From: Markus K. <ma...@se...> - 2009-11-18 14:44:21
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Hi, at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better logo. In particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not reflecting the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The core developers do not have sufficient resources for creating new logos, but we are sure that some of our users/contributors could do a great job here. We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have an idea for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this list by replying to this email. Below you can find the general requirements that a logo should satisfy. Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can always work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a suitable format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the logos of related projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...). The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude of the SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a commercial context -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to the eyes of your customers. Cheers, Markus [1] http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/ == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") == * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not subject to other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the distribution (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree on disclosing all legal restrictions on using/modifying/redistributing the logo, and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission. * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution printing at big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG version. * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a readable form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening to some users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo without this text, but there should be a standard way to include the text. * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be suitable both as an open source project logo and as a product logo. * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared version to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button version that can be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the bottom of a wiki. Other small "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the size of the "RSS" buttons that you see in blogs), but are not required. * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that can be used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW" should not be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects (the font used for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely available, the SVG file should be editable). -- Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> * Personal page: http://korrekt.org * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org -- |
From: Dan B. <dan...@gm...> - 2009-11-19 08:46:23
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;-) 2009/11/18 Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...>: > Hi, > > at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better logo. In > particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not reflecting > the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The core developers do not > have sufficient resources for creating new logos, but we are sure that some of > our users/contributors could do a great job here. > > We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have an idea > for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this list by > replying to this email. Below you can find the general requirements that a > logo should satisfy. > > Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can always > work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a suitable > format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the logos of related > projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...). > > The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude of the > SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a commercial context > -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to the eyes of your > customers. > > Cheers, > > Markus > > [1] http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/ > > > == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") == > > * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not subject to > other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the distribution > (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree on > disclosing all legal restrictions on using/modifying/redistributing the logo, > and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission. > > * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution printing at > big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG version. > > * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a readable > form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening to some > users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo without this > text, but there should be a standard way to include the text. > > * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be suitable > both as an open source project logo and as a product logo. > > * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared version > to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button version that can > be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the bottom of a wiki. Other small > "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the size of the "RSS" buttons > that you see in blogs), but are not required. > > * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that can be > used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW" should not > be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects (the font used > for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely available, the SVG file > should be editable). > > > > > -- > Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> > * Personal page: http://korrekt.org > * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org > * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > |
From: Patrick N. <ma...@pa...> - 2009-11-20 06:07:39
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Hi, based on Dan's idea and the MediaWiki logo (brackets and colour) [1]. I put all information on a small web page: http://patrick-nagel.net/misc/2009/smwlogo_proposal/ Critique and/or modifications welcome :) Patrick. [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 |
From: Markus K. <ma...@se...> - 2009-11-20 08:27:56
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On Freitag, 20. November 2009, Patrick Nagel wrote: > Hi, > > based on Dan's idea and the MediaWiki logo (brackets and colour) [1]. > > I put all information on a small web page: > > http://patrick-nagel.net/misc/2009/smwlogo_proposal/ > > Critique and/or modifications welcome :) Main critique: it looks awfully technical with all those non-alphabet characters. I think we should have some graphical components (recall MW's flower). Markus > > Patrick. > > [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg > -- Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> * Personal page: http://korrekt.org * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org -- |
From: david <dv...@en...> - 2009-11-22 11:50:41
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I like the Patrick's proposal. Specialy the 2th variant. But if it is a matter of having an image... ... if MW have a flower SMW could have a dandylion http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diente_de_le%C3% B3n_soltando_semillas.jpg El dv 20 de 11 de 2009 a les 09:27 +0100, en/na Markus Krötzsch va escriure: > On Freitag, 20. November 2009, Patrick Nagel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > based on Dan's idea and the MediaWiki logo (brackets and colour) [1]. > > > > I put all information on a small web page: > > > > http://patrick-nagel.net/misc/2009/smwlogo_proposal/ > > > > Critique and/or modifications welcome :) > > Main critique: it looks awfully technical with all those non-alphabet > characters. I think we should have some graphical components (recall MW's > flower). > > Markus > > > > > Patrick. > > > > [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ Semediawiki-user mailing list Sem...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Dan B. <dan...@gm...> - 2009-11-22 19:23:25
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2009/11/22 david <dv...@en...>: > I like the Patrick's proposal. Specialy the 2th variant. > But if it is a matter of having an image... > ... if MW have a flower SMW could have a dandylion > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diente_de_le%C3% > B3n_soltando_semillas.jpg Nice image! SMW... Seeding the semantic web. > El dv 20 de 11 de 2009 a les 09:27 +0100, en/na Markus Krötzsch va > escriure: >> On Freitag, 20. November 2009, Patrick Nagel wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > based on Dan's idea and the MediaWiki logo (brackets and colour) [1]. >> > >> > I put all information on a small web page: >> > >> > http://patrick-nagel.net/misc/2009/smwlogo_proposal/ >> > >> > Critique and/or modifications welcome :) >> >> Main critique: it looks awfully technical with all those non-alphabet >> characters. I think we should have some graphical components (recall MW's >> flower). >> >> Markus >> >> > >> > Patrick. >> > >> > [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ Semediawiki-user mailing list Sem...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > |
From: david <dv...@en...> - 2009-11-23 00:23:42
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El dg 22 de 11 de 2009 a les 19:23 +0000, en/na Dan Bolser va escriure: > 2009/11/22 david <dv...@en...>: > > I like the Patrick's proposal. Specialy the 2th variant. > > But if it is a matter of having an image... > > ... if MW have a flower SMW could have a dandylion > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diente_de_le%C3% > > B3n_soltando_semillas.jpg > > Nice image! SMW... Seeding the semantic web. > Yes, It seems to me that the dandelion might have connotations... (visually) -> structure -> something uncomplete (like the WP logo) -> nodes&nexus (semanticaly :-) -> spreading -> fun (playing, blowing) and smw needs people(users) semantization, like dandelions needs insects pollination :-) I made a sketch: http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg Based on the photo (cc-by): http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ Touched in Gimp: http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the modified "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a single character that might be included in the typography sets meaning "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. |
From: Krabina B. <kr...@kd...> - 2009-11-23 08:14:13
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Hi, > I made a sketch: > http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png I think especially when it is very small it is not easily recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the seeds part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? I also think that the colours should be changed. - Bernhard > http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg > Based on the photo (cc-by): > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ > Touched in Gimp: > http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf > > However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the > modified > "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a > single > character that might be included in the typography sets meaning > "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. > It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Denny V. <den...@ki...> - 2009-11-23 11:15:33
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I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the right format, but I hope the idea is clear. <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> Cheers, denny On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:03, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > Hi, > >> I made a sketch: >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png > > I think especially when it is very small it is not easily recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the seeds part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? > > I also think that the colours should be changed. > > - Bernhard > > >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg >> Based on the photo (cc-by): >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ >> Touched in Gimp: >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf >> >> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the >> modified >> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a >> single >> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning >> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. >> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >> focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Krabina B. <kr...@kd...> - 2009-11-23 14:09:51
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Hi Denny, hmm. looks like brooms to me... - Bernhard ----- "Denny Vrandecic" <den...@ki...> schrieb: > I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. > > Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the > right format, but I hope the idea is clear. > > <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> > > <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> > > Cheers, > denny > > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:03, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > > > Hi, > > > >> I made a sketch: > >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png > > > > I think especially when it is very small it is not easily > recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the seeds > part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? > > > > I also think that the colours should be changed. > > > > - Bernhard > > > > > >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg > >> Based on the photo (cc-by): > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ > >> Touched in Gimp: > >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf > >> > >> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the > >> modified > >> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a > >> single > >> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning > >> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. > >> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > 2008 > >> 30-Day > >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > and > >> focus on > >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new > with > >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >> Sem...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Semediawiki-user mailing list > > Sem...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Denny V. <den...@ki...> - 2009-11-23 15:06:47
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Darn. True enough. :) In my defense, a dandylion may look like a broom ... <http://www.flickr.com/photos/salama/4023331182/> but often enough it doesn't. And there's still the round version. Cheers, denny On Nov 23, 2009, at 14:58, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > Hi Denny, > > hmm. looks like brooms to me... > > - Bernhard > > ----- "Denny Vrandecic" <den...@ki...> schrieb: > >> I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. >> >> Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the >> right format, but I hope the idea is clear. >> >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> >> >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> >> >> Cheers, >> denny >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:03, Krabina Bernhard wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> I made a sketch: >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png >>> >>> I think especially when it is very small it is not easily >> recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the seeds >> part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? >>> >>> I also think that the colours should be changed. >>> >>> - Bernhard >>> >>> >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg >>>> Based on the photo (cc-by): >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ >>>> Touched in Gimp: >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf >>>> >>>> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the >>>> modified >>>> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a >>>> single >>>> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning >>>> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. >>>> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports >> 2008 >>>> 30-Day >>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - >> and >>>> focus on >>>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new >> with >>>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >>>> Sem...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >> focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >>> Sem...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Krabina B. <kr...@kd...> - 2009-11-23 15:11:09
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I didn't see the round version at first. I like it. This inside the MW brackets could make a nice logo... - Bernhard ----- "Denny Vrandecic" <den...@ki...> schrieb: > Darn. True enough. :) > > In my defense, a dandylion may look like a broom ... > > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/salama/4023331182/> > > but often enough it doesn't. > > And there's still the round version. > > Cheers, > denny > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 14:58, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > > > Hi Denny, > > > > hmm. looks like brooms to me... > > > > - Bernhard > > > > ----- "Denny Vrandecic" <den...@ki...> schrieb: > > > >> I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. > >> > >> Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the > >> right format, but I hope the idea is clear. > >> > >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> > >> > >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> denny > >> > >> > >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:03, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>>> I made a sketch: > >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png > >>> > >>> I think especially when it is very small it is not easily > >> recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the > seeds > >> part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? > >>> > >>> I also think that the colours should be changed. > >>> > >>> - Bernhard > >>> > >>> > >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg > >>>> Based on the photo (cc-by): > >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ > >>>> Touched in Gimp: > >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf > >>>> > >>>> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the > >>>> modified > >>>> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in > a > >>>> single > >>>> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning > >>>> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. > >>>> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > >> 2008 > >>>> 30-Day > >>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > >> and > >>>> focus on > >>>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new > >> with > >>>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >>>> Sem...@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > >>> > >>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > 2008 > >> 30-Day > >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > and > >> focus on > >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new > with > >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >>> Sem...@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Markus K. <ma...@se...> - 2009-11-24 10:37:41
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I like dandelions. Since this is a "2009 logo trend" [1] we should be careful to maintain some visual distance to existing logos. But both the style and symbolism of this flower is very suitable for SMW. -- Markus [1] Look for "dandelion" on: http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/default.asp?Archive=True&ArticleID=680 On Montag, 23. November 2009, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > I didn't see the round version at first. I like it. This inside the MW > brackets could make a nice logo... > > - Bernhard > > ----- "Denny Vrandecic" <den...@ki...> schrieb: > > Darn. True enough. :) > > > > In my defense, a dandylion may look like a broom ... > > > > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/salama/4023331182/> > > > > but often enough it doesn't. > > > > And there's still the round version. > > > > Cheers, > > denny > > > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 14:58, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > > > Hi Denny, > > > > > > hmm. looks like brooms to me... > > > > > > - Bernhard > > > > > > ----- "Denny Vrandecic" <den...@ki...> schrieb: > > >> I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. > > >> > > >> Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the > > >> right format, but I hope the idea is clear. > > >> > > >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> > > >> > > >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> denny > > >> > > >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:03, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>>> I made a sketch: > > >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png > > >>> > > >>> I think especially when it is very small it is not easily > > >> > > >> recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the > > > > seeds > > > > >> part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? > > >> > > >>> I also think that the colours should be changed. > > >>> > > >>> - Bernhard > > >>> > > >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg > > >>>> Based on the photo (cc-by): > > >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ > > >>>> Touched in Gimp: > > >>>> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf > > >>>> > > >>>> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the > > >>>> modified > > >>>> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in > > > > a > > > > >>>> single > > >>>> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning > > >>>> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. > > >>>> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- > > > > >>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > > >> > > >> 2008 > > >> > > >>>> 30-Day > > >>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > > >> > > >> and > > >> > > >>>> focus on > > >>>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new > > >> > > >> with > > >> > > >>>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > > >>>> Sem...@li... > > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- > > > > >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > > > > 2008 > > > > >> 30-Day > > >> > > >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > > > > and > > > > >> focus on > > >> > > >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new > > > > with > > > > >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > > >>> Sem...@li... > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > -- Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> * Personal page: http://korrekt.org * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org -- |
From: Laurent A. <la...@al...> - 2009-11-23 11:43:11
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I like the idea of dandelion but as a logo, I think it should be more stylized. It should be using a symbol of a dandelion instead of a photograph. That would improve readability of the logo as different sizes. - Laurent On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:03 AM, Krabina Bernhard wrote: > Hi, > >> I made a sketch: >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png > > I think especially when it is very small it is not easily recognisable as dandylion. Maybe you can try just to take the seeds part (the two flying seeds of the picture)? > > I also think that the colours should be changed. > > - Bernhard > > >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg >> Based on the photo (cc-by): >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ >> Touched in Gimp: >> http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf >> >> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the >> modified >> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a >> single >> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning >> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. >> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >> focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Patrick N. <ma...@pa...> - 2009-11-23 15:03:14
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Hi Denny, On 2009-11-23 11:15 UTC Denny Vrandecic wrote: > I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. > > Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the > right format, but I hope the idea is clear. > > <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> > > <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> I really like the round version! If you provide me with the SVG, I put some Seme symbols in the circles, or in the middle maybe? ;) Patrick. -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 |
From: Denny V. <den...@ki...> - 2009-11-23 15:08:28
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Yes, the point is, it isn't exactly done with a graphics program but with Powerpoint... :-P I'll send you that, but I have no clue if this is useful. cheers, denny On Nov 23, 2009, at 16:02, Patrick Nagel wrote: > Hi Denny, > > On 2009-11-23 11:15 UTC Denny Vrandecic wrote: >> I like the Dandylion idea, so I tried to clip art it a bit. >> >> Both logos would obviously need a brush up and be brought into the >> right format, but I hope the idea is clear. >> >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandysquare.png> >> >> <http://simia.net/bilder/dandyround.png> > > I really like the round version! If you provide me with the SVG, I put > some Seme symbols in the circles, or in the middle maybe? ;) > > Patrick. > > -- > Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc > Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july_______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user |
From: Patrick N. <ma...@pa...> - 2009-11-23 15:15:09
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Hi Denny, On 2009-11-23 15:08 UTC Denny Vrandecic wrote: > Yes, the point is, it isn't exactly done with a graphics program but > with Powerpoint... :-P > > I'll send you that, but I have no clue if this is useful. Heh, I don't know, either, yet ;) Lets see if I can somehow get this converted, otherwise I'll try to copy it in Inkscape. Patrick. -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 |
From: Alex K. <ak...@cr...> - 2009-11-19 18:50:19
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Has there been any discussion on whether this logo might eventually become a registered trademark? What are the IP requirements for the mark (CC BY license? Public Domain?) I suppose this is important if SMW+ or the Semantic Bundle will be using the logo. If those distributions are meant to be the best "out of the box" solutions, then will they have their own branding or will they be branded with the SMW logo? - Alex On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Dan Bolser <dan...@gm...> wrote: > ;-) > > 2009/11/18 Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...>: > > Hi, > > > > at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better logo. > In > > particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not > reflecting > > the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The core developers do > not > > have sufficient resources for creating new logos, but we are sure that > some of > > our users/contributors could do a great job here. > > > > We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have an > idea > > for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this list by > > replying to this email. Below you can find the general requirements that > a > > logo should satisfy. > > > > Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can > always > > work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a > suitable > > format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the logos of > related > > projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...). > > > > The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude of > the > > SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a commercial > context > > -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to the eyes of > your > > customers. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Markus > > > > [1] http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/ > > > > > > == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") == > > > > * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not subject > to > > other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the distribution > > (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree on > > disclosing all legal restrictions on using/modifying/redistributing the > logo, > > and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission. > > > > * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution > printing at > > big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG version. > > > > * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a > readable > > form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening to > some > > users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo without > this > > text, but there should be a standard way to include the text. > > > > * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be > suitable > > both as an open source project logo and as a product logo. > > > > * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared > version > > to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button version that > can > > be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the bottom of a wiki. Other > small > > "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the size of the "RSS" > buttons > > that you see in blogs), but are not required. > > > > * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that can > be > > used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW" should > not > > be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects (the font > used > > for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely available, the SVG > file > > should be editable). > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> > > * Personal page: http://korrekt.org > > * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org > > * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org > > -- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Semediawiki-user mailing list > > Sem...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > -- Alex Kozak Education Program Assistant Creative Commons 415.369.8492 |
From: Markus K. <ma...@se...> - 2009-11-20 08:25:25
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On Donnerstag, 19. November 2009, Alex Kozak wrote: > Has there been any discussion on whether this logo might eventually become > a registered trademark? What are the IP requirements for the mark (CC BY > license? Public Domain?) Yes. Please read my original email for details. I don't think that there is any need to think about trademarking so far. We need to be *much* bigger for this to become relevant. > > I suppose this is important if SMW+ or the Semantic Bundle will be using > the logo. If those distributions are meant to be the best "out of the box" > solutions, then will they have their own branding or will they be branded > with the SMW logo? It would be nice to have related logos for related projects, but of course every maintainer can make individual decisions on the logo that is to be used. -- Markus > > - Alex > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Dan Bolser <dan...@gm...> wrote: > > ;-) > > > > 2009/11/18 Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...>: > > > Hi, > > > > > > at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better > > > logo. > > > > In > > > > > particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not > > > > reflecting > > > > > the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The core developers > > > do > > > > not > > > > > have sufficient resources for creating new logos, but we are sure that > > > > some of > > > > > our users/contributors could do a great job here. > > > > > > We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have > > > an > > > > idea > > > > > for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this list > > > by replying to this email. Below you can find the general requirements > > > that > > > > a > > > > > logo should satisfy. > > > > > > Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can > > > > always > > > > > work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a > > > > suitable > > > > > format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the logos of > > > > related > > > > > projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...). > > > > > > The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude > > > of > > > > the > > > > > SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a commercial > > > > context > > > > > -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to the eyes > > > of > > > > your > > > > > customers. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Markus > > > > > > [1] http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/ > > > > > > > > > == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") == > > > > > > * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not > > > subject > > > > to > > > > > other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the > > > distribution (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, > > > you agree on disclosing all legal restrictions on > > > using/modifying/redistributing the > > > > logo, > > > > > and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission. > > > > > > * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution > > > > printing at > > > > > big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG version. > > > > > > * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a > > > > readable > > > > > form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening > > > to > > > > some > > > > > users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo without > > > > this > > > > > text, but there should be a standard way to include the text. > > > > > > * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be > > > > suitable > > > > > both as an open source project logo and as a product logo. > > > > > > * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared > > > > version > > > > > to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button version > > > that > > > > can > > > > > be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the bottom of a wiki. Other > > > > small > > > > > "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the size of the "RSS" > > > > buttons > > > > > that you see in blogs), but are not required. > > > > > > * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that can > > > > be > > > > > used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW" > > > should > > > > not > > > > > be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects (the font > > > > used > > > > > for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely available, the > > > SVG > > > > file > > > > > should be editable). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> > > > * Personal page: http://korrekt.org > > > * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org > > > * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- > > > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > > > > 30-Day > > > > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > > > > focus on > > > > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Semediawiki-user mailing list > > > Sem...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > > 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > > and focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Semediawiki-user mailing list > > Sem...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > -- Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> * Personal page: http://korrekt.org * Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org * Semantic Web textbook: http://semantic-web-book.org -- |
From: Scott R. <sr...@av...> - 2009-11-19 22:09:50
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Here's an idea. It weaves the M and W and adds a couple of curves for the S. I hereby relinquish any rights I might have to this design. :-) Scott |
From: Patrick N. <ma...@pa...> - 2009-11-20 08:46:34
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Hi Markus, On 2009-11-20 08:27 UTC Markus Krötzsch wrote: > > http://patrick-nagel.net/misc/2009/smwlogo_proposal/ > > > > Critique and/or modifications welcome :) > > Main critique: it looks awfully technical with all those non-alphabet > characters. I think we should have some graphical components (recall MW's > flower). True, didn't think of that. I thought more along the lines of "a flower is something a computer will never "understand" (like non-semantically tagged data) - the simple symbol (s from semantic) is what the machine can work with". Another idea was to make a schematic flower instead of the original. What about the non-main critique? ;) I think it will help me and others with further proposals to know what (else) you (and others) like or don't like about it. Patrick. -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 |
From: Dan B. <dan...@gm...> - 2009-11-20 10:16:27
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2009/11/20 Patrick Nagel <ma...@pa...>: > Hi Markus, > > On 2009-11-20 08:27 UTC Markus Krötzsch wrote: >> > http://patrick-nagel.net/misc/2009/smwlogo_proposal/ >> > >> > Critique and/or modifications welcome :) >> >> Main critique: it looks awfully technical with all those non-alphabet >> characters. I think we should have some graphical components (recall MW's >> flower). > > True, didn't think of that. I thought more along the lines of "a flower is > something a computer will never "understand" (like non-semantically tagged > data) - the simple symbol (s from semantic) is what the machine can work > with". Another idea was to make a schematic flower instead of the original. Attached? ;-) |
From: Patrick N. <ma...@pa...> - 2009-11-23 02:23:43
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Hi David, On 2009-11-23 08:09, david wrote: > Yes, It seems to me that the dandelion might have connotations... > > (visually) > -> structure > -> something uncomplete (like the WP logo) > -> nodes&nexus > > (semanticaly :-) > -> spreading > -> fun (playing, blowing) > > and smw needs people(users) semantization, like dandelions needs insects > pollination :-) > > I made a sketch: > http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.png > http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/smwlogo_dandylion1.svg > Based on the photo (cc-by): > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30884656@N02/2955199830/ > Touched in Gimp: > http://enlloc.net/dvdgmz/smw/logo/dandylion_T.xcf Good job! :) I'd prefer the colours to be a tad brighter though. > However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the modified > "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a single > character that might be included in the typography sets meaning > "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. > It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. Heh, having the s@ (I'll call it the "seme" symbol [1]) ;) as a character in typefaces would be cool :) But having transparent PNG support in most browsers nowadays doesn't make it too difficult to use the symbol wherever needed. Anyway, lets see what Markus has to say :) Patrick. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seme_%28semantics%29 -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 |
From: Denny V. <den...@ki...> - 2009-11-23 11:23:08
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On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:23, Patrick Nagel wrote: > On 2009-11-23 08:09, david wrote: >> >> However I think that (if and image will be taken as a logo) the modified >> "s" could be maintained and give it some use. It is a symbol in a single >> character that might be included in the typography sets meaning >> "semantic" in general for 'semantic web' or 'semantic wikis'. >> It could be used also as an indentifier for 'fact boxes'. > > Heh, having the s@ (I'll call it the "seme" symbol [1]) ;) as a > character in typefaces would be cool :) But having transparent PNG > support in most browsers nowadays doesn't make it too difficult to use > the symbol wherever needed. Anyway, lets see what Markus has to say :) > I like the Seme symbol. In the original version though, the tail started at the lower end of the S, not at the upper, which lens much more to the way one would naturally write it, and thus I would prefer it that way. It also resolves the issue with the wiggle on the upper right side of the current proposal. (And yes, I know, in the e- and a-circles it is the other way, but here the writing flow commands it as well). Picky me... :-) Cheers, denny |
From: Patrick N. <ma...@pa...> - 2009-11-23 15:00:02
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Hi Denny, On 2009-11-23 11:22 UTC Denny Vrandecic wrote: > I like the Seme symbol. In the original version though, the tail > started at the lower end of the S, not at the upper, which lens much > more to the way one would naturally write it, and thus I would > prefer it that way. It also resolves the issue with the wiggle on > the upper right side of the current proposal. > > (And yes, I know, in the e- and a-circles it is the other way, but > here the writing flow commands it as well). I'll try to create one like that when I have a mouse and a reasonably sized screen available again (currently on my netbook). Patrick. -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4 http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 |