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From: Frank B. <fb...@fo...> - 2006-10-26 21:17:23
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Hallo, somehow a lot of the spam send to this list gets through my filters. There's much more spam here than on other SF lists I'm subscribed to. Is there something that could be done about this on the admin's side? Or do I just have to live with it... Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ |
From: Bill C. <sql...@ce...> - 2006-10-26 21:36:11
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2006, Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, > >somehow a lot of the spam send to this list gets through my filters. >There's much more spam here than on other SF lists I'm subscribed to. >Is there something that could be done about this on the admin's side? >Or do I just have to live with it... I've been seeing a fair amount of these while tweaking our spamassassin RulesDuJour processing. The spamassassin checking at source forge grades things significantly lower than our local rules which have been dumping the spam into a separate folder here -- which may well be a result of my personal bayesian filters which catches quite a bit. I don't know whether sourceforge allows different spamassassin settings per mailing list or whether they have to do it on a system wide basis. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 ``Anyone who thinks Microsoft never does anything truly innovative isn't paying attention to the part of the company that pushes the state of its art: Microsoft's legal department.'' --Ed Foster, InfoWorld Gripe Line columnist |
From: sophana <so...@zi...> - 2006-10-27 11:38:17
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Frank Barknecht a =E9crit : > Hallo, > > somehow a lot of the spam send to this list gets through my filters. > There's much more spam here than on other SF lists I'm subscribed to. > Is there something that could be done about this on the admin's side? > Or do I just have to live with it... > > Ciao > =20 I don't know if it is a coincidence. Spam started in the same time a guy was complaining about sourceforge mailling lists, and proposed to use google groups. It is reaching abnormal levels. These new spams have no url inside. They are difficult to catch. |
From: Jorge V. <jor...@gm...> - 2006-10-27 14:26:48
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On 10/27/06, sophana <so...@zi...> wrote: > Frank Barknecht a =E9crit : > > Hallo, > > > > somehow a lot of the spam send to this list gets through my filters. > > There's much more spam here than on other SF lists I'm subscribed to. > > Is there something that could be done about this on the admin's side? > > Or do I just have to live with it... > > > > Ciao > > > I don't know if it is a coincidence. Spam started in the same time a guy > was complaining about sourceforge mailling lists, and proposed to use > google groups. > It is reaching abnormal levels. > These new spams have no url inside. They are difficult to catch. > yes indeed it was bad but not this bad. and "that guy" is dubious |
From: Dan P. <da...@ag...> - 2006-10-27 15:48:19
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On Friday 27 October 2006 14:37, sophana wrote: > Frank Barknecht a =E9crit : > > I don't know if it is a coincidence. Spam started in the same time a > guy was complaining about sourceforge mailling lists, and proposed to > use google groups. I wouldn't put this behind him considering what other people say about hi= m=20 and how he tried to manipulate the community and the projects. > It is reaching abnormal levels. > These new spams have no url inside. They are difficult to catch. Use a Bayesian spam filter. bogofilter is one for example, which I can=20 recommend since I have used it for more than 2 years with great success. With it I never got a false positive and the number of spam messages that= =20 still escape and end up in my mailbox is less than 2 per week, but most=20 of the time not even that, and the Bayesian spam filter can be trained to= =20 learn and reclassify such false negatives as spam and capture them the=20 next time such similar messages arrive. For those who do not know, a Bayesian spam filter is one that can be=20 trained on a per user basis and learns from corpus of spam and non-spam=20 messages that are specific for that user. It will assign certain=20 probabilities to each token it finds in the training emails and then will= =20 evaluate new email based on the probabilities of the tokens (words) that=20 it contains into one of spam or non-spam. Even more new messages can not=20 only be classified, but can also be used for further training the filter,= =20 which makes the Bayesian filter adapt to new conditions and evolve. In this way it becomes very efficient because it will be adapted to the=20 user's internet behavioral patterns and will be much more efficient than=20 a generic spam filter that uses traditional methods. As an ideea of how efficient such a filter it is, in the last 20 days, my= =20 filter has retained over 1300 spam messages with no false positives (in=20 fact I never had a single false positive with it since installed) and=20 missed less than 5-7 spams which ended up in my inbox and I had to=20 retrain the filter to learn they were actually spam. In addition it is capable to catch spam messages that are sent not as tex= t=20 or html, but with the message put in an image attachment that contains=20 the actual message. This capability is not present to my knowledge in any= =20 other spam filtering system which uses traditional methods. P.S. Nowadays many mail user agents already implement Bayesian filtering, even= =20 though they may call it something else. Their filters can be used instead= =20 of a standalone filter like bogofilter, however I have no experience with= =20 them to say how well they perform. --=20 Dan |
From: Bill C. <sql...@ce...> - 2006-10-27 17:12:49
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On Fri, Oct 27, 2006, sophana wrote: >Frank Barknecht a =E9crit : >> Hallo, >> >> somehow a lot of the spam send to this list gets through my filters. >> There's much more spam here than on other SF lists I'm subscribed to. >> Is there something that could be done about this on the admin's side? >> Or do I just have to live with it... >> >> Ciao >> =20 >I don't know if it is a coincidence. Spam started in the same time a guy >was complaining about sourceforge mailling lists, and proposed to use >google groups. It is reaching abnormal levels. I've seen a fair amount of spam on the Plone-users mailing list as well, which I think is also a sourceforge list. >These new spams have no url inside. They are difficult to catch. Spamassassin seems to do a fine job on them here. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1= 676 One man's brain plus one other will produce one half as many ideas as one man would have produced alone. These two plus two more will produce half again as many ideas. These four plus four more begin to represent a creative meeting, and the ratio changes to one quarter as many ... -- Anthony Chevins |
From: Sidnei da S. <si...@aw...> - 2006-10-27 21:46:14
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On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 06:34:24PM -0300, Jorge Godoy wrote: | sophana <so...@zi...> writes: | I was going to say the same thing, but I wanted avoiding a conspiration | theory... What about stopping the theory and taking action by changing the list settings to only allow posts from subscribers? -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 |
From: Oleg B. <ph...@ph...> - 2006-10-28 18:08:57
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 07:14:27PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > I would > vote for closing the list to subscribers only. I don't have administrative rights at the SF Mailman interface. I will ask Ian to protect the lists. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ ph...@ph... Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. |
From: Ilias L. <il...@la...> - 2006-10-29 01:00:11
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Oleg Broytmann wrote: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 07:14:27PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: >> I would >> vote for closing the list to subscribers only. > > I don't have administrative rights at the SF Mailman interface. I will > ask Ian to protect the lists. An project-lead which is not present on the project should hand-out administrative rights to another person. . -- http://lazaridis.com |
From: Jorge G. <jg...@gm...> - 2006-10-27 21:39:08
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sophana <so...@zi...> writes: > I don't know if it is a coincidence. Spam started in the same time a guy > was complaining about sourceforge mailling lists, and proposed to use > google groups. I was going to say the same thing, but I wanted avoiding a conspiration theory... -- Jorge Godoy <jg...@gm...> |
From: sophana <so...@zi...> - 2006-10-28 10:12:05
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Sidnei da Silva a =E9crit : > On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 06:34:24PM -0300, Jorge Godoy wrote: > | sophana <so...@zi...> writes: > | I was going to say the same thing, but I wanted avoiding a conspirati= on > | theory...=20 > > What about stopping the theory and taking action by changing the list > settings to only allow posts from subscribers? > > =20 It is open to everybody??? I thought it was not. It is clear it must be closed. What about changing the reply-to to the mailling list instead of the auth= or? |
From: Frank B. <fb...@fo...> - 2006-10-28 17:15:39
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Hallo, sophana hat gesagt: // sophana wrote: > It is open to everybody??? I thought it was not. It is clear it must be > closed. This might be a reason, why I receive more spam on this, than on other SF lists. Just to note: I *do* spam filtering with spamassassin, but even then I get more false positives on sqlobject-discuss. I would vote for closing the list to subscribers only. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ |