From: Jeremy W. <jez...@ho...> - 2003-11-13 17:27:24
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>4) There needs to be some coordination with Aldo, perhaps, and he hasn't >responded publicly or privately to any of the email I've sent him regarding >bugs over the last couple years. Or is the community ready to proceed >without Aldo? Did you or anyone get a reply from Aldo about the latest round of emails? Perhaps we should try and move forward somehow. I've just looked through the mailing list and there are several other bug fixes that should be applied to any new build. Then there is the documentation project headed up by Erick Bourgeois (http://jeb.ca/perl/win32-gui-docs/index.pl/home). We just need to get some momentum going... Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? Cheers, jez. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess |
From: Jeremy W. <jez...@ho...> - 2003-11-14 08:53:37
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>>I would be more than willing to bring the files together and serve >>them up on jeb.ca Erick, are you able to generate flat html files which could be included automatically in new builds? >>>3) I'd be willing to incorporate patches into my version, if someone >>>identifies them, and sends me the patches, they aren't too cumbersome to >>>apply, and make the merged binary distribution available. There were a couple of fixes for the splitter control that were mentioned a while back, I'll see if I can dig them out. I've also got a small extension to the datetime control that could go in to. >I created the account and sent you a private note about that. It depends >on how hard it is to learn your process for updating information. I'm >trying to stay heads down on a project to get it done... but for sure after >that I'd be willing to update. I've got some time available to help with documentation, and write a few examples. My back end skills are a bit limited unfortunately. Cheers, jez. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile |
From: Glenn L. <pe...@ne...> - 2003-11-14 20:17:04
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On approximately 11/14/2003 12:53 AM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Jeremy White: >>> I would be more than willing to bring the files together and serve >>> them up on jeb.ca > > > Erick, are you able to generate flat html files which could be included > automatically in new builds? Speaking of flat HTML files, I know that there are a bunch of HTML files that are included with the source distribution that are not included with the binary distribution. Laurent's instructions for making the binary distribution, which worked great overall (Thanks Laurent), include making a few pod2html files and including them in the distribution. I noticed that running pod2html on gui.pm produces an error (no title for GUI.pm) and that the corresponding GUI.html file is rather limited. I've mostly ignored POD in my Perl coding, so I don't have a clue what should be done to fix that... but maybe it isn't necessary since under docs/html there is a GUI.html which is the top logical layer of all the other HTML files in the distribution... so if those other HTML files could be included in the binary distribution in such a way that they appear as part of the ActivePerl documentation tree, that would be a much better solution, perhaps, than fixing the POD in GUI.pm From the way Laurent packaged the other two HTML files in his distribution, it would seem that it is just a matter of copying them to the appropriate subtree under blib\html\lib\Win32 ???? It appears that is set up to allow for one HTML file for each package? Yet GUI.pm hyperlinks to other HTML files... some of which are for subpackages, and some of which are not. How does one handle the ones that are not? If we get more documentation into the distribution, then perhaps Erick could organize his site a little differently, to automatically include the distributed documentation (which it appears a lot of the documentation there is from the source distribution, but then there is more... at least the FAQ and code samples, I haven't compared all he other stuff against what is in the source distribution.) Maybe including documantation for several different releases? Maybe including a list of differences between different releases? I've lost track of the list of differences between 0.0.558 and 0.0.665, for example. I know the (incomplete) NEM was introduced, but what else? >>>> 3) I'd be willing to incorporate patches into my version, if someone >>>> identifies them, and sends me the patches, they aren't too >>>> cumbersome to apply, and make the merged binary distribution available. > > > There were a couple of fixes for the splitter control that were > mentioned a while back, I'll see if I can dig them out. I've also got a > small extension to the datetime control that could go in to. I'd be willing to incorporate these if you can find them and email them to me. -- Glenn -- http://nevcal.com/ =========================== Like almost everyone, I receive a lot of spam every day, much of it offering to help me get out of debt or get rich quick. It's ridiculous. -- Bill Gates And here is why it is ridiculous: The division that includes Windows posted an operating profit of $2.26 billion on revenue of $2.81 billion. --from Reuters via http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031113/tech_microsoft_msn_1.html So that's profit of over 400% of investment... with a bit more investment in Windows technology, particularly in the area of reliability, the profit percentage might go down, but so might the bugs and security problems? Seems like it would be a reasonable tradeoff. WalMart earnings are 3.4% of investment. |
From: Erick B. <er...@je...> - 2003-11-14 20:46:39
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:53:30 +0000, "Jeremy White" <jez...@ho...> said: > >>I would be more than willing to bring the files together and serve > >>them up on jeb.ca > > Erick, are you able to generate flat html files which could be included > automatically in new builds? Jeremy, I seems redundant to create HTML files for the distro and have online ones. I was under the impression that creating this documentation project, we would be seperating the 2 and thus certain people could concentrate on that which they want to contribute. My site actually contains not one single HTML file, it is all stored in a DB, therefore creating the "flat" HTML files would require a little more work. If people really want HTML with the src/binary, then I can arrange something that will suck out all the docs on my site to flat files that could be added to a top level directory in the src/binary package, for example, "docs". Note: I added a "Print this page" image to the top right of the pages. Clicking this image will open up that page minus all the extra stuff, like my logo, the main nav and the crumb trail. These "printable" pages are almost identical to the current documentation Aldo bundles in the src. -- Erick |
From: Frazier, J. J. <Joe.Frazier@Peopleclick.com> - 2003-11-14 13:21:06
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy White [mailto:jez...@ho...] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:54 AM > To: pe...@ne...; er...@je... > Cc: per...@li... > Subject: Re: [perl-win32-gui-users] accelerator keys - now working <cut stuff /> > There were a couple of fixes for the splitter control that=20 > were mentioned a=20 > while back, I'll see if I can dig them out. I've also got a=20 > small extension=20 > to the datetime control that could go in to. What did you do to the datetime? I have need to have a change event on = this control since there is not one natively. I tried using a class, = but was unsure of the functionality and could not get it to work. |
From: Jeremy W. <jez...@ho...> - 2003-11-14 13:25:54
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> > There were a couple of fixes for the splitter control that > > were mentioned a > > while back, I'll see if I can dig them out. I've also got a > > small extension > > to the datetime control that could go in to. > >What did you do to the datetime? I have need to have a change event on >this control since there is not one natively. I tried using a class, but >was unsure of the functionality and could not get it to work. Added (with the help from Laurent Rocher) the ability to set and read the time. Cheers, jez. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband |
From: Jeremy W. <jez...@ho...> - 2003-11-17 10:03:53
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>From: Erick Bourgeois <er...@je...> > > Erick, are you able to generate flat html files which could be included > > automatically in new builds? > >Jeremy, I seems redundant to create HTML files for the distro and have >online ones. >I was under the impression that creating this documentation project, we >would be >seperating the 2 and thus certain people could concentrate on that which >they >want to contribute. It is indeed redundant, but I can see the need for flat file html pages, when new builds are ready for wide spread distribution, through, say Activestate. At some point it would be nice to see win::gui as part of the Activestate core:) Personally, I think the documentation project should become the focal point of win::gui - it is easy to update and add to, and it does a nice job of selling win::gui. Cheers, jez. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile |
From: Glenn L. <pe...@ne...> - 2003-11-13 23:47:03
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On approximately 11/13/2003 9:27 AM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Jeremy White: >> 4) There needs to be some coordination with Aldo, perhaps, and he >> hasn't responded publicly or privately to any of the email I've sent >> him regarding bugs over the last couple years. Or is the community >> ready to proceed without Aldo? > > > Did you or anyone get a reply from Aldo about the latest round of > emails? Not me. I can't speak for "anyone" of course. > Perhaps we should try and move forward somehow. I've just looked > through the mailing list and there are several other bug fixes that > should be applied to any new build. In the short term, 1) I'd be glad to contribute my fixes to anyone that cares, that would be willing to CVS-ize them, and make them generally available. 2) I'd be willing to make available my binary distribution to anyone that wants my fixes (I've called it 0.0.668, since there were 3 fixes applied to 0.0.665), but I'm working on 0.0.669, adding more keys to the legal set of accelerator keys... all keys are legal accelerator keys to Windows, and only a subset were implemented in Win32::GUI. 3) I'd be willing to incorporate patches into my version, if someone identifies them, and sends me the patches, they aren't too cumbersome to apply, and make the merged binary distribution available. > Then there is the documentation > project headed up by Erick Bourgeois > (http://jeb.ca/perl/win32-gui-docs/index.pl/home). We just need to get > some momentum going... Accelerator keys could use more documentation now that I have them working. > Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions? I'm sure everyone has their own hot buttons. I've mostly fixed my known ones, but as I proceed with my current project, I may run into other limitations or bugs. Probably it would be good to produce an error if the -name operand is omitted. And update the documentation to mention that it is required. What is the difference between Aldo, and Waldo ??? Where's Waldo? > Cheers, > > jez. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, > 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest > developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, > WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Perl-Win32-GUI-Users mailing list > Per...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perl-win32-gui-users > > -- Glenn -- http://nevcal.com/ =========================== Like almost everyone, I receive a lot of spam every day, much of it offering to help me get out of debt or get rich quick. It's ridiculous. -- Bill Gates |
From: Erick B. <er...@je...> - 2003-11-14 01:39:32
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:44:08 -0800, Glenn Linderman <pe...@ne...> said: > > Perhaps we should try and move forward somehow. I've just looked > > through the mailing list and there are several other bug fixes that > > should be applied to any new build. > > In the short term, > > 1) I'd be glad to contribute my fixes to anyone that cares, that would > be willing to CVS-ize them, and make them generally available. I would be more than willing to bring the files together and serve them up on jeb.ca > 2) I'd be willing to make available my binary distribution to anyone > that wants my fixes (I've called it 0.0.668, since there were 3 fixes > applied to 0.0.665), but I'm working on 0.0.669, adding more keys to the > legal set of accelerator keys... all keys are legal accelerator keys to > Windows, and only a subset were implemented in Win32::GUI. > > 3) I'd be willing to incorporate patches into my version, if someone > identifies them, and sends me the patches, they aren't too cumbersome to > apply, and make the merged binary distribution available. > > > Then there is the documentation > > project headed up by Erick Bourgeois > > (http://jeb.ca/perl/win32-gui-docs/index.pl/home). We just need to get > > some momentum going... > > Accelerator keys could use more documentation now that I have them working. Glenn, since you have fixed the bugs and are most familar (perhaps) with the code at this point, could you do the editing? Do you mind creating an account with my documentation content manager? This way I could set your priviledge to "Content Manager" and you could make all the changes you want to accelerator keys. -- Erick |
From: Glenn L. <pe...@ne...> - 2003-11-14 03:51:16
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On approximately 11/13/2003 5:38 PM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Erick Bourgeois: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:44:08 -0800, Glenn Linderman <pe...@ne...> said: > > >>>Perhaps we should try and move forward somehow. I've just looked >>>through the mailing list and there are several other bug fixes that >>>should be applied to any new build. >> >>In the short term, >> >>1) I'd be glad to contribute my fixes to anyone that cares, that would >>be willing to CVS-ize them, and make them generally available. > > > I would be more than willing to bring the files together and serve > them up on jeb.ca Not sure whether this includes CVS-ing them? I'm guessing that it doesn't, but would do the other half, of making them generally available. >>2) I'd be willing to make available my binary distribution to anyone >>that wants my fixes (I've called it 0.0.668, since there were 3 fixes >>applied to 0.0.665), but I'm working on 0.0.669, adding more keys to the >>legal set of accelerator keys... all keys are legal accelerator keys to >>Windows, and only a subset were implemented in Win32::GUI. So would you put the .ppd and .tar.gz files up to, in a manner that PPM could use? >>3) I'd be willing to incorporate patches into my version, if someone >>identifies them, and sends me the patches, they aren't too cumbersome to >>apply, and make the merged binary distribution available. >> >> >>>Then there is the documentation >>>project headed up by Erick Bourgeois >>>(http://jeb.ca/perl/win32-gui-docs/index.pl/home). We just need to get >>>some momentum going... >> >>Accelerator keys could use more documentation now that I have them working. > > > Glenn, since you have fixed the bugs and are most familar (perhaps) with the code > at this point, could you do the editing? Do you mind creating an account with my > documentation content manager? This way I could set your priviledge to > "Content Manager" and you could make all the changes you want to accelerator keys. I created the account and sent you a private note about that. It depends on how hard it is to learn your process for updating information. I'm trying to stay heads down on a project to get it done... but for sure after that I'd be willing to update. -- Glenn -- http://nevcal.com/ =========================== Like almost everyone, I receive a lot of spam every day, much of it offering to help me get out of debt or get rich quick. It's ridiculous. -- Bill Gates And here is why it is ridiculous: The division that includes Windows posted an operating profit of $2.26 billion on revenue of $2.81 billion. --from Reuters via http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031113/tech_microsoft_msn_1.html So that's profit of over 400% of revenue... with a bit more investment in Windows technology, particularly in the area of reliability, the percentage gain might go down, but so might the bugs and security problems? Seems like it would be a reasonable tradeoff. WalMart earnings are 3.4% of revenue. |
From: Laurent R. <ro...@cl...> - 2003-11-14 19:08:39
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Hi All, > >>>Perhaps we should try and move forward somehow. I've just looked > >>>through the mailing list and there are several other bug fixes that > >>>should be applied to any new build. > >> > >>In the short term, > >> > >>1) I'd be glad to contribute my fixes to anyone that cares, that would > >>be willing to CVS-ize them, and make them generally available. > > > > I would be more than willing to bring the files together and serve > > them up on jeb.ca > > Not sure whether this includes CVS-ing them? I'm guessing that it > doesn't, but would do the other half, of making them generally available. I'm registered as developper on Win32::GUI SoureForge project. Theoricly, i have CVS access for commit change and tag version (not tested). Aldo say on this mailing-list (7 april 2003 in Re: [perl-win32-gui-users] The status of win32::gui) > > What is the status of win32::gui - is it being actively developed? I emailed > > httptech a couple of days ago and just go lots of undeliverable messages. > yes, it is being actively developed. I'm currently working on the > internals and I expect to have version 1.00 ready for Easter (but > don't hold your breath on it). > > It seems a few people in the last few days (Laurent Rocher and Trevor > > Garside) could actually move the project on if they had access to the site. > > that's perfectly fine for me. please, anybody who want full access to > the project on SourceForge (including CVS, file release, etc.) drop me > a line with your SF username and I'll do it. I'm waiting for new Win32-GUI Aldo's release. But it's possible to fix some bug/miss on current release. So I assume, Aldo agree for use sourceforge CVS to do this. I think it's probably good to : 1) Tag current CVS source as 0.0.558 2) Commit and tag 0.0.665 sources 3) Commit new change over 0.0.665 source code (in a specific branch ?) I'm not a CVS expert so i need to study how to do this. If i can do step 1 and 2. I can merge and apply your (and others) change to CVS. I'm not here this week-end but can start to study this next week. > >>2) I'd be willing to make available my binary distribution to anyone > >>that wants my fixes (I've called it 0.0.668, since there were 3 fixes > >>applied to 0.0.665), but I'm working on 0.0.669, adding more keys to the > >>legal set of accelerator keys... all keys are legal accelerator keys to > >>Windows, and only a subset were implemented in Win32::GUI. > > So would you put the .ppd and .tar.gz files up to, in a manner that PPM > could use? I have a PPM repository set on my Web Site. I can put on it. > >>3) I'd be willing to incorporate patches into my version, if someone > >>identifies them, and sends me the patches, they aren't too cumbersome to > >>apply, and make the merged binary distribution available. I have made some change in 0.0.665 source code for build it for Perl ActiveState with free MinGW compiler. I think it's usefull for people want to build/contribute to Win32::GUI source code without need of Visual C++. Laurent. |