. Then start SUE. This has the effect that all user profiles with the correct scripts are rebuild. Please let us know if you run into any trouble in the process. * Bugfixes: *********** Bug: SUE reads the list of open applications on the key command (Alt +Shift+F11). With no applications open, the command did not produce any output at all. Now the user gets a respective message. Bug: The Trash button in the bottom expanded edge panel can now be read by SUE. Bug: The SUE shell command 'sue -y "string"' sends the given string to the speech engine. An error in loading the SUE settings in the method SUEMain.say() prevented this. The error was fixed and the command works again. Bug: If one of the standard user profiles provided by SUE was deleted, all standard profiles were restored to their standard settings. Now only the deleted profile will be restored. Bug: The text attributes like font weight, font size etc. could not be read for selected text. SUE just read the attributes for the text at the caret. Now the correct text attributes are send to the output devices. * Current work: *************** . The enhancement of the Braille output continues. . We are also working on a new Braille monitor, which uses the compiz window manager. . Implementation of the large-print monitor continues along with contrast/color filter generators for Compiz/ eZoom. . The script for Firefox support still needs more work. . The SUE documentation is about to be re-structured and updated. If you are intrested in testing SUE but experience problems at any point, please don't hesitate to send a message to this mailing list. If you find a bug, you may add it to our bug tracker on SourceForge.net or send an e-mail with your bug description to sue...@it.... A few notes on how to submit a bug in either of those ways and which information to include are available on both our project wiki at http://www.sue-projekt.de (in German) and our documentation page at SourceForge.net (in English). To request a feature, you may use the same means of communication. Thanks a lot for your tests, comments, and feedback! The SUE team -- Ramona Bunk SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-69 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: bu...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Mgr. J. C. <ch...@ph...> - 2009-03-13 15:59:13
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Dear core developers of SUE,
Yes, i will very glad to translate Sue messages to Czech language. But
please, give me some instructions.
How to translate The messages? And which text editor will support saving in
unicode and will not corrupt file by adding carriage return and line feed
characters?
I AM ready to start translating. Should i edit The file
in The subfolder \po
with The name
en_GB.po
Thank You for Your ansver. I have Tieman Braille Voyager USB connected
braille display with 44 cels, so i can also debug Braille related issues. I
Am very glad, that i can cooperate with Your development team.
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2009-03-13 13:51:40
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Dear Janusz, > But Czech specific > characters are not correctly pronounced by Espeak. This problem is fixed now. Please do a svn update in your /sue folder and go through the ./configure, make, make install procedure again. Czech special characters should then be pronounced correctly. By the way: Would you like to add to the czech translation of SUE? Currently the translation is only about 13% done, so you probably encounter more english words than czech. > Your development team has made alot of work, because i > have original LSR and source code on my computer to. You have added > new dialog boxes, TABS and functions and keybinding features are > working very well, including ammazing function mute speech, which can > be activated by pressing LEFt and right control. Very good idea. Thank you for your praise. We know there's still a lot to do to turn SUE into a full screen reader, but we're happy to hear someone appreciating our effort. > Sue support for Mozilla Firefox is being probably in The > development, SUE is teeling me scan complete but probably navigation > keys will be added later. Webbrowser support is crucial and while we're still working on it, we're hoping to be able to provide an efficient algorithm soon. We have tried a few approaches but so far, but none of them satisfied our and your needs. > So i think, that SUe project is very good and i will be very like to test > it and help with it's debugging. Thank you very much! We look forward to reading from you and expect your bug reports. Regards, Martina -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2009-03-13 13:10:58
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Dear Janusz, we're glad to hear that you were able to install SUE. So, first of all: You may open the SUE settings dialog using (Alt+Shift+F2). Play around! We look forward receiving your feedback! Regarding spreadsheet support: It is on our list to provide a usable spreadsheet support and we have had some preliminary thoughts on which behaviour we would like to see in SUE. Reading the contents of a cell and not only the name if it is, of course, very important. Currently we are mainly concentrating on improving the output complexity, especially in view of Braille output. Once this is done, spreadsheet support is at the top of our list. We look forward to hearing your ideas on how tables should be read in a usable manner. Apart from that, maybe you would like to try to write your own script for Openoffice Calc support? As you may expect from other screen readers, support for specific applications in SUE may be added by writing a script for it. We have once started to write a tutorial on how to write scripts for SUE, which is in German, I am afraid, but we would, of course, provide you with all necessary information. Regarding speech support in SUE: Speech support is one of the main topics of our work. As you have recognized, it is pretty slow and stuttering. We are therefore working on an improved speech output (possibly using speech-dispatcher, pulseaudio, and Alsa). We are planning to include multi-channel output (should be done sometime this summer) and some extras (to be implemented afterwards). Hope this helps! Regards, Martina Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Dear core developers of SUE, > > I would like to inform You, that i sucessfully installed SUE to my > Ubuntu intrepid distro. I can use all features, eventhough support > for Gnomespeech services and Espeak is slov, time betveeen key stroke > and Espeak speech is longer than one second. > > I would like to give You some tips for integration with > Speech-dispatcher. Please try to make reliable algorithm, better than > in The Orca. Because in The Orca, eventhough speech-dispatcher is > installed, properly configured, and Python API interface for > Speech-dispatcher python-speechd'. is correctly installed. Orca can > enable users to use Speech-dispatcher, but when user is choosing this > module, Orca is always using Gnomespeech services. So users must > uninstall Gnomespeech to use Speech-dispatcher. > > Unfortunately, it will be very complex to debug some situations, > while Speech-dispatcher is causing random crashes and will stop to > work. The onlyone solution, which I Am currently know is to use OSS > audio server, eventhough i do not like this solution, because users > can not use multichannel sound output, and some sound carts are not > supported by OSS audio server. > > To debug this, it is necessary to intensively test Speech-dispatcher > with ALSa audio server and enable debug log for Speech-dispatcher and > to inform core developers of this module. > > Next pleasment, could You try to develope algorithms, which could > enable visually impaired users to use .xls table in Openoffice > Spreadsheet application? > > This table is not supported by all screen readers, only Javs can > tell, in The which cells is stored comment and user must be placed > on The right cell, in other case, also feature for displaing comments > in Javs will not work. > > I would like to hear not only cell and line number, but i would like > to hear The values, which i should write to The specific column and > line. > > Only openoffice ORG spreadsheet is able to atleast correctly navigate > between lines and cells, so up arrow key will really decrease The > line number. > > I will send The table to The MR Zenker. > > I would like to deeply appreciate Your development team, if You would > atleast try to find The cause, why this table is so not accessible. > > Last pleasment? > > Which keyboard shortcut is used for displaing SUE settings dialog > window? > > Thank You very much. > > The kindness regards. > > Janusz Chmiel > -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Mgr. J. C. <ch...@ph...> - 2009-03-12 21:06:49
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Dear core developers of SUE,
I would like to please You for necessary repair, because Czech characters are not sended correctly to Espeak CS synthesizer. Algorithm for detecting language and for svitching to The right Espeak voice is working reliably and is OK. But Czech specific characters are not correctly pronounced by Espeak.
It will be necessary to modifi IBM LSR module, from which You are outcoming. Your development team has made alot of work, because i have original LSR and source code on my computer to. You have added new dialog boxes, TABS and functions and keybinding features are working very well, including ammazing function mute speech, which can be activated by pressing LEFt and right control. Very good idea.
Sue support for Mozilla Firefox is being probably in The development, SUE is teeling me scan complete but probably navigation keys will be added later. I also tried braille support in tables in The Openoffice ORG, it worked. Rewieving commands are not crashing crashes, so there are good algorithms used.
So installation of SUE can be performed without troubles, but The users of Ubuntu Intrepid must install components listed in The readme file, in other case there will be crash during ./configure command or make command.
But Espeak is being detected and also braille display. User have to start Brltty, but everythink else is working very well. I was able to use Nautilus, PC man file manager all dialog Windows, TABS and controls were accessible, including list of files and folders. So i think, that SUe project is very good and i will be very like to test it and help with it's debugging.
I wisch You a nice night.
The kindness regards.
Janusz Chmiel
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From: Mgr. J. C. <ch...@ph...> - 2009-03-12 07:48:05
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Dear core developers of SUE,
I would like to inform You, that i sucessfully installed SUE to my Ubuntu intrepid distro. I can use all features, eventhough support for Gnomespeech services and Espeak is slov, time betveeen key stroke and Espeak speech is longer than one second.
I would like to give You some tips for integration with Speech-dispatcher. Please try to make reliable algorithm, better than in The Orca. Because in The Orca, eventhough speech-dispatcher is installed, properly configured, and Python API interface for Speech-dispatcher python-speechd'.
is correctly installed. Orca can enable users to use Speech-dispatcher, but when user is choosing this module, Orca is always using Gnomespeech services. So users must uninstall Gnomespeech to use Speech-dispatcher.
Unfortunately, it will be very complex to debug some situations, while Speech-dispatcher is causing random crashes and will stop to work. The onlyone solution, which I Am currently know is to use OSS audio server, eventhough i do not like this solution, because users can not use multichannel sound output, and some sound carts are not supported by OSS audio server.
To debug this, it is necessary to intensively test Speech-dispatcher with ALSa audio server and enable debug log for Speech-dispatcher and to inform core developers of this module.
Next pleasment, could You try to develope algorithms, which could enable visually impaired users to use .xls table in Openoffice Spreadsheet application?
This table is not supported by all screen readers, only Javs can tell, in The which cells is stored comment and user must be placed on The right cell, in other case, also feature for displaing comments in Javs will not work.
I would like to hear not only cell and line number, but i would like to hear The values, which i should write to The specific column and line.
Only openoffice ORG spreadsheet is able to atleast correctly navigate between lines and cells, so up arrow key will really decrease The line number.
I will send The table to The MR Zenker.
I would like to deeply appreciate Your development team, if You would atleast try to find The cause, why this table is so not accessible.
Last pleasment?
Which keyboard shortcut is used for displaing SUE settings dialog window?
Thank You very much.
The kindness regards.
Janusz Chmiel
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2009-03-11 15:30:06
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Dear Janusz, welcome to the SUE mailing list! Would you mind subscribing to it? You may do so at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sue-list One advantage of subscribing to this list is to receive our monthly newsletter :) Ubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) is the minimum requirement to run SUE, but you may also install Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex (8.10) or even Jaunty Jackalope if you're brave ;) Please try to install SUE according to our installation guide. With Ubuntu 8.10 or 9.04, no additional packages should be required. If you have any problems during your installation, please write to this mailing list again to let us know. If possible, please include any error messages you may get. If things go well, speech will come up immeadiately when you start SUE. You mentioned you were using live CDs. We recommend using live USB sticks (which should be at least 4 GB in size), if your computer can boot from a USB stick. For digging deeper into SUE, however, we recommend installing Ubuntu on your computer. Hope this helps and hope to hear from you again soon! Regards, Martina Mgr. Janusz Chmiel schrieb: > Dear core developers of Sue, > > I Am ready to deeply cooperate with Your development team like a tester. I Am ready to debug SUE in various Gnome applications, Openoffice ORG, Spread sheets, and other similar programs. > > I will install Sue from The trunk in The evening today, because now I will go to A job. I installed Ubuntu Hardy heron, because in the readme file You were write, that Sue is developed in The Ubuntu hardy heron distro. > > I know about ubuntu Jaunty development LIVE CDS, but i think, that will be better to test SUE with official releases of Ubuntu. > > I was not able to try Sue, install it while booting from A Debian Leny Gnome-live CD, ./configure or ./autogen.sh produced error message. > > So please, if i will successfully finish installation of Sue, how to start it to hear The speech? > > Thank You again. > > The kindness regards. > > Janusz Chmiel > -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Mgr. J. C. <ch...@ph...> - 2009-03-11 11:46:35
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Dear core developers of Sue,
I Am ready to deeply cooperate with Your development team like a tester. I Am ready to debug SUE in various Gnome applications, Openoffice ORG, Spread sheets, and other similar programs.
I will install Sue from The trunk in The evening today, because now I will go to A job. I installed Ubuntu Hardy heron, because in the readme file You were write, that Sue is developed in The Ubuntu hardy heron distro.
I know about ubuntu Jaunty development LIVE CDS, but i think, that will be better to test SUE with official releases of Ubuntu.
I was not able to try Sue, install it while booting from A Debian Leny Gnome-live CD, ./configure or ./autogen.sh produced error message.
So please, if i will successfully finish installation of Sue, how to start it to hear The speech?
Thank You again.
The kindness regards.
Janusz Chmiel
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2009-02-17 11:59:06
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******************************** * SUE-Newsletter February 2009 * ******************************** SUE is short for Screenreader & Usability Extensions, an effort to make screen reading on Linux more usable. SUE is based on the former Linux Screen Reader (LSR), an excellent platform for all kinds of assistive applications. SUE itself is the first of those assistive applications, namely a screenreader for graphical user interfaces on the GNOME desktop. SUE is available from either from SVN trunk or in version 0.4.0 from our download section at sourceforge.net. Documentation including installation instructions may also be found at http://sue.sourceforge.net. * Bugfixes: *********** Bug: An error occurred when starting SUE from the console with more than one parameter. This was due to faulty parameter treatment in SUEMain and is fixed now. Bug: Due to an incorrect call to a local variable, log files written for SUE were not closed properly. Fixed. Log files are closed properly now. Bug: A typo in AEEventManager prevented a method from being called from within another method. Fixed. Oh well, typos happen... Bug: Oops, a direct pyatspi call in our ViewChange class. Corrected via encapsulation. Bug: Alt+Shift+F11 (Announcement of all active applications) remained silent, when there was no active application in the list. Fixed. There's a proper message now. * Current work: *************** We are as busy as bees working on SUE to provide better and better support. Two more interns have joined our team. They are currently familiarizing themselves with the code and are implementing smaller stuff before they'll get to do the cool things :) Also: . The Braille output implementation continues. Additionally, the Braille monitor will be revised and extended. . The script for Firefox support still needs more work. . Implementation of the large-print monitor continues along with contrast/color filter generators for Compiz/ eZoom. . The SUE documentation is about to be re-structured and updated. If you are intrested in testing SUE but experience problems at any point, please don't hesitate to send a message to this mailing list. If you find a bug, you may add it to our bug tracker on SourceForge.net or send an e-mail with your bug description to sue...@it... A few notes on how to submit a bug in either of those ways and which information to include are available on both our project wiki at http://www.sue-projekt.de (in German) and our documentation page at SourceForge-net (in English). To request a feature, you may use the same means of communication. Thanks a lot for your tests, comments, and feedback! The SUE team -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2009-01-19 08:16:24
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****************************** * SUE-Newsletter January 2009 * ****************************** SUE is short for Screenreader & Usability Extensions, an effort to make screen reading on Linux more usable. SUE is based on the former Linux Screen Reader (LSR), an excellent platform for all kinds of assistive applications. SUE itself is the first of those assistive applications, namely a screenreader for graphical user interfaces on the GNOME desktop. SUE is available from either from SVN trunk or in version 0.4.0 from our download section at sourceforge.net. Documentation including installation instructions may also be found at http://sue.sourceforge.net. * New features and functions for SUE: ************************************* * Keycommands: . Two different applications may now register the same key command. * Gedit: . A new key command (Alt+CapsLock+Arrow down) will now invoke the document statistics after the respective dialog was opened (Menu item Tools > Document statistics). * Bugfixes: *********** Bug: When trying to uninstall or delete a profile via gnome-terminal, SUE aborted those actions with an error message. This bug was fixed in SUEMain.confirmRemove(). Bug: Word echo functionality was fixed. When word echo was activated, SUE read 'space' instead of the word. Now SUE says the word. Bug: Sometimes the settings chooser could not be opened a second time during a SUE session. The problem was a flawed closing prozess of the chooser. The first instance of the settings chooser forstalled the creation of a second instance. Bug: Selected text that contained certain characters, for example a new line, was not correctly read. The problem was due to a flawed parameter transfer in the BasicSpeechScript method delayedExec(). Bug: SUE doesn't read list items in OpenOffice. The ListAdapter was extended to react upon selections (active-descendant-changed events), so list items are now read. * Current work: *************** . Work on the script for Firefox support continues. . A script to support Gnome help is in progress. . The implementation of the Braille output concept continues. . The main settings dialog will be remodelled over the next months. . Tests and improvements for OpenOffice Writer support and for customized key settings continue. . The concept for a user-friendly contrast/color filter generator was established und will be implemented now. . A large-print monitor is about to be implemented to improve the magnification software Enhanced Zoom Desktop within the Compiz window manager. . The SUE documentation will be re-structured and updated to provide better insight and help. If you are intrested in testing SUE but experience problems at any point, please don't hesitate to send a message to this mailing list. If you find a bug, you may add it to our bug tracker on SourceForge.net or send an e-mail with your bug description to sue...@it... A few notes on how to submit a bug in either of those ways and which information to include are available on both our project wiki at http://www.sue-projekt.de (in German) and our documentation page at SourceForge-net (in English). To request a feature, you may use the same means of communication. Thanks a lot for your tests, comments, and feedback! The SUE team -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Gerhard J. <ja...@sz...> - 2008-12-18 07:59:31
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Dear Nicolle, you can do the following: apt-get upgrade apt-get install openoffice.org If it does not fit you have to wait 1 or 2 days and try it again. Please ask, if you have other questions. Best Regards Gerhard. Am Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 07:26:54AM +0100 schrieb Nicole Anacker: > Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 15:43 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Stoeger: > > Dear listers, > > thanks to all of oyu who gave me advice on the problem of installing > > OOO 3 on ubuntu. > > Gerhard, I appended your two lines to my sources.list, and I did a > > > > sudo apt-get update, and > > sudo apt-get upgrade > > > > There were indeed several new packages installed, but my OOO version > > is still 2.4. > > What can I do? > > With best regards, > > Bernhard > > > > > Best Regards, > Nicole > > -- > Nicole Anacker > > Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im Projekt SUE > Screenreader & Usability Extensions > http://sue.sourceforge.net > > IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH > Circus 14 > D-18581 Putbus > > Tel: +49(0)38301 8829-75 > Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 > eMail: an...@it... > Web: www.it-science-center.de > > Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettman, > Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder > Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 > USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. > The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help > pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SUE-list mailing list > SUE...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sue-list -- ======================================- Dipl. Inform.: Gerhard Jaworek wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Studienzentrum fuer Sehgeschaedigte Universitaet Karlsruhe Engesserstr. 4 76128 Karlsruhe Deutschland Tel: +49 (0)721 608 4301 ======================================== |
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From: Nicole A. <an...@it...> - 2008-12-18 06:27:03
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Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 15:43 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Stoeger: > Dear listers, > thanks to all of oyu who gave me advice on the problem of installing > OOO 3 on ubuntu. > Gerhard, I appended your two lines to my sources.list, and I did a > > sudo apt-get update, and > sudo apt-get upgrade > > There were indeed several new packages installed, but my OOO version > is still 2.4. > What can I do? > With best regards, > Bernhard Best Regards, Nicole -- Nicole Anacker Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im Projekt SUE Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Tel: +49(0)38301 8829-75 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 eMail: an...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettman, Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: frank z. <ze...@it...> - 2008-12-17 16:23:08
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Hi Bernhard, we are glad to hear that the installation has become easier. If Sue is work with you, everything is in order. During the installation process by "sudo make install" the file global.installed is automatically generated under/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sue, and the second file you asked for (sue.mo) is copied to /usr/local/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES. There should exist an actual sue.mo with the time stamp of the installation time. If this is not the case, please do again the installation command with output redirection as follows: sudo make install > output 2> &1 and send us these output file. Then we can also see any warnings. Thanks, Frank Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 15:06 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Stoeger: > Dear experts, > I now installed the new sue with maekfiles from svn - it is great, really easier to do than it was. > Altough, as I could see from first tests, sue is working, I found two strange things: > 1. In the sue/src directory, there is no global.installed file any more. > 2. the sue.mo file in the /usr/shared/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES is still from November 10 - so, the make process did not update it. > > Are these two observations of relevance, or did you define other locations for the files? > I am a little concerned, because the "make install" produced serveral warnings - unfortunately, I could not read them. > > Nonetheless, I am happy with the new way of installing sue. > With kind regards, > Bernhard > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. > The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help > pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SUE-list mailing list > SUE...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sue-list -- --- --- --- --- --- --- Dipl.-Inf. Frank Zenker SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: ze...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettmann Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Bernhard S. <Ber...@jk...> - 2008-12-17 14:07:06
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Dear experts, I now installed the new sue with maekfiles from svn - it is great, really easier to do than it was. Altough, as I could see from first tests, sue is working, I found two strange things: 1. In the sue/src directory, there is no global.installed file any more. 2. the sue.mo file in the /usr/shared/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES is still from November 10 - so, the make process did not update it. Are these two observations of relevance, or did you define other locations for the files? I am a little concerned, because the "make install" produced serveral warnings - unfortunately, I could not read them. Nonetheless, I am happy with the new way of installing sue. With kind regards, Bernhard |
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2008-12-15 15:49:48
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********************************* * SUE-Newsletter December 2008 * ********************************* SUE is short for Screenreader & Usability Extensions, an effort to make screen reading on Linux more usable. SUE is based on the former Linux Screen Reader (LSR), an excellent platform for all kinds of assistive applications. SUE itself is the first of those assistive applications, namely a screenreader for graphical user interfaces on the GNOME desktop. SUE is available from either from SVN trunk or in version 0.4.0 from our download section at sourceforge.net. Documentation including installation instructions may also be found at http://sue.sourceforge.net. * New features and functions for SUE: ************************************* * General: . We have released SUE version 0.4.0, our second prototype. It supports OpenOffice Writer, flexible keybindings, and much more. . SUE provides make files for an easy installation. . Within the SUE settings dialog you may now choose your own hotkeys for SUE and/or change modifier keys. * OpenOffice Writer: . Upon opening the Navigator or styles and formatting dialog windows, SUE now focuses those dialogs automatically for immediate interaction. * Magnification: . SUE now integrates the Compiz window manager which provides plugins for magnification and colour filtering. A description on how to use Compiz with SUE is available in German in our project wiki (www.sue-projekt.de, 3.4.2 Einstellungen). An English version will follow soon. * Bugfixes: *********** Bug: When calling 'sudo make install' during the installation process for SUE, a second AT-SPI process and a second Bonobo registry were started. We have cleaned up the import statements and therefore fixed this bug. Bug 2262822: Upon pressing ESC in the SUE Quit Dialog, SUE used to quit anyway. This is now fixed and the action is cancelled as expected. Bug 2107097: When returning to the open SUE search chooser, the last search string was not selected which was not the expected behavior. This is fixed. The search string is selected and may immediately be overwritten by a new one. * Current work: *************** . Work on the script for Firefox support continues. . The concept for the Braille output improvements was established and will now be implemented. . The concept for the improved main settings dialog was defined and will be realized step by step over the next months. . Tests and improvements for OpenOffice Writer support. . Tests and improvements for customized key settings. If you are interested in testing SUE but experience problems at any point, please don't hesitate to send a message to this mailing list. If you find a bug, you may add it to our bug tracker on SourceForge.net or send an e-mail with your bug description to sue...@it... A few notes on how to submit a bug in either of those ways and which information to include are available on both our project wiki at http://www.sue-projekt.de (in German) and our documentation page at SourceForge.net (in English). To request a feature, you may use the same means of communication. Thanks a lot for your tests, comments, and feedback! Merry Christmas! The SUE team -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Gunther Dettmann, Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Nicole A. <an...@it...> - 2008-12-15 12:20:59
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Dear Bernhard, Am Montag, den 15.12.2008, 10:26 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Stoeger: > Dear sue experts, > I want to test sue, and orca, with OpenOffice Writer, and I have two > questions about that: That is great. > First: Which version is appropriate? > On the ubuntu standard tree, we still have OOO Version 2; however, I > do know that accessibility support was greatly improved with Version > 3. In particular, they have now a switch in the "tools / options" > where ehnanced accessibility support is activated: So my question: Is > ist already worthwile to test sue with OOO 3.0? The best version is the current one - so use OpenOffice 3.0. They made many improvements and it works better. > Does sue make use of the new accessibility support introduced in Version 3? > Second: If these questions are answered "yes": What is the easiest way > to instal OOO 3 on an ubuntu? On which Ubuntu version do you work? If you work on Ubuntu Intrepid, then you can use Gerhards sources.list-file. If you work on Ubuntu Hardy: 1. Download OpenOffice 3.0: http://de.openoffice.org/downloads/quick.html?version=3.0.0 or the direct Link: http://borft.student.utwente.nl/~adrian/torrentphp/torrent.php/OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_de_deb.tar.gz.torrent 2. Deinstall old OpenOffice version 3. Unpack Installationsfiles tar -xzvf {path}/OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_de_deb.tar.gz 4. Install the deb-Packages go in the unpacked DEBS-folder (cd ../DEBS) and install the packages (dpkg -i -R *.deb) > Thanks in advance for your answers, > with greetings of the season, from > Bernhard Best Regards, Nicole. -- Nicole Anacker Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im Projekt SUE Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Tel: +49(0)38301 8829-75 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 eMail: an...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettman, Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Malte T. <Malte.Timmermann@Sun.COM> - 2008-12-15 10:48:44
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And I would like to add: The option in tools/options/accessibility was there since version 1.1, assuming you talk about the "AT support" check box. This is only used/needed on Windows, so you probably didn't notice it because of using Linux.. Malte. Gerhard Jaworek wrote, On 12/15/08 11:11: > Dear Bernhard, > > Since the end of October I use Ubuntu 8.10 together with OO3. > I think it worsk well and propper. > > After the last updates last week I have sometimes a problem to start it. > Sometimes my whole X-Server crashes. I am sure, that it not depends on SUE > because I have the same with Orca. > OO3 together with SUE and Speech works better than orca. > > I enjoy it very much. > > Best Regards > > Gerhard. > -- Malte Timmermann <Mal...@su...> Sun Microsystems GmbH Technical Architect Software Engineering Nagelsweg 55 http://blogs.sun.com/malte 20097 Hamburg, Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering |
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From: Gerhard J. <ja...@sz...> - 2008-12-15 10:16:20
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#deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/ intrepid main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. # deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse # deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu ## users. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse # OO 3 deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main -- ======================================- Dipl. Inform.: Gerhard Jaworek wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Studienzentrum fuer Sehgeschaedigte Universitaet Karlsruhe Engesserstr. 4 76128 Karlsruhe Deutschland Tel: +49 (0)721 608 4301 ======================================== |
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From: Gerhard J. <ja...@sz...> - 2008-12-15 10:15:14
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Dear Bernhard again,
Here I sent you my sources.list-file.
The last two lines of it contain repositories for OO3.
Add them to your sources.list. You find this file in /etc/apt/
After editin become root and type
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade.
It should work.
Greetings
Gerhard.
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Dipl. Inform.: Gerhard Jaworek
wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Studienzentrum fuer Sehgeschaedigte
Universitaet Karlsruhe
Engesserstr. 4
76128 Karlsruhe
Deutschland
Tel: +49 (0)721 608 4301
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From: Gerhard J. <ja...@sz...> - 2008-12-15 10:11:42
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Dear Bernhard,
Since the end of October I use Ubuntu 8.10 together with OO3.
I think it worsk well and propper.
After the last updates last week I have sometimes a problem to start it.
Sometimes my whole X-Server crashes. I am sure, that it not depends on SUE
because I have the same with Orca.
OO3 together with SUE and Speech works better than orca.
I enjoy it very much.
Best Regards
Gerhard.
--
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Dipl. Inform.: Gerhard Jaworek
wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Studienzentrum fuer Sehgeschaedigte
Universitaet Karlsruhe
Engesserstr. 4
76128 Karlsruhe
Deutschland
Tel: +49 (0)721 608 4301
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From: Bernhard S. <Ber...@jk...> - 2008-12-15 09:26:51
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Dear sue experts, I want to test sue, and orca, with OpenOffice Writer, and I have two questions about that: First: Which version is appropriate? On the ubuntu standard tree, we still have OOO Version 2; however, I do know that accessibility support was greatly improved with Version 3. In particular, they have now a switch in the "tools / options" where ehnanced accessibility support is activated: So my question: Is ist already worthwile to test sue with OOO 3.0? Does sue make use of the new accessibility support introduced in Version 3? Second: If these questions are answered "yes": What is the easiest way to instal OOO 3 on an ubuntu? Thanks in advance for your answers, with greetings of the season, from Bernhard |
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From: Martina W. <we...@it...> - 2008-11-15 19:44:19
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********************************* * SUE-Newsletter November 2008 * ********************************* SUE is short for Screenreader & Usability Extensions, an effort to make screen reading on Linux more usable. SUE is based on the former Linux Screen Reader (LSR), an excellent platform for all kinds of assistive applications. SUE itself is the first of those assistive applications, namely a screenreader for graphical user interfaces on the GNOME desktop. SUE is available either from SVN trunk or from the stable 0.3.1 branch. Documentation including installation instructions may be found at http://sue.sourceforge.net * New features and functions for SUE: ************************************* * General: . Querying text attributes using (Alt+Shift+f) was improved: .. The first call yields standard formatting attributes (such as font and font size). In OpenOffice, the name of the template will be announced as well. .. On the second call, SUE announces the text colour. .. On the third call, all text attributes will be read. . Leaving or closing windows is announced while applications seem to randomly loose focus. We'll look into this some more. * OpenOffice Writer: . The new OfficeScript provides the following functionality: .. Support for menus and dialogs, the template, and Navigator window (F5) which provides document navigation by element category. .. When navigating through a document, template changes are announced from one paragraph to the next. .. The key command (Alt+CapsLock+i) enables jumping between search field and content in the Help window. * Bugfixes: *********** Bug 2191589: Pressing (Alt+CapsLock+n) for reporting the number of e-mails produced an error. Fixed. EvolutionScript now correctly reports the number of shown e-mails. The problem was the result of an erroneous function call. Bug 2107030: Search results in Evolution were unreliably announced. This bug could not be reproduced anymore and seems to be fixed in connection with other changes in the script. Bug 2276341: SUE entered an endless loop, when it tried to exit while speech was hanging. The flawed method was fixed. Bug: SUE did not identify the language locale correctly when choosing eSpeak voices. This is now fixed. SUE only uses voices for the correct locale now. Bug: SUE did not empty the output cache for speech when shutting off speech. This bug was due to a confusion of two function calls. Bug: OpenOffice provides a value range for all elements including e.g. buttons. If this value range is 0.0 to 1.0 with a step of 1, it is no longer announced as it concerns an element with only two states (yes/no). Bug: An error occurred on SUE's Braille monitor upon markup parsing due to incomplete entity references, i.e. when the text to be displayed contained '&' or '<'. Fixed. Entities are parsed before markup is parsed and set. * Current work: *************** . Documentation for the OpenOffice Script will be added within the next weeks. . Work on the script for Firefox support continues. A first version will be available with the next prototype at the end of November. . The work on magnification support was paused due to issues with higher priority, but will continue at the end of November. . The concept for Braille output improvements was established and awaits implementation. . The concept for the improved main settings dialog was defined and will be realized step by step over the next few months. . Last improvements and documentation for the CommandChooser are made, before it will be released for testing. . SUE is about to be localized to Hungarian. If you are intrested in testing SUE but experience problems at any point, please don't hesitate to send a message to this mailing list. If you find a bug, you may add it to our bug tracker on SourceForge.net or send an e-mail with your bug description to sue...@it... A few notes on how to submit a bug in either of those ways and which information to include are available on both our project wiki at http://www.sue-projekt.de (in German) and our documentation page at SourceForge.net (in English). To request a feature, you may use the same means of communication. Thanks a lot for your tests, comments, and feedback! The SUE team -- Martina Weicht SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-65 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: we...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettmann, Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Ramona B. <bu...@it...> - 2008-11-11 15:06:49
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Am Montag, den 10.11.2008, 17:35 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Stoeger: > > Thank you for reporting this problem with the braille device. We already > > found the error and fixed it. Braille should work again with the svn > > revision 478 of SUE. Please write again, if you still have problems. > Perfect, it does work again now! > > Now on to your second problem. The functionality is there, but it seems > > to me your SUE does not know that yet. Please try the following command > > (from the sue source directory sue/src): > > ./sue --init-global > I issue this command every time I do an update, and before it, I delete the .sue directory and the sue/src/global.installed file. Is it really necessary to do it with every update? These steps are only necessary with some of the changes we make. At the end of november SUE will have makefiles which will be easier to handle for the user. > > After that you should find a setting in the SUE settings dialog (call it > > with Alt+Shift+F2) on the page tab "scripts" in the SUEScript. Here you > > can set the option 'Show a confirmation dialog upon SUE shutdown?'. > Bingo, this setting, which was unknown to me, now solves the problem. > However, there is still an error remaining: When the dialog appears, and I press the Escape key, then sue will be terminated anyway. I filed a bug report for this error (Bug ID: 2262822). It will hopefully be fixed soon. Thanks for reporting it :) > > Thank you very much for testing SUE and reporting your test results. I > > hope we could help you. > Absolutely! > Have a nice evening, and continue your great work with sue. > Best greetings, from > Bernhard > Many Greetings to Austria from the SUE team -- Ramona Bunk SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-69 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: bu...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettmann, Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Ramona B. <bu...@it...> - 2008-11-10 15:52:52
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Hello Bernhard, Thank you for reporting this problem with the braille device. We already found the error and fixed it. Braille should work again with the svn revision 478 of SUE. Please write again, if you still have problems. Now on to your second problem. The functionality is there, but it seems to me your SUE does not know that yet. Please try the following command (from the sue source directory sue/src): ./sue --init-global After that you should find a setting in the SUE settings dialog (call it with Alt+Shift+F2) on the page tab "scripts" in the SUEScript. Here you can set the option 'Show a confirmation dialog upon SUE shutdown?'. This setting will be automaticlly set with a newly installed SUE. Thank you very much for testing SUE and reporting your test results. I hope we could help you. Greetings, Ramona Bunk Am Montag, den 10.11.2008, 14:06 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Stoeger: > Dear sue people, > I was away for some time, so perhaps I missed something. But now I > updated to the latest svn version, 473. Two things come to my mind: > 1. Braille support disappeared again - it was there now for quite a > long time; now, the sue welcome message is readable in Braille, then no > further Braille output is given. > 2. I requested a feature, namely, the implementation of a confirmation > dialog on sue exit. Although I saw in the sourceforge that this has been > opened and closed again, and although I saw in the logs on svn that this > has been implemented, i do not discover the feature in the latest > revision. Do I have to turn it on via a configuration dialog? > Thanks and best regards, from > Bernhard Stöger > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > SUE-list mailing list > SUE...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sue-list -- Ramona Bunk SUE: Screenreader & Usability Extensions http://sue.sourceforge.net IT Science Center Rügen gGmbH Circus 14 D-18581 Putbus Telefon: +49(0)38301 8829-69 Fax: +49(0)38301 8829-59 E-mail: bu...@it... Web: www.it-science-center.de Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Gunther Dettmann, Dipl.-Inf. Ilvio Bruder Handelsregister Amtsgericht Stralsund HRB 6227 USt-Ident-Nummer: DE 244660253 |
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From: Bernhard S. <Ber...@jk...> - 2008-11-10 13:07:04
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Dear sue people, I was away for some time, so perhaps I missed something. But now I updated to the latest svn version, 473. Two things come to my mind: 1. Braille support disappeared again - it was there now for quite a long time; now, the sue welcome message is readable in Braille, then no further Braille output is given. 2. I requested a feature, namely, the implementation of a confirmation dialog on sue exit. Although I saw in the sourceforge that this has been opened and closed again, and although I saw in the logs on svn that this has been implemented, i do not discover the feature in the latest revision. Do I have to turn it on via a configuration dialog? Thanks and best regards, from Bernhard Stöger |