From: Heikki J. J. <hj...@gm...> - 2009-01-24 22:24:47
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2009/1/24 D. Michael McIntyre <ros...@gm...> > > I'm also clearly outvoted on the codename thing, so it looks like we're > doing > that regardless. I repeat my nomination for "Autumn Gold" as a first > choice, > and "Abraham Darby" as a second. The first choice is more relevant to > Rosegarden's history (and to me) but the second one certainly has a more > amusing flair, and a bit of English charm. (Not that I'm all that excited > about English charm, being an American of Scots ancestry, but still.) My "Alba" was just an example. If there is a name which starts with "a" character for the rose in the Rosegarden splash screen. Let's call the next release according to that name! If the name is "Autumn Gold" then that is a perfect name! I did found "Autumn Gold" by searching: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/169737/ Anybody against this code name ? The best argument for this code name is that this particular rose is currently represented in the splash screen of Rosegarden. And the splash screen looks very beautiful! We could decide this code name and continue arguing with the release numbering scheme (which I would like to make completely deterministic and context independent in order to avoid further arguing about release numbers). -- Heikki |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-25 10:40:37
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Heikki Johannes Junes <hj...@gm...> wrote: > Anybody against this code name ? The only thing I have against Autumn Gold is that it used to be a brand name of cheap cider here in the UK. Or else it was something a bit like that, and I'm getting confused. Also, of course, it might be better to use that name for a release that is actually in autumn (well, who knows when the next one will be). Apart from that, I like it. I like Abraham Darby too, although with a name like that you'd want to check up on who Abraham Darby actually was, perhaps. I don't think for a minute that we should actually attempt to go in alphabetical order, by the way. And I don't really think we need to stick to yellow roses, either, although yellow-ish is best to be starting with. Chris |
From: D. M. M. <ros...@gm...> - 2009-01-25 13:24:32
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On Sunday 25 January 2009, Chris Cannam wrote: > The only thing I have against Autumn Gold is that it used to be a > brand name of cheap cider here in the UK. Bah. Forget that then. > Apart from that, I like it. I like Abraham Darby too, although with a > name like that you'd want to check up on who Abraham Darby actually > was, perhaps. > > I don't think for a minute that we should actually attempt to go in > alphabetical order, by the way. Oh. That simplifies matters. We could go with my overall first pick then, the tongue-in-cheek Codename Texas. Everybody knows the Yellow Rose of Texas. :) But anyway: Abraham Darby Specialist School for the Performing Arts From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Abraham Darby Specialist School For The Performing Arts) The Abraham Darby School for the Performing Arts [...] The Abraham Darby School for the Performing Arts in Telford, Shropshire, UK, received specialist status in performing arts in 2003. It is named after Abraham Darby III and is situated approximately one mile from the world famous Iron Bridge which he built in 1779. [...] The school has 44 years of musical tradition and is home to the wind band, The Abraham Darby Showband. Abraham Darby III was the third in a line of key Industrial Revolution figures who were all apparently involved in inventing the process of using coke rather than charcoal in iron production, which would seem (though not stated as such in the articles) to be a step toward cheap steel and life as we know it. Kind of cool for a random pick, actually, though if there's too much baggage here, we could scrap everything, and go a completely different way. In fact, it has just occurred to me that the BEST possible codename for this release is Rosegarden Thorn. It has certainly been a thorn in ALL of our sides! I officially nominate Thorn. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Heikki J. J. <hj...@gm...> - 2009-01-25 13:41:07
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2009/1/25 D. Michael McIntyre <ros...@gm...> > On Sunday 25 January 2009, Chris Cannam wrote: > > > The only thing I have against Autumn Gold is that it used to be a > > brand name of cheap cider here in the UK. > > Bah. Forget that then. > > > Apart from that, I like it. I like Abraham Darby too, although with a > > name like that you'd want to check up on who Abraham Darby actually > > was, perhaps. > > > > I don't think for a minute that we should actually attempt to go in > > alphabetical order, by the way. > > Oh. That simplifies matters. We could go with my overall first pick then, > the > tongue-in-cheek Codename Texas. Everybody knows the Yellow Rose of > Texas. :) > > But anyway: > > Abraham Darby Specialist School for the Performing Arts > >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > (Redirected from Abraham Darby Specialist School For The Performing Arts) > The Abraham Darby School for the Performing Arts > [...] > The Abraham Darby School for the Performing Arts in Telford, Shropshire, > UK, > received specialist status in performing arts in 2003. It is named after > Abraham Darby III and is situated approximately one mile from the world > famous Iron Bridge which he built in 1779. > [...] > The school has 44 years of musical tradition and is home to the wind band, > The > Abraham Darby Showband. > > > Abraham Darby III was the third in a line of key Industrial Revolution > figures > who were all apparently involved in inventing the process of using coke > rather than charcoal in iron production, which would seem (though not > stated > as such in the articles) to be a step toward cheap steel and life as we > know > it. > > Kind of cool for a random pick, actually, though if there's too much > baggage > here, we could scrap everything, and go a completely different way. > > In fact, it has just occurred to me that the BEST possible codename for > this > release is Rosegarden Thorn. It has certainly been a thorn in ALL of our > sides! > > I officially nominate Thorn. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre What a great name! I will agree all the names you suggest, Michael. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(botany) Long live Rosegarden Thorn! (Or short live, if you prefer short release cycle.) -- Heikki |
From: Heikki J. J. <hj...@gm...> - 2009-01-25 13:51:00
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2009/1/25 Heikki Johannes Junes <hj...@gm...> > 2009/1/25 D. Michael McIntyre <ros...@gm...> > >> On Sunday 25 January 2009, Chris Cannam wrote: >> >> > The only thing I have against Autumn Gold is that it used to be a >> > brand name of cheap cider here in the UK. >> >> Bah. Forget that then. >> >> > Apart from that, I like it. I like Abraham Darby too, although with a >> > name like that you'd want to check up on who Abraham Darby actually >> > was, perhaps. >> > >> > I don't think for a minute that we should actually attempt to go in >> > alphabetical order, by the way. >> >> Oh. That simplifies matters. We could go with my overall first pick then, >> the >> tongue-in-cheek Codename Texas. Everybody knows the Yellow Rose of >> Texas. :) >> >> But anyway: >> >> Abraham Darby Specialist School for the Performing Arts >> >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >> >> (Redirected from Abraham Darby Specialist School For The Performing Arts) >> The Abraham Darby School for the Performing Arts >> [...] >> The Abraham Darby School for the Performing Arts in Telford, Shropshire, >> UK, >> received specialist status in performing arts in 2003. It is named after >> Abraham Darby III and is situated approximately one mile from the world >> famous Iron Bridge which he built in 1779. >> [...] >> The school has 44 years of musical tradition and is home to the wind band, >> The >> Abraham Darby Showband. >> >> >> Abraham Darby III was the third in a line of key Industrial Revolution >> figures >> who were all apparently involved in inventing the process of using coke >> rather than charcoal in iron production, which would seem (though not >> stated >> as such in the articles) to be a step toward cheap steel and life as we >> know >> it. >> >> Kind of cool for a random pick, actually, though if there's too much >> baggage >> here, we could scrap everything, and go a completely different way. >> >> In fact, it has just occurred to me that the BEST possible codename for >> this >> release is Rosegarden Thorn. It has certainly been a thorn in ALL of our >> sides! >> >> I officially nominate Thorn. >> -- >> D. Michael McIntyre > > > What a great name! I will agree all the names you suggest, Michael. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(botany)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28botany%29> > > Long live Rosegarden Thorn! > > (Or short live, if you prefer short release cycle.) According to the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(botany) roses do not have thorns, but prickles. :-/ -- Heikki |
From: D. M. M. <ros...@gm...> - 2009-01-25 23:49:50
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On Sunday 25 January 2009, Heikki Johannes Junes wrote: > > Long live Rosegarden Thorn! Well now we have two for Thorn, and Chris getting excited about naming it after the rose named after the guy who built Iron Bridge, and excited about the idea of choosing names that have curious little vignettes. I could go either way. > > (Or short live, if you prefer short release cycle.) I do, myself. I'm trying to speed our release cycle up, though I picked a bad time to start this. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(botany) > > roses do not have thorns, but prickles. :-/ Then when I look up "prickles" (as there is no Wikipedia article) I get: prickle (plural prickles) A small, sharp pointed object, such as a thorn. I don't think the botany really matters to anyone in our context. In terms of everyday language use, and even in literature, those pointy things on roses are thorns. But anyway, I'm kind of on the fence on this one, with half a vote for Thorn and half a vote for Abraham Darby. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-31 10:09:58
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM, D. Michael McIntyre <ros...@gm...> wrote: > But anyway, I'm kind of on the fence on this one, with half a vote for Thorn > and half a vote for Abraham Darby. I see you seem to have picked Thorn for references in the preview release bits & bobs -- can I choose this rather late moment to say that I don't like it? If we're going to have names at all, I'd like them to stick to a theme, i.e. names of roses. If I get a vote, it's for Abraham Darby for the first release. Although I think the project of porting to Qt4 might as well simply be called "the Qt4 port" for the time being. I don't mind being outvoted if others really care, though. Chris |
From: Heikki J. J. <hj...@gm...> - 2009-01-31 13:06:13
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2009/1/31 Chris Cannam <ca...@al...> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM, D. Michael McIntyre > <ros...@gm...> wrote: > > But anyway, I'm kind of on the fence on this one, with half a vote for > Thorn > > and half a vote for Abraham Darby. > > I see you seem to have picked Thorn for references in the preview > release bits & bobs -- can I choose this rather late moment to say > that I don't like it? If we're going to have names at all, I'd like > them to stick to a theme, i.e. names of roses. If I get a vote, it's > for Abraham Darby for the first release. Although I think the project > of porting to Qt4 might as well simply be called "the Qt4 port" for > the time being. > > I don't mind being outvoted if others really care, though. > > Chris > The code name is only for marketing purposes. It is much easier to market the code name than the number. Me too, "Abraham Darby" sounds good. I would also like to start filling the rose garden of Rosegarden. The code names need not to be in alphabetical order, but we could stick to the names of roses. There used to be about 100 roses (according to wikipedia), but I bet that with the techniques which the biologists currently have it is possible to obtain much more species of roses. -- Heikki |
From: Julie S <msj...@ya...> - 2009-01-31 13:34:57
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Hello All, Chris wrote: > If I get a vote, it's for Abraham Darby for the first release. I vote for Abraham Darby as well. Sincerely, Julie S. |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-25 15:53:29
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:24 PM, D. Michael McIntyre <ros...@gm...> wrote: > Abraham Darby III was the third in a line of key Industrial Revolution figures > who were all apparently involved in inventing the process of using coke > rather than charcoal in iron production, which would seem (though not stated > as such in the articles) to be a step toward cheap steel and life as we know > it. Wow! He cast the Iron Bridge at Ironbridge! I am officially Highly Impressed. Chris |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-25 15:55:55
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Chris Cannam <ca...@al...> wrote: > Wow! He cast the Iron Bridge at Ironbridge! I am officially Highly Impressed. p.s. I rather like the idea of using names with enough of a background that we could even include a little vignette about their origin in our release note... Chris |
From: D. M. M. <ros...@gm...> - 2009-01-31 13:53:13
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On Saturday 31 January 2009, Chris Cannam wrote: > I see you seem to have picked Thorn for references in the preview > release bits & bobs -- can I choose this rather late moment to say > that I don't like it? Nope. The last vote we had was a 50/50 split, and I broke the tie arbitrarily, because I needed that decided in order to continue, and I decided not to wait for your input, because it's not unusual for you to let my communications sit there for days or weeks before you respond to them, if you ever do at all. (I'm merely pointing out this fact with no particular emotion attached.) I figured if you objected to that, which you apparently have, we'd change the codename at beta time, and just use this one leading up to that point. So now I'm deciding that. It's "Thorn" up to a first public beta we actually expect real users to try, at which point we'll reveal the real codename is "Abraham Darby," and publish that little vignette. There. That nice and quick. If we had waited for you to get back to us, it might have been Beltane before we could publish the release note. And no, I'm sick to death of calling it "the Qt4 port." This codename business is the right way to go. It creates a bit of mystery, and a bit of anticipation, and helps underscore the fact that we really are doing something, even though Ohloh thinks our project is "in danger" now. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-31 13:58:41
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:53 PM, D. Michael McIntyre <ros...@gm...> wrote: > So now I'm deciding that. It's "Thorn" up to a first public beta we actually > expect real users to try, at which point we'll reveal the real codename > is "Abraham Darby," and publish that little vignette. Oh, OK. That makes sense and sounds good. I can be happy with that. Good judgment; thanks. Chris |
From: Emanuel R. <xb...@gm...> - 2009-01-31 20:46:13
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2009/1/31 Heikki Johannes Junes <hj...@gm...>: > > There used to be about 100 roses (according to wikipedia), .... I am happy with the flower/rose names too, but same of them (the names or the roses?) seem to be TM or copyrighted... A nuisance? -- Emanuel Rumpf |
From: D. M. M. <ros...@gm...> - 2009-02-01 00:36:10
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On Saturday 31 January 2009, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > I am happy with the flower/rose names too, but > same of them (the names or the roses?) seem to be TM or copyrighted... > A nuisance? I don't think we have to worry about this any more than do the sites where we'd find these names in the first place. The legal protections that are in place on some of these are to protect the financial interests of plant breeders, so as long as we don't sell roses, what's the harm? (Of course Apple never expected to find itself in the position of becoming music distributor either.) -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Chris F. <chr...@go...> - 2009-01-31 22:12:48
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I'm trying to understand CompositionView, with a view to converting it to pure QT4. It's very clever and mighty complicated! I think I've got the general idea - it's a ScrollView containing a viewport whose size is defined on modification and onto which widgets are drawn. One thing I'm struggling to find at the moment is how the horizontal lines between the tracks are constructed. Does anybody here know? Regards CJ |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-31 22:29:21
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Chris Fryer <chr...@go...> wrote: > I think I've got the general idea - it's a ScrollView containing a > viewport whose size is defined on modification and onto which widgets > are drawn. Sort of... although there is only one actual widget. I think you could describe it as a scroll view with no child widgets at all, but whose viewportPaintEvent() is overridden so as to draw the visible area of the composition directly on to the scroll viewport, "faking" the suggestion of a larger widget behind it. > One thing I'm struggling to find at the moment is how the horizontal > lines between the tracks are constructed. CompositionView::drawArea(), at CompositionView.cpp lines 725 to 753. The CompositionModelImpl manages the records of how tall the individual tracks are (since tracks with overlapping segments in them are made taller), through a SnapGrid record whose "bin height multiple" records are adjusted appropriately in setTrackHeights() when a segment's position changes. (Although I didn't write CompositionView, I did write the bit that manages variable track heights and draws the dividing lines. It isn't very nice code, though.) Chris |
From: Chris F. <chr...@go...> - 2009-01-31 22:45:40
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> > Sort of... although there is only one actual widget. I think you > could describe it as a scroll view with no child widgets at all, but > whose viewportPaintEvent() is overridden so as to draw the visible > area of the composition directly on to the scroll viewport, "faking" > the suggestion of a larger widget behind it > That's helped. I'd got the "no widget" part but hadn't appreciated the viewportPaintEvent mechanism. > CompositionView::drawArea(), at CompositionView.cpp lines 725 to 753. > The CompositionModelImpl manages the records of how tall the > individual tracks are (since tracks with overlapping segments in them > are made taller), through a SnapGrid record whose "bin height > multiple" records are adjusted appropriately in setTrackHeights() when > a segment's position changes. > Thanks for that. I'll take a look. Not sure yet how best to convert this. CJ |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2009-01-31 22:44:38
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Chris Cannam <ca...@al...> wrote: > CompositionView::drawArea(), at CompositionView.cpp lines 725 to 753. > The CompositionModelImpl manages the records of how tall the > individual tracks are (since tracks with overlapping segments in them > are made taller), through a SnapGrid record whose "bin height > multiple" records are adjusted appropriately in setTrackHeights() when > a segment's position changes. I notice that the TrackButtons don't seem to adjust themselves properly when the height of a track changes on the canvas (for example when you drag out a new segment that ends up overlapping an existing one, on the same track). It occurs to me that perhaps this is how you got into wondering about the horizontal lines on the canvas in the first place, although maybe I'm getting ahead of myself there. Anyway, the TrackButtons do do something when the track height changes -- it just doesn't seem to be quite the right thing. They were broadly OK in 1.7.x. in this respect at least. Chris |
From: Chris F. <chr...@go...> - 2009-01-31 22:51:49
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> > I notice that the TrackButtons don't seem to adjust themselves > properly when the height of a track changes on the canvas (for example > when you drag out a new segment that ends up overlapping an existing > one, on the same track). > > It occurs to me that perhaps this is how you got into wondering about > the horizontal lines on the canvas in the first place, although maybe > I'm getting ahead of myself there. Anyway, the TrackButtons do do > something when the track height changes -- it just doesn't seem to be > quite the right thing. They were broadly OK in 1.7.x. in this respect > at least. > You're ahead of yourself there ... certainly ahead of me in any case. I've got a LOT to learn in this area still. I'll keep my eye out for track height adjustment mechanisms. CJ |