From: Scott <net...@ya...> - 2002-11-14 20:48:50
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Is there an effort to port GAIM to GTK2 and Glade dialogs? I find the buddy editor to be not quite up to snuff. Have you seen the way Gabber deals with buddy list editing? It seems a lot more fluid. I can just right click on a buddy, and click remove, or just drag the name from group to group. Also, I would like to see proxies be moved into each account (maybe a button for 'use default proxy'). This would be useful for people like me who have a local jabber server in-house, and would also like to be able to connect to an internet server. Although currently gaim jabber support does not allow for different servers which is another thing that needs fixing! I think the bottom icon bar should be replaced with something similar to gabbers 'presence' bar. The background color of the Group Name should be shaded like Gabber's as well, it makes the separation much clearer. The preferences window in Gabber is also a lot clearer. Although its options are not as numerious as gaim's, maybe a style more like Galeon's would be more in order. These are my thoughts for bringing Gaim up to par. What do you think? -- Scott ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com |
From: Evan D. <ev...@ca...> - 2002-11-14 20:57:41
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Maybe you should just use Jabber. :) What version of Gaim are you using? CVS Gaim is significantly different than the official .59.x release. On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 15:48, Scott wrote: > Is there an effort to port GAIM to GTK2 and Glade dialogs? > > I find the buddy editor to be not quite up to snuff. Have you seen the way > Gabber deals with buddy list editing? It seems a lot more fluid. I can just > right click on a buddy, and click remove, or just drag the name from group to > group. > > Also, I would like to see proxies be moved into each account (maybe a button > for 'use default proxy'). This would be useful for people like me who have a > local jabber server in-house, and would also like to be able to connect to an > internet server. Although currently gaim jabber support does not allow for > different servers which is another thing that needs fixing! > > I think the bottom icon bar should be replaced with something similar to > gabbers 'presence' bar. The background color of the Group Name should be > shaded like Gabber's as well, it makes the separation much clearer. > > The preferences window in Gabber is also a lot clearer. Although its options > are not as numerious as gaim's, maybe a style more like Galeon's would be more > in order. > > These are my thoughts for bringing Gaim up to par. What do you think? > > -- Scott > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: To learn the basics of securing > your web site with SSL, click here to get a FREE TRIAL of a Thawte > Server Certificate: http://www.gothawte.com/rd524.html > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel -- Evan Doughty ev...@ca... |
From: Evan D. <ev...@ca...> - 2002-11-14 21:08:40
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On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 16:00, Evan Doughty wrote: > Maybe you should just use Jabber. :) Oops. That should be Gabber, not Jabber. Duh. I make that mistake more often than I care to admit. :) -- Evan Doughty ev...@ca... |
From: Etan R. <de...@ed...> - 2002-11-14 20:59:17
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> Is there an effort to port GAIM to GTK2 and Glade dialogs? Yes to gtk2, no to glade. gaim cvs is gtk2 only, and has been for a little while now. The 0.59.X branch is for gtk1.2 > Also, I would like to see proxies be moved into each account (maybe a button > for 'use default proxy'). This would be useful for people like me who have a > local jabber server in-house, and would also like to be able to connect to an > internet server. That's being worked on, IIRC it was working correctly, and was simply awaiting a proper GUI. > Although currently gaim jabber support does not allow for > different servers which is another thing that needs fixing! Yes it does, when you input your username just put it in fully specified (i.e. us...@se.../resource) > I think the bottom icon bar should be replaced with something similar to > gabbers 'presence' bar. Not sure what you mean. -Etan |
From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2002-11-14 21:06:15
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Scott spake unto us the following wisdom: > Is there an effort to port GAIM to GTK2 and Glade dialogs?=20 Yes, gaim CVS is Gtk2 only. It will not use glade, though, and I'm not sure why you might think this is necessary. > I find the buddy editor to be not quite up to snuff. Have you seen the w= ay > Gabber deals with buddy list editing? It seems a lot more fluid. I can = just > right click on a buddy, and click remove, or just drag the name from grou= p to > group. The buddy list will be rewritten at some point, as it uses widgets which are deprecated in Gtk2. The rewrite will imporove its look & feel. > Also, I would like to see proxies be moved into each account (maybe a but= ton > for 'use default proxy'). This would be useful for people like me who ha= ve a > local jabber server in-house, and would also like to be able to connect t= o an > internet server. Although currently gaim jabber support does not allow f= or > different servers which is another thing that needs fixing! Per-account proxies are in the works. I'm not sure what the status is, but I know there is a working (at least mostly working) patch hanging around. Gaim jabber support allows for as many servers as you like. I'm not sure what you're talking about there. > I think the bottom icon bar should be replaced with something similar to > gabbers 'presence' bar. The background color of the Group Name should be > shaded like Gabber's as well, it makes the separation much clearer. You seem to like a lot of things about Gabber ... gaim is not Gabber. I'm not sure what gabber's "presence" bar is, but perhaps a clear description of the functionality you would like would help more. As far as group name looks, this may or may not change with the buddy list rewrite. > The preferences window in Gabber is also a lot clearer. Although its opt= ions > are not as numerious as gaim's, maybe a style more like Galeon's would be= more > in order. Look at the gaim CVS preferences, it is in general much superior to the stable version. > These are my thoughts for bringing Gaim up to par. What do you think? Where by "bringing Gaim up to par" you apparently mean "making Gaim into Gabber". There may be features in other IM programs that are desirable in gaim, and we try to incorporate them as much as possible. However, if they do not fit the "total picture" of gaim (gaim has a much more ambitious goal than being *just* a Jabber (or MSN, or whatever) client), they may not be workable. Presenting your feature list in such a fashion ("Why isn't gaim more like gabber?" "Gaim is subpar because it doesn't have these specific features that *I* like that you may or may not like.") is not likely to win friends and influence developers. If your points have merit, hopefully they won't be lost in the poor presentation. Ethan --=20 And if I claim to be a wise man / it surely means that I don't know. -- Kansas, "Carry on Wayward Son" |
From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2002-11-15 15:58:43
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(Bringing this back to gaim-devel, I hope you don't mind.) Scott spake unto us the following wisdom: > The presence bar is a pull down menu allowing you to select > different away 'types' (in gabber: "Available", "Free to Chat", > "Away", "Extended Away", "Busy", and "Invisible"). In Gaim, the > functionality of the button bar is all replicated elsewhere, and is > wasted space, imo. Currently when you are 'away', you get a text > dialog with your away message and a button saying 'I'm Back' which > again imo, is annoying and can get lost amongst a myriad of > windows. It would be more tidy to have the pulldown menu to select > and see your 'presence' at a glance in the gaim window. Ahh. I agree that away-ness is rather complicated in gaim as things stand right now; unfortunately, such a presence bar simply would not work in gaim. It is perfectly reasonable (and common, even!) to have different away states for different accounts (notice that you can select an individual account from the menu when you choose to go away). I personally also agree that buttons at the bottom of the buddy list are mostly useless ... I use the preference item to turn them off. > Has there been any talk about getting SSL support for Jabber? Yes, and it is not likely to happen soon or at all. There is an entry in the FAQ about the security-related reasons (it isn't secure), and there are logistic difficulties as well; OpenSSL cannot be integrated into a GPL'd program without the consent of every developer who has ever committed a patch, which is impossible for gaim, and there doesn't seem to be a clear and available alternative with a more compatible license. Ethan --=20 And if I claim to be a wise man / it surely means that I don't know. -- Kansas, "Carry on Wayward Son" |
From: Evan D. <ev...@ca...> - 2002-11-15 17:29:22
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On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 10:56, Ethan Blanton wrote: > (Bringing this back to gaim-devel, I hope you don't mind.) > > Scott spake unto us the following wisdom: > > The presence bar is a pull down menu allowing you to select > > different away 'types' (in gabber: "Available", "Free to Chat", > > "Away", "Extended Away", "Busy", and "Invisible"). In Gaim, the > > functionality of the button bar is all replicated elsewhere, and is > > wasted space, imo. Currently when you are 'away', you get a text > > dialog with your away message and a button saying 'I'm Back' which > > again imo, is annoying and can get lost amongst a myriad of > > windows. It would be more tidy to have the pulldown menu to select > > and see your 'presence' at a glance in the gaim window. If you are using Gnome (or KDE, as I understand it) you should consider loading the "Tray Icon" plugin. You'll need to be running CVS Gaim. Right clicking on the tray icon (a.k.a. docklet) provides a list of common tasks, and if you are away, "Back" is one of them. > OpenSSL cannot be integrated > into a GPL'd program without the consent of every developer who has > ever committed a patch, which is impossible for gaim, and there > doesn't seem to be a clear and available alternative with a more > compatible license. I think this issue could be avoided if the Jabber-SSL was released as a plugin. Didn't Mozilla do that for a while? Doesn't gaim-e work with Jabber anyway? I understand that not everyone runs Gaim, but with the Windows client on the way and the problems with OpenSSL, that may be the simple solution. :) -- Evan Doughty ev...@ca... |
From: <lsc...@re...> - 2002-11-15 17:40:04
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 12:31:33PM -0500, Evan Doughty wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 10:56, Ethan Blanton wrote: > > (Bringing this back to gaim-devel, I hope you don't mind.) <snip> > Doesn't gaim-e work with Jabber anyway? I understand that not everyone > runs Gaim, but with the Windows client on the way and the problems with > OpenSSL, that may be the simple solution. :) gaim-e works across any gaim conversation. if you read the faq, you will notice that this is the (only) suggested method of secure im with gaim. gaim-e.sf.net for more information :-) luke -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. |
From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2002-11-15 17:40:02
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Evan Doughty spake unto us the following wisdom: > Doesn't gaim-e work with Jabber anyway? I understand that not everyone > runs Gaim, but with the Windows client on the way and the problems with > OpenSSL, that may be the simple solution. :) The high-order bit there is not that gaim is available for Windows, but that the work being done on gaim-e is completely open and free for reimplmentation in any client. Gaim may be the only client so trivially extensible via plugins, that I don't know... :-) Ethan --=20 And if I claim to be a wise man / it surely means that I don't know. -- Kansas, "Carry on Wayward Son" |
From: Luke S. <lsc...@gm...> - 2002-11-15 17:35:38
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:56:02AM -0500, Ethan Blanton wrote: > (Bringing this back to gaim-devel, I hope you don't mind.) > > Scott spake unto us the following wisdom: > > The presence bar is a pull down menu allowing you to select > > different away 'types' (in gabber: "Available", "Free to Chat", > > "Away", "Extended Away", "Busy", and "Invisible"). In Gaim, the > > functionality of the button bar is all replicated elsewhere, and is > > wasted space, imo. Currently when you are 'away', you get a text > > dialog with your away message and a button saying 'I'm Back' which > > again imo, is annoying and can get lost amongst a myriad of > > windows. It would be more tidy to have the pulldown menu to select > > and see your 'presence' at a glance in the gaim window. > > Ahh. I agree that away-ness is rather complicated in gaim as things > stand right now; unfortunately, such a presence bar simply would not > work in gaim. It is perfectly reasonable (and common, even!) to have a presence bar can be implemented, there is a patch by derjohan that does this that will be evaluated after the move to gtk2 is complete. Further, a status menu, see patch by deryni, is also up for consideration at that time. we are looking to make the presence bar optional, and the menu there all the time. > different away states for different accounts (notice that you can > select an individual account from the menu when you choose to go > away). I personally also agree that buttons at the bottom of the > buddy list are mostly useless ... I use the preference item to turn > them off. > > > Has there been any talk about getting SSL support for Jabber? > > Yes, and it is not likely to happen soon or at all. There is an entry > in the FAQ about the security-related reasons (it isn't secure), and > there are logistic difficulties as well; OpenSSL cannot be integrated > into a GPL'd program without the consent of every developer who has > ever committed a patch, which is impossible for gaim, and there > doesn't seem to be a clear and available alternative with a more > compatible license. the biggest thing is the logistical reasons. because of them, gaim will not have openssl support untill and unless openssl changes its license. We looked at a patch by rwscott to add gnutls support, but it was indefinitally postponed when we discovered that 1)gnutls does not build outside of a gnu environment, ie it does not build on solaris, macosx, win32, irix, or *bsd 2)the gnutls people are not interested in changing this situation. given that gaim is used on all of the above platforms and some not mentioned as well as linux, this intransigence on the part of the gnutls people causes us to reject the use of their library. luke -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. |
From: Nathan W. <fac...@fa...> - 2002-11-15 05:52:23
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:48:49PM -0800, Scott wrote: <snip> > Also, I would like to see proxies be moved into each account (maybe a button > for 'use default proxy'). This would be useful for people like me who have a > local jabber server in-house, and would also like to be able to connect to an > internet server. Although currently gaim jabber support does not allow for > different servers which is another thing that needs fixing! <snip> I've got a patch to do this, which is finished and waiting to be merged. If you want, you can grab the latest patch (against cvs) from http://faceprint.com/code/gaim/per-account-proxy.20021113.1818.diff Nathan -- Nathan Walp || fac...@fa... GPG Fingerprint: || http://faceprint.com/ 5509 6EF3 928B 2363 9B2B DA17 3E46 2CDC 492D DB7E |