opencity-development — General discussion about the development of OpenCity

Re: [Opencity-development] graphism directory !

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Thank you for your hard work.

As it was mentioned in "autogen.sh", I don't want to use autotools prior to 
1.7. That's why "-1.7" is there. Let's say it will be removed in the near 
future.


> Hello world,
>
> I have setting up the graphism directory from the graphism/frodrigo
> repository, and done appropriate thing on graphism.conf.in .
>
> Fred.
>
> PS: Neoneurone, I want remove "-1.7" from autogen.sh, what do you thing
> about this ?
>
>

-- 
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

Re: [Opencity-development] Building scale probleme.

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi there,

I think here is the correct scale for buildings:

1 OpenCity / AC3D / OpenGL unit square =3D 2500 meter square

Otherwise, each cell's edge is 50 meters long. I think that a 2500 meter=20
square surface is large enough for a big villa.


Le Lundi 14 Mars 2005 11:30, Frederic Rodrigo a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi all,
>
> I have I scale probleme.
> I used 1 level building is 0.5 OpenGL/AC3D unit. But I not sure of this
> choose. And more over braqoon do small building than mine.
> What scale must be choose ?
>
> Fred.

--=20
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

[Opencity-development] Re: Loader de AC3D avec AC3Dloader113 (du site d'ac3d)

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

Le Lundi 14 Mars 2005 14:17, Duong-Khang NGUYEN a =E9crit :
> Salut Fred,
>
> Le probl=E8me avec le loader n'est pas simple pour plusieurs raisons:
>
> a) Le loader d'AC3D est fait de fa=E7on que tu puisses manipuler chaque
> figure g=E9om=E9trique de fa=E7on ind=E9pendante. Ceci n'est pas le cas d=
'OpenCity
> qui doit consid=E9rer un fichier AC3D comme un objet unique.
Je ne suis pas tout =E0 fais d'accord l=E0, il faudra bien utiliser la stru=
cture=20
de groupe des fichiers ac3d pour faire du Level Of Detail et l'=E9volution =
des=20
b=E2timents.

>
> b) AC3D emploie plusieurs figures g=E9om=E9triques (QUAD, LINE, TRIANGLE
> etc...) au d=E9triment de la performance (rapidit=E9) d'affichage. OpenCi=
ty ne
> peut pas se permettre ce luxe. Actuellement, le loader essaie de tout
> convertir en QUAD. Si tu utilises les LINE ou les POLY, =E7a risque de lui
> poser quelques probl=E8mes.
Je ne m'y connias pas assez en OpenGl, mais il est toujours possible de=20
convertir des POLYs en TRIANGLEs ou QUADs (les LINEs on oublie).

>
> c) La m=E9thode de s=E9lection actuelle d'OpenCity avec double-buffer n'e=
st
> certes pas la meilleure m=E9thode mais c'est la seule convenable =E0 ma
> connaissance pour l'algo de rendering actuel. Je vais tester bient=F4t un
> mode de SELECTION d'OpenGL aussi pour avoir plus de visibilit=E9 dessus.
>
>
> J'ai regard=E9 ton dernier module d'affichage, j'ai compris le principe m=
ais
> j'ai pas compris pourquoi tu veux un truc =E0 part et non pas le bouton
> "test" dans OpenCity que j'ai d=E9j=E0 impl=E9menter. C'est vrai que c'es=
t un peu
> lent pour les tests mais au moins c'est en r=E9el ;)
Je voulais faire 2 choses. Tester des loaders/renders facilement. Et avoir =
un=20
viewer d'ac3d (et c'est pas gagn=E9).
>
> Je vais regarder celui que tu viens de m'envoyer d=E8s que j'ai ma connex=
ion
> ADSL.
>
>
> A +.

Je verais bien une autre relase CVS avec les b=E2timents ;).

A+, Fred.

[Opencity-development] (no subject)

[Duong-Khang N. <neo...@us...>]

Hi ppl,

Currently, I don't have an Internet connection at home, that's why the we=
bsite
and the CVS are not updated as usual. However the work on OpenCity contin=
ues
off-line ;)

Regards.


--
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http://www.opencity.info

[Opencity-development] Building scale probleme.

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

Hi all,

I have I scale probleme.
I used 1 level building is 0.5 OpenGL/AC3D unit. But I not sure of this 
choose. And more over braqoon do small building than mine.
What scale must be choose ?

Fred.

[Opencity-development] graphism directory !

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

Hello world,

I have setting up the graphism directory from the graphism/frodrigo 
repository, and done appropriate thing on graphism.conf.in .

Fred.

PS: Neoneurone, I want remove "-1.7" from autogen.sh, what do you thing about 
this ?

[Opencity-development] AC3D, PNG texture loading work around

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi there,

It seems that the trial version of AC3D comes with a .png texture loading 
plugin. However it was compiled with an old version of libpng. Indeed, the 
plugin tries to load "libpng.so.2". If you have a newever version eg. 
"libpng.so.3" it fails to load the texture in .png format.

A work around for that problem is to create a sym link (as root) to libpng.so 
like this:

cd /usr/lib
ln -s libpng.so libpng.so.2
ldconfig

Note: I have tested this on the latest AC3D trial. (version 5)

-- 
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

[Opencity-development] New installation procedure

[Duong-Khang N. <neo...@us...>]

Hi everyone,

Thanks to the patch sent by Stephen M. Webb, you can install OpenCity from now 
on. The command you should use for that is:

"./autogen.sh && mkdir obj && cd obj && ../configure --enable-debug && make && 
make install"

After installation, all source tree can be deleted safely. To launch OpenCity, 
go to "$HOME/bin/opencity/bin". You don't need to be root to install OpenCity 
because it will be installed into "$HOME/bin/opencity" by default. You can 
overwrite that default path by using:

"../configure --enable-debug --prefix=/my/new/path"

Note1: if OpenCity crashes, or aborts with debug enabled (./configure 
--enable-debug), blame the graphist who is reponsible for the models file, 
not me ;o)

Note2: Current CVS version is highly experimental and contains dirty codes, if 
you think you have discovered an unexpected behaviour please let me know. 
Thank you.

--
Regards.

Re: [Opencity-development] bakery

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi there,

It's not bad. By the way, what is your SourceForge's account ? I'll give =
you=20
the CVS write access to the "graphism" module so that you can publish you=
r=20
models there.

Le Jeudi 24 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 00:19, br...@ne... a =C3=A9crit :
> HI,
>
> as i promissed a new model this time bakery. size 2x2.
>
> regards,
> Braqoon

--=20
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

Re: [Opencity-development] me :)

[Duong-Khang N. <neo...@us...>]

Hi there,

Nothing special to mention. As I had no Internet connection, I work off-l=
ine=20
on OpenCity when I can. If you want to make models feel free to do so. Fo=
r=20
news concerning OpenCity, check the mailing-list, the homepage, the CVS o=
r=20
the project SF's page. Sometime there are new informations around.

Later.



Le Mardi 22 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 13:23, br...@ne... a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi,
>
> sorry for not responding for a while, but i'm back :) can somebody can
> update me about progress ? i started making a second model finaly (no
> time) and as a spoke beofre with Freed, i'm making industrial models. N=
ow
> i will try to make some more in shorten period of time.
>
> Regards
>
> Braqoon
>
>

[Opencity-development] bakery

[<br...@ne...>]

HI,

as i promissed a new model this time bakery. size 2x2.

regards,
Braqoon

[Opencity-development] me :)

[<br...@ne...>]

Hi,

sorry for not responding for a while, but i'm back :) can somebody can
update me about progress ? i started making a second model finaly (no
time) and as a spoke beofre with Freed, i'm making industrial models. Now
i will try to make some more in shorten period of time.

Regards

Braqoon

[Opencity-development] Advise

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

I found a realy interesting web site with lot of pixelart buildings, and lot 
of good idea :
http://www.x-panded.com/pixeldam/pixeldamframe.asp?hid=6

Fred.

Re: [Opencity-development] Splash screen

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

Le Mercredi 09 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 22:42, OpenCity administrator a =C3=A9crit=
 :
> Hi there,
>
> It's not bad. However it looks a bit like the KDE's splash screen ;) Here
> are some comments:
loin de moi cette id=C3=A9e ;)
>
> a) The version (0.0.3) should be smaller than the "OpenCity" word. Try
> something like the third of the OpenCity word font's size.
I not work around the "OpenCity 0.0.3"  text, later.
>
> b) I think that you can draw some buildings quickly with AC3D then put th=
em
> in the background in place of the current background. Or you can render
> some of your buildings together under AC3D then use them as background.
I think of use=20
=2D A different picture by relase
=2D An "animated" building process : like the 3D start building I drawn=20
(http://f.rodrigo.free.fr/tmp/start.in.ac)
>
> c) The icons are not bad. We will use the same loading messaging system as
> KDE if you can draw the colorful version for each of those icons.
Colorful, I not sure, but gray scale maybe. Do you want use icons for other=
=20
things ?
>
> Le Mercredi 9 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 14:15, Frederic Rodrigo a =C3=A9crit :
> > Hi,
> > I have done a splash screen concept.
> > http://f.rodrigo.free.fr/tmp/splash.png
> > Fred
> >
> > (note: background picture is not free)

Re: [Opencity-development] Splash screen

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

Le Mercredi 09 F=E9vrier 2005 14:23, Charles Goodwin a =E9crit :
> On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 14:15 +0100, Frederic Rodrigo wrote:
> > (note: [splash concept] background picture is not free)
>
> Where's it from?  It's pretty cool.

Some where around this page=20
http://browse.deviantart.com/digitalart/pixelart/scenes/?type=3Dbrowse&offs=
et=3D384

=46red.

Re: [Opencity-development] Splash screen

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi there,

It's not bad. However it looks a bit like the KDE's splash screen ;) Here=
 are=20
some comments:

a) The version (0.0.3) should be smaller than the "OpenCity" word. Try=20
something like the third of the OpenCity word font's size.

b) I think that you can draw some buildings quickly with AC3D then put th=
em in=20
the background in place of the current background. Or you can render some=
 of=20
your buildings together under AC3D then use them as background.

c) The icons are not bad. We will use the same loading messaging system a=
s KDE=20
if you can draw the colorful version for each of those icons.



Le Mercredi 9 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 14:15, Frederic Rodrigo a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi,
> I have done a splash screen concept.
> http://f.rodrigo.free.fr/tmp/splash.png
> Fred
>
> (note: background picture is not free)
>

--=20
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

Re: [Opencity-development] Splash screen

[Charles G. <ch...@ve...>]

On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 14:15 +0100, Frederic Rodrigo wrote:
> (note: [splash concept] background picture is not free)

Where's it from?  It's pretty cool.
-- 
- Charlie

Charles Goodwin <ch...@ve...>
Online @ http://vexi.blogspot.com

[Opencity-development] Splash screen

[Frederic R. <f.r...@fr...>]

Hi,
I have done a splash screen concept.
http://f.rodrigo.free.fr/tmp/splash.png
Fred

(note: background picture is not free)

Re: [Opencity-development] Some ideas...

[<br...@ne...>]

Thats not bad idea, but ... :) i will agre with admin what that will
change ?. Other thing that can be a feature later when a all buldings wil=
l
be complete as a base. Later we can add this feature (complete change of
design eg. al'a medieval(setllers) or roman empire (cesar) ect. I know
that need a full range of new 3D objects but that always can be something
new , never aded to the sim of the city before.

regards


> Hi there,
>
>
> The next release (0.0.3beta) won't concern those aspects. I think that
> it's just too soon to talk about the historical and chronological thing=
s.
> If you
> want to help, I suggest that you download the "OpenCity_Design.sxw"
> document.
>
>
> Read it.
>
>
>
> Then, write a similar .sxw document about the features you want to see =
in
> next OpenCity release. Any rule you want must be _written_ in the first
> step. In the second step, write pseudo-code for rules. Think well about
> how your new features can interact with each others. Upload your draft
> from time to time for review and comments.
>
>
> Le Samedi 5 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 00:36, Stephen M. Webb a =C3=A9crit :
>
>> One of the problems I've always had with city growth simulation games
>> is the lack of historic technological progression, something that has
>> affected all real cities (for example, transportation modes and how th=
ey
>> affected growth patterns).
>>
>> How would you feel about implementing something like that in OpenCity?
>>
>>
>> I'm thinking something like having various rulesets (and graphics sets=
)
>> for different "ages", and new technologies become available as a new
>> "age"
>> dawns.  Eg, horse+cart -> rail+tram -> car+freeway.  City walls ->
>> suburbs. Etc.
>>
>>
>> It would add a soupcon of realism to city growth.
>>
>>
>> I can help with programming if you need it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> smw
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Regards,
> OpenCity administrator.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Opencity-development] Some ideas...

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi there,

The next release (0.0.3beta) won't concern those aspects. I think that it=
's=20
just too soon to talk about the historical and chronological things. If y=
ou=20
want to help, I suggest that you download the "OpenCity_Design.sxw" docum=
ent.


Read it.=20


Then, write a similar .sxw document about the features you want to see in=
 next=20
OpenCity release. Any rule you want must be _written_ in the first step. =
In=20
the second step, write pseudo-code for rules. Think well about how your n=
ew=20
features can interact with each others. Upload your draft from time to ti=
me=20
for review and comments.


Le Samedi 5 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 00:36, Stephen M. Webb a =C3=A9crit :
> One of the problems I've always had with city growth simulation games i=
s
> the lack of historic technological progression, something that has affe=
cted
> all real cities (for example, transportation modes and how they affecte=
d
> growth patterns).
>
> How would you feel about implementing something like that in OpenCity?
>
> I'm thinking something like having various rulesets (and graphics sets)=
 for
> different "ages", and new technologies become available as a new "age"
> dawns.  Eg, horse+cart -> rail+tram -> car+freeway.  City walls -> subu=
rbs.
> Etc.
>
> It would add a soupcon of realism to city growth.
>
> I can help with programming if you need it.
>
> --
> smw
>
>
>

--=20
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

[Opencity-development] Some ideas...

[Stephen M. W. <br...@in...>]

One of the problems I've always had with city growth simulation games is the
lack of historic technological progression, something that has affected all
real cities (for example, transportation modes and how they affected growth
patterns).

How would you feel about implementing something like that in OpenCity?

I'm thinking something like having various rulesets (and graphics sets) for
different "ages", and new technologies become available as a new "age"
dawns.  Eg, horse+cart -> rail+tram -> car+freeway.  City walls -> suburbs.
Etc.

It would add a soupcon of realism to city growth.

I can help with programming if you need it.

--
smw

Re: [Opencity-development] Warehouse model

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi there,

If you have a SF account, I will give you a CVS access to the "graphism"=20
module so that you can commit your works there. You and frodrigo will wor=
k=20
together. By the way, frodrigo will be lead graphist and responsible for=20
graphism. If you have any further questions concerning graphism, just ask=
 him=20
or post it to the mailing-list.

Le Vendredi 4 F=C3=A9vrier 2005 18:37, br...@ne... a =C3=A9crit :
> i spoke with Freed and i have his models. I will fix my warehouse. :)
>
> now i don't hame any space in internet so that why i'm sending model th=
ru
> e-mail.
>
> regards
>

--=20
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

Re: [Opencity-development] Warehouse model

[<br...@ne...>]

i spoke with Freed and i have his models. I will fix my warehouse. :)

now i don't hame any space in internet so that why i'm sending model thru
e-mail.

regards


> Good job !
>
>
> The textured warehouse look great. However its size is not correct. In
> fact, except the height, its width and length must be integer. Currently,
> the .conf file said:
>
> width=2 length=4
>
> But in fact, in the .ac file, the model's size is
>
>
> width=1 length=1.5  <-- float value is invalid
>
> The +Ox axis is considered as width, wheras the +Oz axis is considered as
>  length. The +Oy is considered as height and height can be float.
>
> Please modify those properties and send the URL of your model to the
> mailing list (not the bz file, but again, the URL) so that people who want
> to see it can download it.
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I'm sending my model (i think finished). If any thing is wrong please
>> tell me. i hope that i did all the textures and model in order. (ready
>> screen as attachment).
>>
>> Olso,
>> I finaly had some time to run cvs version of a game. (sorry if that
>> subject was already closed) what i saw on the very begining is a very
>> long loading of a game. Not that i'm complaning but at least while all
>> files are loading in background, can we put a loading screen in a black
>> window ? (my propose in attachment). That inform a player that
>> everything is ok, just loading files. Whitout that i was confused :).
>> (my computer Athlon
>> 900Mhz 256 SDRAM)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Braqoon
>>
>>
>> ps. what is a use of this irc chanel when nobody is there ? i was a few
>>  times and or somene is away or nobody is there.
>
>
>
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> OpenCity administrator.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Opencity-development] Warehouse model

[OpenCity a. <ad...@op...>]

Hi,

There are the splash screen codes and graphics already in the CVS. They were 
commited about 2 weeks ago... The current splash screen displays some funny 
messages but I don't think that the end user is interested about "OpenCity 
loading road_s_w.ocm in progress...".

Sometimes people left their IRC account in the channel but that doesn't mean 
they are there. I think that you should stay around in the channel if you 
have an unlimited connection. We don't use IRC like any other instant message 
system. If you want to talk with someone in the channel, try to specify his 
(or her ?;) ) nick in your message.

Later.
>
> > Olso,
> > I finaly had some time to run cvs version of a game. (sorry if that
> > subject was already closed) what i saw on the very begining is a very
> > long loading of a game. Not that i'm complaning but at least while all
> > files are loading in background, can we put a loading screen in a black
> > window ? (my propose in attachment). That inform a player that everything
> > is ok, just loading files. Whitout that i was confused :). (my computer
> > Athlon 900Mhz 256 SDRAM)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Braqoon
> >
> > ps. what is a use of this irc chanel when nobody is there ? i was a few
> > times and or somene is away or nobody is there.

-- 
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.

[Opencity-development] Warehouse model

[<br...@ne...>]

Good job !

The textured warehouse look great. However its size is not correct. In fact, 
except the height, its width and length must be integer. Currently, the .conf 
file said:

width=2
length=4

But in fact, in the .ac file, the model's size is

width=1
length=1.5  <-- float value is invalid

The +Ox axis is considered as width, wheras the +Oz axis is considered as 
length. The +Oy is considered as height and height can be float.

Please modify those properties and send the URL of your model to the mailing 
list (not the bz file, but again, the URL) so that people who want to see it 
can download it.



> Hi,
> 
> I'm sending my model (i think finished). If any thing is wrong please tell
> me. i hope that i did all the textures and model in order. (ready screen
> as attachment).
> 
> Olso,
> I finaly had some time to run cvs version of a game. (sorry if that
> subject was already closed) what i saw on the very begining is a very long
> loading of a game. Not that i'm complaning but at least while all files
> are loading in background, can we put a loading screen in a black window ?
> (my propose in attachment). That inform a player that everything is ok,
> just loading files. Whitout that i was confused :). (my computer Athlon
> 900Mhz 256 SDRAM)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Braqoon
> 
> ps. what is a use of this irc chanel when nobody is there ? i was a few
> times and or somene is away or nobody is there.



-- 
Regards,
OpenCity administrator.