snowballz-general — General Discussion (including Development) for Snowball Surprise

Re: [Snowballz-general] Paranoider Deutschenmoerder kommt in Psychiatrie

[Caleb S. <gam...@gm...>]

english??

On 5/16/05, ha...@bi... <ha...@bi...> wrote:
> Lese selbst:
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[Snowballz-general] Paranoider Deutschenmoerder kommt in Psychiatrie

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[Snowballz-general] Contributions for Snowball Surprise Presentation

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

If anyone would like to add any info for my presentation of Snowball 
Surprise at the Texas Gaming Festival, please send it to me now.

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Re: [Snowballz-general] python path and snowballz.py

[Sean L. <se...@ch...>]

On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 20:29 -0800, Bob Frazier wrote:
> tried snowballz.py today, aside from not having the 'soya' module, wouldn=
't
> run 'out of the box' on FreeBSD because python is installed where it shou=
ld
> be according to the UNIX hierarchy, that is /usr/local/bin/python instead=
 of
> /usr/bin/python  (where linux puts it, basically).
>=20
> It's one of those "linux-related" compatibility issues.  All too often, o=
pen
> source code is written on linux, so that it installs and runs properly on
> linux, but then must be patched if it's run anywhere else.
>=20
> To compensate, it might be a good idea to alter the 'hashbang' accordingl=
y
> to specify a symbolic link to the correct python location, or create a so=
ft
> link in /usr/local/bin during install for those systems that don't have i=
t
> and hard-code to '/usr/local/bin/python' instead.  I would expect OSX as
> well as FreeBSD to install python in /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin.
> It's the kind of thing that will have to be dealt with in configuration
> scripts among other things.  Alternately a set of 'diff' files for *BSD
> ports could be created, though it wouldn't be my preference to do that.
>=20
> Does anyone know how other python apps are being shipped and how they dea=
l
> with this?

Use "#!/usr/bin/env python" instead. It will do what you want.

[Snowballz-general] dependenc problems with 'elementtree', 'PIL' and lousy performance

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

the README needs to include 'elementtree' in its list of dependencies.  I
had to install it after getting an error on line 29 of 'snowballz.py'.
Fortunately it pointed to the correct location
(http://effbot.org/downloads/#elementtree)

After that, got another error on line 48 of 'snowballz.py', no 'PIL'
installed (web site listed as http://www.pythonware.com/downloads/index.htm)

after that it loaded into the 'flying game', but I got really lousy
performance.  One screen draw every 3 or 4 seconds, sometimes slower.  Not
sure why.  Running Xorg with "ATI" driver (on-board AGP2 adaptor) in
1280x960 24-bit color mode, and both the "glx" and "dri" modules are loaded.
System is PII 400Mhz with 192Mb RAM, which should be able to render things
like this pretty well.  Shouldn't need 3Ghz box to play it, in other words.

FYI - also had to fix 'Soya' in a few places so that it would build on FBSD.
Specifically, on FBSD the SDL files are in /usr/local/include/SDL11
(normally a configure script would take care of this but they're using a
python-based installer).  So it was necessary to manually edit them.
Everything else that it depended on was available as a port, so there were
no additional problems.  To facilitate installing Soya on BSD-based systems
it will probably require a port of some type (one for Apple, one for
*BSD's).

[Snowballz-general] python path and snowballz.py

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

As was recommended, if you use

 #!/usr/bin/env python -O

as the first line in the python scripts, it seems to work fine in FreeBSD.
(interesting, I learned a new command today)

Re: [Snowballz-general] python path and snowballz.py

[Matthew M. <mma...@my...>]

On Saturday 02 April 2005 04:29 am, Bob Frazier wrote:
> tried snowballz.py today, aside from not having the 'soya' module, wouldn=
't
> run 'out of the box' on FreeBSD because python is installed where it shou=
ld
> be according to the UNIX hierarchy, that is /usr/local/bin/python instead
> of /usr/bin/python =C2=A0(where linux puts it, basically).

Some people using linux will put it in /usr/local/bin/python. =C2=A0(I some=
times=20
do.) =C2=A0Personally, I always run python programs with 'python someprog.p=
y'.

> It's one of those "linux-related" compatibility issues. =C2=A0All too oft=
en,
> open source code is written on linux, so that it installs and runs proper=
ly
> on linux, but then must be patched if it's run anywhere else.

Actually, I would say it is a 'disribution related' compatibility issue. =
=C2=A0Some=20
linux distros, such as GoboLinux, install everything in completely differen=
t=20
locations.

> To compensate, it might be a good idea to alter the 'hashbang' accordingl=
y
> to specify a symbolic link to the correct python location, or create a so=
ft
> link in /usr/local/bin during install for those systems that don't have i=
t
> and hard-code to '/usr/local/bin/python' instead. =C2=A0

I wouldn't like this. =C2=A0When I install something, I don't want it to ev=
en touch=20
anything outside of the prefix(es) I give it.

> I would expect OSX as=20
> well as FreeBSD to install python in /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin.

Wouldn't OSX put it in /Applications/python/ or something? =C2=A0(That is s=
ortof=20
how GoboLinux does it.)

> It's the kind of thing that will have to be dealt with in configuration
> scripts among other things. =C2=A0Alternately a set of 'diff' files for *=
BSD
> ports could be created, though it wouldn't be my preference to do that.
>
> Does anyone know how other python apps are being shipped and how they dea=
l
> with this?

Well, I have seen some python apps use '#!/usr/bin/env python', but this=20
simply begs the question :P:P

Another option would to provide a shell script containing:
#!/bin/sh
env python /usr/local/snowballz.py

(or the like)

Another way would be to have setup.py take care of it. =C2=A0Perhaps provid=
e an 
option such as '--python-bin'.

MWM

Fwd: [Soya-user] Fwd: [Snowballz-general] python path and snowballz.py

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Theodore Reed <tr...@su...>
> Date: April 2, 2005 12:23:44 PM CST
> To: soy...@gn...
> Subject: Re: [Soya-user] Fwd: [Snowballz-general] python path and 
> snowballz.py
> Reply-To: soy...@gn...
>
>>         Does anyone know how other python apps are being shipped and
>>         how they deal
>>         with this?
>
> AFAIK, you should be using "/usr/bin/env python" I'm not sure if this
> helps on BSD or not.
>
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[Snowballz-general] python path and snowballz.py

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

tried snowballz.py today, aside from not having the 'soya' module, wouldn't
run 'out of the box' on FreeBSD because python is installed where it should
be according to the UNIX hierarchy, that is /usr/local/bin/python instead of
/usr/bin/python  (where linux puts it, basically).

It's one of those "linux-related" compatibility issues.  All too often, open
source code is written on linux, so that it installs and runs properly on
linux, but then must be patched if it's run anywhere else.

To compensate, it might be a good idea to alter the 'hashbang' accordingly
to specify a symbolic link to the correct python location, or create a soft
link in /usr/local/bin during install for those systems that don't have it
and hard-code to '/usr/local/bin/python' instead.  I would expect OSX as
well as FreeBSD to install python in /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin.
It's the kind of thing that will have to be dealt with in configuration
scripts among other things.  Alternately a set of 'diff' files for *BSD
ports could be created, though it wouldn't be my preference to do that.

Does anyone know how other python apps are being shipped and how they deal
with this?

Re: [Snowballz-general] "intro" theme music

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

I like it!

Seems perhaps the *cool transition* could be a snowball being thrown at 
the screen at the climax of the music... have a penguin shown sneaking 
closer and closer as the music climaxes ;)

Ratchet

On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Bob Frazier wrote:

> sample "intro" theme music can be found here:
> http://66.47.136.67/waves/snowballz.intro.mp3
>
> It is appx 27 seconds in length.  Intent is for a splash intro screen 
> and
> some credits to display while the music plays, as soon as the 
> application
> loads up.  Display of the initial splash screen SHOULD be timed to 
> coincide
> with the music startup.  This would give it a nice 'animated movie'
> atmosphere, like an old MGM cartoon (one of the good ones, from the 
> late
> 40's and early 50's, before Hanna and Barbera left MGM).
>
> So I'd suggest something like this:
>
> a) application loads
> b) draw initial splash pixmap/bitmap within a window, keep it hidden 
> until
> rendered.
> c) display splash window, start music as soon as the 'paint window' 
> function
> finishes.
> d) after 10 to 15 seconds, switch to a credits screen, possibly with a 
> "cool
> transition"..
> e) allow 30 seconds for song to finish, then jump right into the game
> console (most likely a demo or config screen, however you wanted to do 
> it)
>
> Pressing the space bar or 'esc' key should terminate the splash and 
> theme so
> people don't have to listen/watch it every time.
>
> I'll encode this into OGG format and include it with the project if 
> there
> are no objections.
>
>
>
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[Snowballz-general] music files intro.ogg and drum.loop.ogg

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

I've added 2 music files to data/sounds

The file 'intro.ogg' is the 27 second 'intro' (366k) that is intended to be
played during a splash screen of some kind during startup..  It's the same
one that I posted a link for a couple of days ago.  The second is
'drum.loop.ogg' (30k), a loopable 'drum' background that can play any time
you don't have some other background music you might want.  The intent is to
bust that up with other chunks of music in between, and I can provide a few
of them as needed.  You can also loop it indefinitely if you want.  Other
music ideas might be to have a "you got froze" sequence, a 'building'
sequence, maybe something else.  It's just a capture from the first second
or so of 'intro.ogg', mostly a proof of concept at creating loopable sounds.
With some rather careful wave editing I can make it possible to loop them
without artifacts.  It was mostly just me figuring out how to do it.

OGG files were encoded using the default 'oggenc' settings, resulting in CD
quality stereo and a bit rate around 106kb/sec

[Snowballz-general] "intro" theme music

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

sample "intro" theme music can be found here:
http://66.47.136.67/waves/snowballz.intro.mp3

It is appx 27 seconds in length.  Intent is for a splash intro screen and
some credits to display while the music plays, as soon as the application
loads up.  Display of the initial splash screen SHOULD be timed to coincide
with the music startup.  This would give it a nice 'animated movie'
atmosphere, like an old MGM cartoon (one of the good ones, from the late
40's and early 50's, before Hanna and Barbera left MGM).

So I'd suggest something like this:

a) application loads
b) draw initial splash pixmap/bitmap within a window, keep it hidden until
rendered.
c) display splash window, start music as soon as the 'paint window' function
finishes.
d) after 10 to 15 seconds, switch to a credits screen, possibly with a "cool
transition"..
e) allow 30 seconds for song to finish, then jump right into the game
console (most likely a demo or config screen, however you wanted to do it)

Pressing the space bar or 'esc' key should terminate the splash and theme so
people don't have to listen/watch it every time.

I'll encode this into OGG format and include it with the project if there
are no objections.

Re: Re: [Snowballz-general] unable to add files to repository

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

nevermind, I was using 'anonymous'.  Still a little difficult to work with,
but I managed to add 3 files.

basically it's 'bite.wav' 'chew.wav' and 'walk.snow.wav'.  The third one is
intended to be "walking in packed snow".  I have other sounds that I'll do
for deep snow, leaves, and maybe dirt gravel or sand as needed.  Also will
have a 'run' vs 'walk' sound for deeper terrain.  I created a number of
different sounds in my 'raw' files so for the most part I can just extract
the best ones and try to use them 'as-is'.

What you have now should be sufficient for testing the concept.  If the
sounds don't work please let me know.  You should queue them so they mix
also.  If you need separate right/left foot let me know and I'll pan the
sound across.  These files are 16-bit stereo PCM so they're a little large,
but not unacceptably large.  I intend to leave the original '.wav' files
available in all cases except for the music.

Re: [Snowballz-general] unable to add files to repository

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

Do a support req to Sourceforge, you should be able to do this...

Ratchet

On Mar 27, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Bob Frazier wrote:

> I am attempting to add '.wav' files to snowballz/data/sounds but don't 
> have
> write access to cvs repository.  I'm using the cvs instructions found 
> on the
> sourceforge web site to check out the source tree, and 'cvs add' to 
> add the
> files.  Error message says I don't have write access to the repository.
>
>
>
>
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[Snowballz-general] unable to add files to repository

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

I am attempting to add '.wav' files to snowballz/data/sounds but don't have
write access to cvs repository.  I'm using the cvs instructions found on the
sourceforge web site to check out the source tree, and 'cvs add' to add the
files.  Error message says I don't have write access to the repository.

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[Snowballz-general] snow sounds - shredded styrofoam

[Bob F. <bo...@mr...>]

I deciced that the best way to get snow sounds was to use shredded
styrofoam, so I'm slowly accumulating a sufficient supply by the use of
styro blocks (from equipment I purchased a while back, where I'd 'kept the
package' for warantee purposes) and a cheese grater.  It'll probably take a
few days to get enough, since I can only grate it for a few minutes at a
time, and must wait for a while between "gratings" for the static charge to
wear off, or else it just clogs up the grater and gets everywhere.  Should
have sufficient snow by the end of the weekend, and I'll be able to use it
for various 'snow' effects as needed.  Other sounds will be much easier.

[Snowballz-general] Animation List

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

http://snowballz.literati.org/AnimationList
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[Snowballz-general] Revising TODO

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

We need to revise the TODO list to reflect the SimpleDesignProposal and 
the decision not to do the flying game right now.

Also I think some of the ideas that will be farther out that are in the 
TODO right now should be put in a FutureIdeas section or something.

Does anyone want to work on this?

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[Snowballz-general] My techblog needs team members!

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

I've started a new techblog at http://zratchet.tk which needs 
contributions...
would any of you be interested in contributing?
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Re: [Snowballz-general] Modling

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

OK...
mainly just more animations for the penguin right now... sidestepping, 
swimming, throwing, etc...

Ratchet

On Mar 4, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Joey Marshall wrote:

> C Ratchet wrote:
>
>> Matthew or Joey please help with this... ;)
>>
>> Ratchet
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:16 PM, Caleb Sawtell wrote:
>>
>>     if you need some modling done I will be able to help just send me 
>> a
>>     list of things that need modling and I will try and do it for you.
>>
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> I was kinda wanting to know the same thing as Caleb...
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Re: [Snowballz-general] Modling

[Joey M. <joe...@ml...>]

C Ratchet wrote:

> Matthew or Joey please help with this... ;)
>
> Ratchet
>
> On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:16 PM, Caleb Sawtell wrote:
>
>     if you need some modling done I will be able to help just send me a
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I was kinda wanting to know the same thing as Caleb...

Re: [Snowballz-general] Modling

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

Matthew or Joey please help with this... ;)

Ratchet

On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:16 PM, Caleb Sawtell wrote:

> if you need some modling done I will be able to help just send me a
> list of things that need modling and I will try and do it for you.
>
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