From: Kevin O. <ko...@ho...> - 2001-09-29 14:13:23
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Was there a post a few weeks ago that mentioned that searching the archives for posts made in 2001 was broken? And if so: Is there anyway to search them? And why I'm looking, can someone repost the list of Audrey sites. I took a quick browse before, but from the 1-4 unit orders I'm seeing this group making, it sounds like a should take another look. Thanks, Kevin |
From: Ron K. <ro...@za...> - 2001-09-29 15:29:42
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Surf to: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl And look at the 3Com Audrey Forum. Lots of info there about Audrey (and other interesting appls)... Alot of makers of other Audrey sites gather there too. Ron. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Olalde" <ko...@ho...> To: <mis...@li...> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: [misterhouse-users] archive search > Was there a post a few weeks ago that mentioned that searching the archives for > posts made in 2001 was broken? And if so: > > Is there anyway to search them? > > And why I'm looking, can someone repost the list of Audrey sites. I took a > quick browse before, but from the 1-4 unit orders I'm seeing this group making, > it sounds like a should take another look. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > |
From: Bruce W. <br...@mi...> - 2001-09-29 17:00:43
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> Was there a post a few weeks ago that mentioned that searching > the archives for posts made in 2001 was broken? And if so: > > Is there anyway to search them? Unfortunately, the 2001 archive search is still broken. Here is a post I found when I did a google search on 'sourceforge mailing list 2001 geocrawler archive broken' ---- A1. The search function on the Geocrawler mailing list archive site is indeed broken. I\'ve submitted many support requests to both Geocrawler and SourceForge. The only answer I get from them is that \'Yes\' it is broken and they are researching the problem. Posted by:Jim McQuillan <ja...@lt...> Tue Jul 31 21:33:24 2001 ;Date Updated:01-08-01 12:12:54 (#3) Due to a SourceForge/Geocrawler problem, there is no mailing list archive for 2001. ---- So until if and when it gets fixed, we are on our own. Anyone know of any archiving/searching services we can subscribe out list to? Seems like I have seen one before, but I can not recall it now. I have all the messages here, but only in an Outlook folder. Bruce |
From: Rob W. <ro...@my...> - 2001-09-29 17:45:55
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>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:00:38 -0500, "Bruce Winter" >>>>> <br...@mi...> said: Bruce> ---- Bruce> A1. The search function on the Geocrawler mailing list archive site Bruce> is indeed broken. I\'ve submitted many support requests to both Geocrawler Bruce> and SourceForge. Bruce> The only answer I get from them is that \'Yes\' it is broken and they are Bruce> researching the problem. Bruce> Posted by:Jim McQuillan <ja...@lt...> Tue Jul 31 21:33:24 2001 Bruce> ;Date Updated:01-08-01 12:12:54 (#3) Bruce> Due to a SourceForge/Geocrawler problem, there is no mailing list archive Bruce> for 2001. Bruce> ---- Bruce> So until if and when it gets fixed, we are on our own. Anyone I suggest each person, as they try to do a search, open a high priority bug report on sourceforge. If it is improperly dealt with, take it to slashdot. They are serving hundreds (thousands?) of mailing lists, and to not have searching ready is an amazing breach of trust. Bruce> know of any archiving/searching services we can subscribe out Bruce> list to? Seems like I have seen one before, but I can not Bruce> recall it now. I believe that groups.yahoo.com can do the archiving for you. Just set your list as archive only, and don't do any of the other mailing list things there. rob |
From: Bruce W. <br...@mi...> - 2001-09-30 22:58:57
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> Bruce> know of any archiving/searching services we can subscribe out > Bruce> list to? Seems like I have seen one before, but I can not > Bruce> recall it now. > > I believe that groups.yahoo.com can do the archiving for you. Just > set your list as archive only, and don't do any of the other mailing > list things there. Looks like groups.yahoo.com will do the trick! Turns out, we still have a misterhouse group over there from when Yahoo bought out OneList. I've set the yahoo list up to 'enable remote group', so now all sourceforge posts go there also. But I didn't see the 'archive only' option under Settings. Is 'remote group' what you were thinking of? Looks like that still forwards all posts to the subscriber list. If I can not turn off the mailing list, I guess I'll just unsubscribe all 200+ members on that list. Attached is a note I just sent out to those subscribers. Bruce ----- I just forwarded about 20 older messages from the MisterHouse sourceforge mailing list to the Yahoo (used to be OneList) mailing list. I had thought I could do it without forwarding all the messages onto you guys, but I guess not. I would like to keep the SourceForge list as the active list, but use the Yahoo list for archiving (since the Sourceforge archive is broken for 2001). So, my plan is to unsubscribe all 200+ members from this list, then forward all the messages from the sourceforge list since Jan 2000 when we shut down this list (about 6000 messages). I just wrote a perl script to access messages from my Outlook folders ... should work if Yahoo doesn't limit things. Any objections or other suggestions? If not, I'll plan on doing this later this week. Bruce |
From: Rob W. <ro...@my...> - 2001-10-01 04:00:14
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>>>>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:58:48 -0500, "Bruce Winter" >>>>> <br...@mi...> said: Bruce> know of any archiving/searching services we can subscribe out Bruce> list to? Seems like I have seen one before, but I can not Bruce> recall it now. >> >> I believe that groups.yahoo.com can do the archiving for you. Just >> set your list as archive only, and don't do any of the other mailing >> list things there. Bruce> I've set the yahoo list up to 'enable remote group', so now all Bruce> sourceforge posts go there also. But I didn't see the 'archive Bruce> only' option under Settings. Is 'remote group' what you were Bruce> thinking of? Looks like that still forwards all posts to the Bruce> subscriber list. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Bruce> If I can not turn off the mailing list, I guess I'll just Bruce> unsubscribe all 200+ members on that list. Attached is a note Bruce> I just sent out to those subscribers. The note looks very helpful, but I think I would add a link to it showing them how they can subscribe to the sourceforge list. You know, the more that I think about it, I can't think of any reason I would use a sourceforge list at all. What benefits do they have which offset 1. no search and 2. no archive and 3. no fixing these problems for a LONG time. ?? rob |
From: Paul C. <ti...@ti...> - 2001-10-01 06:10:01
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Rob Walker wrote: > You know, the more that I think about it, I can't think of any reason > I would use a sourceforge list at all. What benefits do they have > which offset 1. no search and 2. no archive and 3. no fixing these > problems for a LONG time. ?? Uhm, no advertisements? I'm on another list at yahoo, and half of the mail is frequently an advertisement. And I think they put it at the TOP of the mail unless you pay them money. -- Paul Chamberlain, ti...@ti... |
From: Rob W. <ro...@my...> - 2001-10-01 15:32:40
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>>>>> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 01:10:19 -0500, Paul Chamberlain >>>>> <ti...@ti...> said: Paul> Rob Walker wrote: >> You know, the more that I think about it, I can't think of any reason >> I would use a sourceforge list at all. What benefits do they have >> which offset 1. no search and 2. no archive and 3. no fixing these >> problems for a LONG time. ?? Paul> Uhm, no advertisements? I'm on another list at yahoo, and half Paul> of the mail is frequently an advertisement. And I think they Paul> put it at the TOP of the mail unless you pay them money. wow, I didn't realize that. I only read the lists that I read there (about 10 of them) via the archives. As you can see from this URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YAESUVX5/message/12186 there are no advertisements in the archives. I guess they put them in the email to their users, then. Thanks for the heads-up. rob |
From: Paul C. <ti...@ti...> - 2001-10-01 18:20:52
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Rob Walker wrote: > Paul> Rob Walker wrote: > >> You know, the more that I think about it, I can't think of any reason > >> I would use a sourceforge list at all. > Paul> Uhm, no advertisements? I'm on another list at yahoo, and half > Paul> of the mail is frequently an advertisement. > there are no advertisements in the archives. > I guess they put them in the email to their users, then. Heh, never noticed that they took them out of the archives. I think they also take them out of replies. I may have exaggerated a bit about the size of the ad, but here is a sample from a message I just got: ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://I'm-not-gonna-advertise-for-them/ySSFAA/PMYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> As I said, I think this goes ON TOP of the message unless you pay money for the service. At the bottom it has a list-specific info block followed by a disclaimer. The list I subscribe to (cable) has a 6-line info block, so all together that's about 13 lines of crud plus some blank lines. I'm kind of obsessed about that kind of thing, so it's a constant frustration. -- Paul Chamberlain, ti...@ti... |
From: Rob W. <ro...@my...> - 2001-10-01 20:48:30
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>>>>> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:21:08 -0500, Paul Chamberlain >>>>> <ti...@ti...> said: Paul> Heh, never noticed that they took them out of the archives. I Paul> think they also take them out of replies. I may have Paul> exaggerated a bit about the size of the ad, but here is a sample Paul> from a message I just got: <snip> hrmm... I guess that's a good reason to not use them, then. Unless..... (and I _know_ no one would actually do this, just a crazy idea) One could subscribe all of the addresses to the yahoo groups list as shadow addresses through another provider, which would strip out the ads before sending them on through. An example. You create the 'reelkool' list at yahoo groups. You and I want to subscribe to that list. Now, to begin with, you would be subscribed with "ti...@ti..." and I would be subscribed with "ro...@my...". We would be hit with advertisements. yuk. So the list admin would change our subscriptions to the 'reelkool' list to be "tif...@my..." and "rob...@my...", respectively. Then, an application could be set up behind all *AT*VIA* addresses at myinternetplace.net which would do The Right Thing (tm). Paul> As I said, I think this goes ON TOP of the message unless you pay Paul> money for the service. At the bottom it has a list-specific info Paul> block followed by a disclaimer. The list I subscribe to (cable) Paul> has a 6-line info block, so all together that's about 13 lines of Paul> crud plus some blank lines. I'm kind of obsessed about that kind Paul> of thing, so it's a constant frustration. agreed, it sux. rob |
From: Ray D. <rd...@so...> - 2001-10-02 02:19:29
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I just started using internet_connect_check.pl to monitor my DSL connection which always seems to want to die at about 5 minutes after I go to bed and 5 minutes after I leave for work in the morning. I have added: elsif (++$Save{ping_test_count} == 3) { speak 'rooms=all The D S L connection is down! I will now cycle power to the modem and try the connection again.'; display 'The DSL is down', 0; logit "$config_parms{data_dir}/logs/internet_down.log", "Net down"; set $dsl_modem OFF; set $dsl_modem ON; } The problem is that the "set $dsl_modem ON;" doesn't seem to fire properly sometimes. I am assuming it is a timing issues with the 2 X10 commands being issued rapid-fire. Is there a way to add a 10-15 second delay? Or do I have to use a full minute delay like "if (time_now "$time_now + 0:01") set $dsl_modem ON;"? The other thing is that even if the first time the conect misses, it doesn't re-trigger the ON again after it checks again 3 times and sees the internet down. Do I need to clear the counter at the end of the 3 count with $Save{ping_test_count} = 0; Thanks! |
From: David N. <jud...@gt...> - 2001-10-02 17:27:03
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This should add a 30 delay between the off and on commands: set $dsl_modem OFF; my $t = new Timer; set $t 30, 'set $dsl_modem ON'; David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Dzek" <rd...@so...> To: <mis...@li...> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: [misterhouse-users] internet_connect_check.pl > I just started using internet_connect_check.pl to monitor my DSL connection > which always seems to want to die at about 5 minutes after I go to bed and 5 > minutes after I leave for work in the morning. I have added: > > elsif (++$Save{ping_test_count} == 3) { > > speak 'rooms=all The D S L connection is down! I will now cycle power to the > modem and try the connection again.'; > > display 'The DSL is down', 0; > > logit "$config_parms{data_dir}/logs/internet_down.log", "Net down"; > > set $dsl_modem OFF; > > set $dsl_modem ON; > > } > > The problem is that the "set $dsl_modem ON;" doesn't seem to fire properly > sometimes. I am assuming it is a timing issues with the 2 X10 commands > being issued rapid-fire. Is there a way to add a 10-15 second delay? Or do > I have to use a full minute delay like "if (time_now "$time_now + 0:01") set > $dsl_modem ON;"? > > The other thing is that even if the first time the conect misses, it doesn't > re-trigger the ON again after it checks again 3 times and sees the internet > down. Do I need to clear the counter at the end of the 3 count with > $Save{ping_test_count} = 0; > > > > Thanks! > > > > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > |
From: Paul C. <ti...@ti...> - 2001-10-02 21:21:16
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This has nothing to do with you David, or even the discussion that you were having.... but I just want to voice my opinion, maybe commiserate with those that feel the same, maybe stage a revolution. :-) David Norwood wrote: > set $dsl_modem OFF; I think it's clever how this syntax reads as english, but it's a bit disturbing when I try to look at the OO implementation and what's really going on. This next statement though makes it even more compelling to me to abandon this syntax: > set $t 30, 'set $dsl_modem ON'; Is it just me, or is this really tough to read and understand? My brain-based perl-parser looks at the first word and sees a bare unreserved word (is it unreserved? "set" is even a strange choice because it SOUNDS reserved) and doesn't know what to think of it. If it were written as $t->set(30, '$dsl_modem->set(ON)'); Then my brain immediately recognizes the first part of this as a variable reference, so it must either be an assignment or a method call. Is anybody with me here or do I have to adjust my brain to this syntax? BTW, this "reply to all" thing sucks. -- Paul Chamberlain, ti...@ti... |
From: Bruce W. <br...@mi...> - 2001-10-03 01:32:48
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> I think it's clever how this syntax reads as english, > but it's a bit disturbing when I try to look at the > OO implementation and what's really going on. This > next statement though makes it even more compelling > to me to abandon this syntax: > > > set $t 30, 'set $dsl_modem ON'; > > Is it just me, or is this really tough to read and > understand? My brain-based perl-parser looks at the > first word and sees a bare unreserved word (is it > unreserved? "set" is even a strange choice because > it SOUNDS reserved) and doesn't know what to think > of it. If it were written as > > $t->set(30, '$dsl_modem->set(ON)'); Yep, set is not used in the base Perl language. David's original example is written in something called 'indirect object form', whereas your example is the classic object oriented form. Perl allows for either form. I'd have to agree with you, when there is more than one argument to pass to the method, the 2nd form is usually more clear. But with just one argument, I like the 1st form because it uses less punctuation, and it reads like english. What could be more simple than: set $light ON Bruce |
From: Bruce W. <br...@mi...> - 2001-10-06 04:20:18
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> > Bruce> know of any archiving/searching services we can subscribe out > > Bruce> list to? Seems like I have seen one before, but I can not > > Bruce> recall it now. > > > > I believe that groups.yahoo.com can do the archiving for you. Just > > set your list as archive only, and don't do any of the other mailing > > list things there. > > Looks like groups.yahoo.com will do the trick! Turns out, we still have a > misterhouse group over there from when Yahoo bought out OneList. I just finished forwarding all the misterhouse-users posts from Jan. 2000 (6000 of them!) to the Yahoo groups list. Looks like the search works great over there, as well as a view-by-thread option. All those old messages have dates from the last few dates, but I prefixed the body of the note with the original date. Future posts will be echoed there with the correct dates. Bruce |