From: John S. <lin...@fr...> - 2007-07-10 13:40:05
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Hello, I'm working on an "embedded" system (it's really just an x86 platform with a 128MB SSD and 256MB RAM). I've observed unusual latencies periodically on some PCI DMA operations. I thought OProfile might help to understand where the unusual latencies come from. kernel = Linux version 2.6.20.7-rt8 CPU = Pentium 3 1267 MHz OProfile v0.9.1 compiled on Jul 31 2005 17:00:33 # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 11 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU - S 1266MHz stepping : 4 cpu MHz : 1266.700 cache size : 512 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse bogomips : 2533.40 clflush size : 32 Problem #1 I didn't know opcontrol was a script, and that it used several binaries that are not available on this system. I copied the following binaries from a "normal" system: basename cut dirname expr mktemp objdump opcontrol ophelp opreport oprofiled seq test tr which Problem #2 I had to force Linux to re-enable the LAPIC because the BIOS insists on disabling it. I don't know how much I can trust that subsystem when the BIOS manufacturer thought he should disable it unconditionally. Extracted from dmesg: Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Found and enabled local APIC! mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) Problem #3 It seems I can only use counter 1. Counter 0 seems AWOL. # ll /dev/oprofile/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 backtrace_depth -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 buffer -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 buffer_size -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 buffer_watershed -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 cpu_buffer_size -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 cpu_type -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:55 dump -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:55 enable -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 pointer_size drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 stats When I want to count two events, e.g. # cat ~/.oprofile/daemonrc CHOSEN_EVENTS[0]=CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:4000000:0:1:1 CHOSEN_EVENTS[1]=ITLB_MISS:123456:0:1:1 NR_CHOSEN=2 SEPARATE_LIB=0 SEPARATE_KERNEL=0 SEPARATE_THREAD=0 SEPARATE_CPU=0 VMLINUX=/root/marc/vmlinux IMAGE_FILTER= CPU_BUF_SIZE=0 CALLGRAPH=0 opcontrol throws the following warnings: + set_ctr_param 0 enabled 1 + test 0 = yes + test yes = yes + echo 1 opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/enabled: No such file or directory + set_ctr_param 0 event 133 + test 0 = yes + test yes = yes + echo 133 opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/event: No such file or directory + let loop_count=1 + for i in '${EVENT_STR}' + test 1 -gt 1 + let loop_count=1+1 + set_ctr_param 0 count 123456 + test 0 = yes + test yes = yes + echo 123456 opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/count: No such file or directory + set_ctr_param 0 kernel 1 + test 0 = yes + test yes = yes + echo 1 opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/kernel: No such file or directory + set_ctr_param 0 user 1 + test 0 = yes + test yes = yes + echo 1 opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/user: No such file or directory + set_ctr_param 0 unit_mask 0 + test 0 = yes + test yes = yes + echo 0 opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/unit_mask: No such file or directory Any idea why I apparently can't use counter 0? "Problem" #4 /var/lib/oprofile/oprofiled.log fills up very fast (~5 MB in 2 minutes) with several different messages. Is this expected when running the daemon in verbose mode? Message #1 Sample {e.g. kern, libc, etc}, app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) # grep -c "app invalid" oprofiled.log 38736 What does this message mean? Regards. |
From: William C. <wc...@re...> - 2007-07-10 20:41:26
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John Sigler wrote: > Hello, > > I'm working on an "embedded" system (it's really just an x86 platform > with a 128MB SSD and 256MB RAM). I've observed unusual latencies > periodically on some PCI DMA operations. I thought OProfile might help > to understand where the unusual latencies come from. You might also look at the latency tracing patches like Ingo Molnar has. http://people.redhat.com/mingo/latency-tracing-patches/ > kernel = Linux version 2.6.20.7-rt8 > CPU = Pentium 3 1267 MHz > OProfile v0.9.1 compiled on Jul 31 2005 17:00:33 > > # cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family : 6 > model : 11 > model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU - S 1266MHz > stepping : 4 > cpu MHz : 1266.700 > cache size : 512 KB > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 2 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse > bogomips : 2533.40 > clflush size : 32 > > > Problem #1 > > I didn't know opcontrol was a script, and that it used several binaries > that are not available on this system. I copied the following binaries > from a "normal" system: > > basename > cut > dirname > expr > mktemp > objdump > opcontrol > ophelp > opreport > oprofiled > seq > test > tr > which > > > Problem #2 > > I had to force Linux to re-enable the LAPIC because the BIOS insists on > disabling it. I don't know how much I can trust that subsystem when the > BIOS manufacturer thought he should disable it unconditionally. > > Extracted from dmesg: > > Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. > Found and enabled local APIC! > mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) > > > Problem #3 > > It seems I can only use counter 1. Counter 0 seems AWOL. I suspect that one of the counters is being used for the watchdog timer. You might try turning off the watchdog timer by appending the arguments passed to the kernel on startup with the following: nmi_watchdog=0 > > # ll /dev/oprofile/ > total 0 > drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 backtrace_depth > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 buffer > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 buffer_size > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 buffer_watershed > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 cpu_buffer_size > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 cpu_type > -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:55 dump > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:55 enable > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 pointer_size > drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jul 10 13:53 stats > > When I want to count two events, e.g. > # cat ~/.oprofile/daemonrc > CHOSEN_EVENTS[0]=CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:4000000:0:1:1 > CHOSEN_EVENTS[1]=ITLB_MISS:123456:0:1:1 > NR_CHOSEN=2 > SEPARATE_LIB=0 > SEPARATE_KERNEL=0 > SEPARATE_THREAD=0 > SEPARATE_CPU=0 > VMLINUX=/root/marc/vmlinux > IMAGE_FILTER= > CPU_BUF_SIZE=0 > CALLGRAPH=0 > > opcontrol throws the following warnings: > > + set_ctr_param 0 enabled 1 > + test 0 = yes > + test yes = yes > + echo 1 > opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/enabled: No such file or directory > + set_ctr_param 0 event 133 > + test 0 = yes > + test yes = yes > + echo 133 > opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/event: No such file or directory > + let loop_count=1 > + for i in '${EVENT_STR}' > + test 1 -gt 1 > + let loop_count=1+1 > + set_ctr_param 0 count 123456 > + test 0 = yes > + test yes = yes > + echo 123456 > opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/count: No such file or directory > + set_ctr_param 0 kernel 1 > + test 0 = yes > + test yes = yes > + echo 1 > opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/kernel: No such file or directory > + set_ctr_param 0 user 1 > + test 0 = yes > + test yes = yes > + echo 1 > opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/user: No such file or directory > + set_ctr_param 0 unit_mask 0 > + test 0 = yes > + test yes = yes > + echo 0 > opcontrol: line 911: /dev/oprofile/0/unit_mask: No such file or directory > > Any idea why I apparently can't use counter 0? > > > "Problem" #4 > > /var/lib/oprofile/oprofiled.log fills up very fast (~5 MB in 2 minutes) > with several different messages. Is this expected when running the > daemon in verbose mode? > > Message #1 > Sample {e.g. kern, libc, etc}, app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) > # grep -c "app invalid" oprofiled.log > 38736 > > What does this message mean? Are any valid samples being generated? Could you give a short snippet (~20 lines) from oprofile.log? -Will |
From: John S. <lin...@fr...> - 2007-07-11 11:24:41
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William Cohen wrote: > John Sigler wrote: > >> Problem #3 >> >> It seems I can only use counter 1. Counter 0 seems AWOL. > > I suspect that one of the counters is being used for the watchdog timer. > You might try turning off the watchdog timer by appending the arguments > passed to the kernel on startup with the following: > > nmi_watchdog=0 Thanks! That did the trick. I thought OProfile could disable the NMI watchdog. Am I mistaken? http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/doc/install.html states: "If you use the NMI watchdog, be aware that the watchdog is disabled when profiling starts, and not re-enabled until the OProfile module is removed (or, in 2.6, when OProfile is not running)." Grepping through linux/Documentation turned up the following info: http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt nmi_watchdog ------------ Enables/Disables the NMI watchdog on x86 systems. When the value is non-zero the NMI watchdog is enabled and will continuously test all online cpus to determine whether or not they are still functioning properly. Because the NMI watchdog shares registers with oprofile, by disabling the NMI watchdog, oprofile may have more registers to utilize. http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt nmi_watchdog= [KNL,BUGS=IA-32] Debugging features for SMP kernels (This info looks obsolete.) http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt nmi_watchdog=NUMBER[,panic] NUMBER can be: 0 don't use an NMI watchdog 1 use the IO-APIC timer for the NMI watchdog 2 use the local APIC for the NMI watchdog using a performance counter. Note This will use one performance counter and the local APIC's performance vector. When panic is specified panic when an NMI watchdog timeout occurs. This is useful when you use a panic=... timeout and need the box quickly up again. (Does this apply to i386 as well?) http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/nmi_watchdog.txt Using local APIC (nmi_watchdog=2) needs the first performance register, so you can't use it for other purposes (such as high precision performance profiling.) However, at least oprofile and the perfctr driver disable the local APIC NMI watchdog automatically. (They also think OProfile can disable the LAPIC NMI watchdog.) To actually enable the NMI watchdog, use the 'nmi_watchdog=N' boot parameter. (Now *that* is confusing.) Regards. |
From: John S. <lin...@fr...> - 2007-07-23 08:28:25
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John Sigler wrote: > William Cohen wrote: > >> John Sigler wrote: >> >>> Problem #3 >>> >>> It seems I can only use counter 1. Counter 0 seems AWOL. >> >> I suspect that one of the counters is being used for the watchdog >> timer. You might try turning off the watchdog timer by appending the >> arguments passed to the kernel on startup with the following: >> >> nmi_watchdog=0 > > Thanks! That did the trick. > > I thought OProfile could disable the NMI watchdog. Am I mistaken? Regards. |
From: John S. <lin...@fr...> - 2007-07-11 15:56:23
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William Cohen wrote: > John Sigler wrote: > >> /var/lib/oprofile/oprofiled.log fills up very fast (~5 MB in 2 >> minutes) with several different messages. Is this expected when >> running the daemon in verbose mode? >> >> Message #1 >> Sample {e.g. kern, libc, etc}, app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) >> # grep -c "app invalid" oprofiled.log >> 38736 >> >> What does this message mean? > > Are any valid samples being generated? Could you give a short snippet > (~20 lines) from oprofile.log? # cat /root/.oprofile/daemonrc CHOSEN_EVENTS[0]=CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:100000:0:1:1 NR_CHOSEN=1 SEPARATE_LIB=0 SEPARATE_KERNEL=0 SEPARATE_THREAD=0 SEPARATE_CPU=0 VMLINUX=/root/marc/vmlinux IMAGE_FILTER= CPU_BUF_SIZE=0 CALLGRAPH=0 (100000 cycles = 79 µs) My /var filesystem is a RAM disk with a 50-MB limit. I ran opcontrol --start --verbose The log file grew to 50 MB in ~30 seconds, and oprofiled died (once it can't write to /var anymore, I suppose). Apparently, oprofiled did capture valid samples: # opreport CPU: PIII, speed 1266.7 MHz (estimated) Counted CPU_CLK_UNHALTED events (clocks processor is not halted) with a unit mask of 0x00 (No unit mask) count 100000 CPU_CLK_UNHALT...| samples| %| ------------------ 303602 90.9323 vmlinux 22772 6.8205 libc-2.3.4.so 3176 0.9512 oprofiled CPU_CLK_UNHALT...| samples| %| ------------------ 2989 94.1121 oprofiled 187 5.8879 anon (tgid:1514 range:0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000) 3106 0.9303 Dta1xx 354 0.1060 check_dektec_input [snip] Most lines in the log are of the "app invalid(ffffffffffffffff)" type. # grep invalid oprofiled.log Sample 0x4f033(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x6597f(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x4259b(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x37843(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x126a3(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x8920(0): /lib/ld-2.3.4.so(cf8e45dc), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x107e4(0): /lib/ld-2.3.4.so(cf8e45dc), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0xca72(0): /lib/ld-2.3.4.so(cf8e45dc), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x2de4(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x7c84(0): /lib/ld-2.3.4.so(cf8e45dc), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x92c5(0): /lib/ld-2.3.4.so(cf8e45dc), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x67a1c(0): /lib/libc-2.3.4.so(cf8e4ec4), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x60c21(0): /lib/libc-2.3.4.so(cf8e4ec4), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x24d8(0): /bin/cat(c13b61b4), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x135b6(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x633c1(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x6f573(0): kern (name /root/marc/vmlinux, 0xc0100000-0xc02852c9), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x21ad1(0): /bin/bash(cfd2a37c), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x1a69e(0): /usr/sbin/sshd(cf800414), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Sample 0x68bb7(0): /lib/libc-2.3.4.so(cf8e4ec4), app invalid(ffffffffffffffff) Yet not all "Sample" lines return "app invalid": (They are all "anon".) # grep -v invalid oprofiled.log | grep ^Sample Sample 0x411(0): anon (tgid 962, 0xb7f72000-0xb7f73000), app /usr/sbin/sshd(cf800414) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x411(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x411(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Sample 0x411(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1516, 0xb7f5b000-0xb7f5c000), app /root/marc/check_dektec_input(cf225a04) Sample 0x402(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Sample 0x410(0): anon (tgid 1514, 0xb7fd4000-0xb7fd5000), app /root/marc/oprofiled(cf77ec64) Regards. |
From: Eduard D. <ed...@gm...> - 2007-07-12 08:08:20
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Hi, I installed OProfile on my Nokia N800. (followin these instructions: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/05/22/oprofile-and-maemo-n800/) Unfortunately I don't get the expected results. I tested it with the following procedure: --- $ opcontrol –start // execute some C++ programm... $ ./a.out $ opcontrol -dump $ opcontrol –shutdown $ opreport -gdf >> out.txt // warning: /no-vmlinux could not be found --- My "/root/.oprofile/daemonrc" looks like this: --- CHOSEN_EVENTS_0=CPU_CYCLES:10000:0:1:1 CHOSEN_EVENTS_1=IFU_IFETCH_MISS:100000:0:1:1 CHOSEN_EVENTS_2=BR_INST_MISS_PRED:100000:0:1:1 NR_CHOSEN=3 SEPARATE_LIB=1 SEPARATE_KERNEL=1 SEPARATE_THREAD=0 SEPARATE_CPU=0 VMLINUX=none IMAGE_FILTER= CPU_BUF_SIZE=0 CALLGRAPH=0 KERNEL_RANGE=c0023000,80046000 XENIMAGE=none --- Well, I want to have a list of all function calls + needed cpu cycles. My generated report looks completely different than those on the OProfile Homepage. Does anyone of you have an idea? |
From: John S. <lin...@fr...> - 2007-07-11 16:51:01
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William Cohen wrote: > John Sigler wrote: > >> I'm working on an "embedded" system (it's really just an x86 platform >> with a 128MB SSD and 256MB RAM). I've observed unusual latencies >> periodically on some PCI DMA operations. I thought OProfile might help >> to understand where the unusual latencies come from. > > You might also look at the latency tracing patches like Ingo Molnar has. > > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/latency-tracing-patches/ I think that patch made it into 2.6.20 (?) The following options are set in my .config: CONFIG_TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT=y # CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set # CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK is not set # CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ is not set # CONFIG_UNUSED_SYMBOLS is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_FS is not set # CONFIG_HEADERS_CHECK is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is not set CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=14 CONFIG_STACKTRACE=y CONFIG_EVENT_TRACE=y CONFIG_FUNCTION_TRACE=y CONFIG_WAKEUP_TIMING=y CONFIG_LATENCY_TRACE=y # CONFIG_CRITICAL_PREEMPT_TIMING is not set # CONFIG_CRITICAL_IRQSOFF_TIMING is not set CONFIG_WAKEUP_LATENCY_HIST=y CONFIG_LATENCY_TIMING=y CONFIG_LATENCY_HIST=y CONFIG_MCOUNT=y CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER=y CONFIG_UNWIND_INFO=y CONFIG_STACK_UNWIND=y CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=y CONFIG_X86_FIND_SMP_CONFIG=y CONFIG_X86_MPPARSE=y CONFIG_DOUBLEFAULT=y But the tools are not obvious. # ./check_dektec_input0 4140064638 0 1316 80 RATE: 38.019115 Mbit/s PERIOD: 276913 ns 632.311669128 386137 ns 642.150123090 376096 ns 642.150299889 164604 ns 652.180122882 376978 ns 652.180298594 165521 ns 700.120871360 449977 ns 700.120975781 88911 ns 718.230122602 373120 ns 718.230302861 170038 ns # cat /proc/latency_trace preemption latency trace v1.1.5 on 2.6.20.7-rt8 -------------------------------------------------------------------- latency: 26 us, #2/2, CPU#0 | (M:rt VP:0, KP:0, SP:1 HP:1) ----------------- | task: softirq-timer/0-4 (uid:0 nice:0 policy:1 rt_prio:50) ----------------- _------=> CPU# / _-----=> irqs-off | / _----=> need-resched || / _---=> hardirq/softirq ||| / _--=> preempt-depth |||| / ||||| delay cmd pid ||||| time | caller \ / ||||| \ | / <...>-4 0D..1 26us : trace_stop_sched_switched (__sched_text_start) vim:ft=help I'll give the CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT mailing list a try. Regards. |
From: William C. <wc...@re...> - 2007-07-10 20:47:43
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John Sigler wrote: > Hello, > > I'm working on an "embedded" system (it's really just an x86 platform > with a 128MB SSD and 256MB RAM). I've observed unusual latencies > periodically on some PCI DMA operations. I thought OProfile might help > to understand where the unusual latencies come from. You might also take a look at http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pubwiki/moin.cgi for additional tools information. -Will |